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4 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75f0002m/75f0002m2023004-eng.htm

 

Goes from 2018 to 2021 so pandemic is included.  Two separate reports indicating homeless percentages (including hidden homelessness) declined slightly during that time period.

 

So so far the evidence is AGAINST what Wiggums is saying. Homelessness did not go up due to the covid restrictions. If anything it went down.

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2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

So so far the evidence is AGAINST what Wiggums is saying. Homelessness did not go up due to the covid restrictions. If anything it went down.

I think we found out why he didn't want to provide a source.  The facts don't support his feelings.

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8 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

So so far the evidence is AGAINST what Wiggums is saying. Homelessness did not go up due to Covid. If anything it went down.

 

So you guys or someone is trying to tell me that inflation and increased cost of living has actually helped the homeless problem?  What...the....heck?   Crazy stuff

 

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/unhoused

 

44 percent increase in Quebec

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2023/10/6/1_6591716.amp.html

 

32% increase since 2020

 

 

Estimated 83% increase by 2030 for all of Canada 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/here-s-how-many-people-will-be-at-risk-of-homelessness-by-2030-according-to-this-ai-1.6672410

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7042041

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

So you guys or someone is trying to tell me that inflation and increased cost of living has actually helped the homeless problem?  What...the....heck?   Crazy stuff

 

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/unhoused

 

44 percent increase in Quebec

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2023/10/6/1_6591716.amp.html

 

32% increase since 2020

 

 

Estimated 83% increase by 2030 for all of Canada 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/here-s-how-many-people-will-be-at-risk-of-homelessness-by-2030-according-to-this-ai-1.6672410

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7042041

 

 

 

You are pointing out problems that everyone already knows we have.

 

What do you think caused them?

 

EDIT - It just struck me it would probably be best for both of us if you didn't respond. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

So you guys or someone is trying to tell me that inflation and increased cost of living has actually helped the homeless problem?  What...the....heck?   Crazy stuff

 

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/unhoused

 

44 percent increase in Quebec

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2023/10/6/1_6591716.amp.html

 

32% increase since 2020

 

 

Estimated 83% increase by 2030 for all of Canada 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/here-s-how-many-people-will-be-at-risk-of-homelessness-by-2030-according-to-this-ai-1.6672410

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7042041

 

 

Okay, you've provided some links. We're making progress here. The real question now is can we link those links to actual covid restrictions or is it just because of the pandemic as a whole?

 

So these links show an increase in homeless but doesn't show why that is. This increase also appears to be AFTER the restrictions. This is important to keep in mind. Some people could have lost a business and become homeless that way. Some people could have also become homeless for other reasons. We don't know the percentage of homeless who wouldn't be homeless has there have been no restrictions.

 

If you want other reasons for homelessness, think Ukraine and the effects that has had on food prices. Think about the sources of inflation. Sure Covid would cause some inflation in all likelihood, but there would be more factors at play since you're talking a continue increase in homelessness until 2030. That increase will NOT be because of the covid restrictions as those are done, so other factors have to be at play.

 

Again, thank you for at least providing some links. The question of connecting that recent homelessness is still up for debate, but at least you have proven homelessness increases after Covid, just not necessarily because of the restrictions.

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TL;DR: Innovative Halfway House Program for Opioid Crisis and Mental Health


Overview:


In response to debates on Canada's safe supply policy, this program offers a comprehensive solution for addiction and mental health challenges. It combines recovery support with life skill development and community integration.

 

Key Features:
6-week cycles in major cities, housing 50 residents each cycle.
Focus: Self-sufficiency, employment training, and therapeutic activities in a family-like setting.
Funding: A mix of federal and local government support, transitioning to private sector involvement.


Impact:
Residents: Provides a structured path to recovery, skill-building, and employment.
Community & Healthcare: Aims to reduce healthcare burdens, support public welfare, and ease hospital pressures.
Costs: Estimated facility setup at 1,000,000 - 6,000,000 CAD, with operational costs including staff salaries.


Aim:
To offer a more holistic approach than current safe supply policies, addressing not just immediate health needs but also long-term recovery and societal reintegration.

 

 

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Detailed Functioning of Hypothetical Halfway House Program for addiction/mental illness affected individuals
Overview


This comprehensive halfway house program, situated in major Canadian cities, is designed to support individuals recovering from addiction/mental illness through a unique model that emphasizes self-sufficiency, community integration, and work experience. This 1000-word description outlines how residents (sponsees) contribute to the house's functioning and the employment opportunities available to them.


Program Structure
The program operates in 6-week cycles, accommodating 50 sponsees per cycle. It is structured to provide a balance between structured living, therapeutic activities, skill development, and work opportunities.
Sponsee Contributions to House Functioning


Daily Chores and Responsibilities:
Each sponsee is assigned a mandatory daily chore, such as cooking assistance, cleaning, gardening, or maintenance tasks.
These chores are integral to the house's upkeep and foster a sense of responsibility and community among the residents.


Skill Development Workshops:
Regular workshops focus on essential life skills, including financial management, cooking, health and wellness, and communication skills.
Sponsees are encouraged to apply these skills within the house environment, contributing to a holistic and supportive community.


Peer Support and Mentorship:
More experienced residents are encouraged to mentor newcomers, fostering a supportive peer network.
This mentorship cultivates leadership skills and strengthens the communal bond within the house.
Employment and Training Opportunities


Temporary Work Contracts:
In collaboration with local government and businesses, the program offers temporary work contracts in areas such as landscaping, beautification, janitorial services, and cafeteria duties.
These contracts are specifically designed for sponsees, providing them with real-world work experience and a structured routine.


On-Site Employment Office:
The nearby employment office assists sponsees in finding suitable work placements, both within the program and in the wider community.
It provides resources for job search, resume building, interview preparation, and career counseling.


Educational and Vocational Training:
Partnerships with educational institutions and vocational training centers offer opportunities for sponsees to gain certifications and new skills.
This training is aimed at enhancing employability post-recovery.


Transition to Full-Time Employment:
As sponsees progress through the program, they are supported in transitioning to full-time employment.
Success in temporary contracts can lead to recommendations and references for external job opportunities.


How the Work Model Functions


Daily Sign-Ups for Chores and Work:
Each day, sponsees sign up for their preferred chores and work contracts, allowing them to have a say in their daily activities.
This system ensures equitable distribution of tasks and allows sponsees to explore different types of work.


Earnings and Savings Plan:
Sponsees earn a stipend for their work on temporary contracts, part of which is saved for them and provided upon program completion to aid in their transition.
This model not only offers financial compensation but also teaches the value of saving and financial planning.


Feedback and Performance Reviews:
Regular feedback sessions and performance reviews help sponsees understand their strengths and areas for improvement.
This feedback is crucial for personal and professional development.


Integration with Recovery Goals:
Work opportunities and chores are integrated with each sponsee’s recovery goals. Staff ensure that workloads are manageable and do not impede recovery progress.
The balance between work, therapy, and leisure is carefully maintained.


Community Benefits and Integration
Public Service and Community Projects:
Sponsees engage in community projects, contributing to public spaces' beautification and maintenance.
These activities foster a sense of giving back and help rebuild community ties.


Local Business Partnerships:
Collaborations with local businesses provide sponsees with diverse work experiences and strengthen community bonds.
Businesses benefit from the motivated workforce and contribute to the social cause.


Challenges and Mitigation


Balancing Work and Recovery:
The program prioritizes recovery, ensuring that work responsibilities do not overwhelm the sponsees.
Regular check-ins and adjustments to work assignments are made based on individual recovery progress.


Ensuring Continued Funding and Support:
The program seeks sustained funding through government partnerships and private sector involvement, ensuring its long-term viability.
Transparency in operations and demonstrated success are key to securing ongoing support.


Funding Model:
Partnership: A 50/50 partnership between federal and local governments, with an initial 70/30 split in favor of federal contributions.
Transition to Private Sector: Gradual shift towards private sector involvement as the program demonstrates success.
Redistribution of Funds: A portion of funds from government safe supply programs and savings from reduced opioid costs are reallocated to support this initiative.


Startup Costs (Including Land Acquisition):


Facility and Land Acquisition: Estimated at 1,000,000 - 6,000,000 CAD, varying by location.
Furnishings, Equipment, and Supplies: Approximately 105,000 - 220,000 CAD.
Vehicle Lease and Operations: 1,000 - 1,500 CAD monthly per van.
Staffing and Operational Costs: 1.22 - 1.56 million CAD annually, including benefits and overheads.


Program Benefits:


For Residents:
Comprehensive Recovery Support: Offers counseling, skill-building, and a structured environment for recovery.
Employment and Education Opportunities: Access to training, job placements, and educational programs.
Financial Stability: Potential to earn and save money through government-operated work contracts.


For the Community:
Reduced Substance Abuse: Contributes to lower rates of substance abuse and related health issues.
Economic and Social Benefits: Creates local jobs and reduces healthcare costs related to addiction.
Enhanced Public Spaces: Residents contribute to community projects, improving local areas.


For Governments:
Cost-Effective Long-Term Investment: Potential for significant savings in healthcare and social services.
Successful Social Reintegration: Aims to lower recidivism in substance abuse and promote stable community integration.
Potential Challenges:


Securing and Sustaining Funding: Ensuring ongoing financial support, especially with the transition of funding sources.
Management of Extensive Resources: Coordinating land acquisition, facility construction, and program implementation.
Balancing Program and Community Needs: Integrating the program into communities while managing various stakeholders' interests.
Adaptability and Responsiveness: Keeping the program effective and relevant to changing societal and participant needs.


Conclusion:
The hypothetical halfway house program, with its comprehensive approach and innovative funding model, presents a significant opportunity to address substance abuse recovery in major Canadian cities. The program's design, emphasizing land ownership and self-sustainability, offers long-term benefits for residents, communities, and governments. However, the program requires careful planning, significant investment, and strategic management to navigate its complexities and potential challenges. The reallocation of government funds from safe supply initiatives and opioid cost reduction programs provides a feasible funding source, supporting a sustainable and impactful recovery solution.

 

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1 minute ago, The Lock said:

 

Okay, you've provided some links. We're making progress here. The real question now is can we link those links to actual covid restrictions or is it just because of the pandemic as a whole?

 

So these links show an increase in homeless but doesn't show why that is. This increase also appears to be AFTER the restrictions. This is important to keep in mind. Some people could have lost a business and become homeless that way. Some people could have also become homeless for other reasons. We don't know the percentage of homeless who wouldn't be homeless has there have been no restrictions.

 

If you want other reasons for homelessness, think Ukraine and the effects that has had on food prices. Think about the sources of inflation. Sure Covid would cause some inflation in all likelihood, but there would be more factors at play since you're talking a continue increase in homelessness until 2030. That increase will NOT be because of the covid restrictions as those are done, so other factors have to be at play.

 

Again, thank you for at least providing some links. The question of connecting that recent homelessness is still up for debate, but at least you have proven homelessness increases after Covid, just not necessarily because of the restrictions.

I have a theory that CERB and the like is the reason those numbers stayed lower early.  This is merely my opinion.

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Just now, King Heffy said:

I have a theory that CERB and the like is the reason those numbers stayed lower early.  This is merely my opinion.

 

It could have, certainly.

 

What I really wonder is if someone's actually taken the time to determine the actual cause of the homelessness increase. I can't see that being an easy task to have partaken in. You'd have to determine things such as whether they got laid off from work and if that lay off was due to actual covid restrictions or if it would have happened anyway? There's just a lot that could have gone on.

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55 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

You are pointing out problems that everyone already knows we have.

 

What do you think caused them?

 

EDIT - It just struck me it would probably be best for both of us if you didn't respond. 

 

 I apologize for the comments I made.    I mean no harm

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54 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

It could have, certainly.

 

What I really wonder is if someone's actually taken the time to determine the actual cause of the homelessness increase. I can't see that being an easy task to have partaken in. You'd have to determine things such as whether they got laid off from work and if that lay off was due to actual covid restrictions or if it would have happened anyway? There's just a lot that could have gone on.

its a whole bunch of things, a study should be started but we cant wait for the results...

 

I assume Debt, AI, Other technology, low birth rate and the increased migration all are major reasons

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1 minute ago, MidKnight Ego said:

its a whole bunch of things, a study should be started but we cant wait for the results...

 

I assume Debt, AI, Other technology, low birth rate and the increased migration all are major reasons

I saw a recent study that listed learning disabilities, mental health issues, and drug addiction, as the main causes for homelessness.   Some homeless people will have two or even three of those issues.

 

Lot's of other things may impact the homeless problem but I thought the study nailed the main causes. 

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21 minutes ago, MidKnight Ego said:

its a whole bunch of things, a study should be started but we cant wait for the results...

 

I assume Debt, AI, Other technology, low birth rate and the increased migration all are major reasons

 

AI is an interesting one actually as not everyone thinks (or wants to think) about it. ChatGPT can certainly already make jobs easier (provided there isn't too much reliance on it) from clerical jobs to coding jobs. We're likely to see a shift in what certain jobs entail in the next decade or two.

 

And we're just seeing this stuff take off in popularity. Increased popularity of a technology will only increase the speed of advancement.

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4 hours ago, Wiggums said:

 

Lockdowns and Vax policies caused massive inflation, drug use, homelessness, shortage of doctors/nurses, etc.  Things that are going to affect the population for generations to come, people are too dense and brainwashed to look at the bigger picture here.

 

In 2020 the average age of death from COVID was 83.8, in 2019 the average life expectancy without COVID was 76.5....  Again, we implemented guidelines that are going to negatively effect and also kill younger generations for decades to come.. and we did it to save people who were well passed their excepted due date anyways.  

China had “lockdowns”. We didn’t. That term was promoted by extremist media 
Please explain how we were “locked down”. 
As for vaccinations … There was a small % of people who decided injecting horse dewormer was a better method than getting vaccinated for protecting themselves and society. IMHAO those folk are morons. These people (antivaxxers) are easily duped and led down the wrong path. 
 

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China had “lockdowns”. We didn’t. That term was promoted by extremist media 
Please explain how we were “locked down”. 
As for vaccinations … There was a small % of people who decided injecting horse dewormer was a better method than getting vaccinated for protecting themselves and society. IMHAO those folk are morons. These people (antivaxxers) are easily duped and led down the wrong path. 
 

 

there's a mythology now over 'vid. Lockdowns. Peaceful truckers. Its dogma now, don't even try to argue it. 

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8 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

I saw a recent study that listed learning disabilities, mental health issues, and drug addiction, as the main causes for homelessness.   Some homeless people will have two or even three of those issues.

 

Lot's of other things may impact the homeless problem but I thought the study nailed the main causes. 

those are the superficial reasons... we cant wipe our hands clean... and say oh they were always going to be homeless... every year more and more people are developing addiction and mental health issues, its also noted that for decades the schooling has been fostered to ignore many common learning disabilities by just throwing medication at the individual instead of providing special needs schooling...

 

the underlying reasons are what is important here... IMO... and its time we stop ignoring the issue

 

 

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10 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

AI is an interesting one actually as not everyone thinks (or wants to think) about it. ChatGPT can certainly already make jobs easier (provided there isn't too much reliance on it) from clerical jobs to coding jobs. We're likely to see a shift in what certain jobs entail in the next decade or two.

try 1-2 years... No ones jobs are safe, once we thought that only entertainers and artists wouldnt be affected. any job in the world will be able to be complted by AI and Robotics VERY VERY SOON

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20 minutes ago, Alflives said:

China had “lockdowns”. We didn’t. That term was promoted by extremist media 
Please explain how we were “locked down”. 
As for vaccinations … There was a small % of people who decided injecting horse dewormer was a better method than getting vaccinated for protecting themselves and society. IMHAO those folk are morons. These people (antivaxxers) are easily duped and led down the wrong path. 
 

I looked the up word 'lockdown' earlier today when I thought maybe we were all just getting confused by semantics.     

 

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, a number of non-pharmaceutical interventions colloquially known as lockdowns (encompassing stay-at-home orders, curfews, quarantines, cordons sanitaires and similar societal restrictions) have been implemented in numerous countries and territories around the world.

 

So, according to that definition, we had a lockdown.   China had one too, but their's was a lot harsher.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockdown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

 

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7 minutes ago, MidKnight Ego said:

try 1-2 years... No ones jobs are safe, once we thought that only entertainers and artists wouldnt be affected. any job in the world will be able to be complted by AI and Robotics VERY VERY SOON

 

I wouldn't go to that extreme with it. AI's still dumb afterall. It seems smart on the outside, but it literally has to be given a task that it may or may not succeed at. I've worked with and coded AI in the past. It's not like what you see with Hollywood, not even the slightest.

 

There's also a lot of "AI" that's really just an algorithm and not AI at all. There's a lot of marketing with this too.

 

The real issue in terms of artists becomes more of an ethical issue which we have to figure out as a society. There's also a lot of jobs that can't be replaced just because the AI will likely never be able to fully act as a human being, at least not for a long time to come if at all.

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7 minutes ago, MidKnight Ego said:

those are the superficial reasons... we cant wipe our hands clean... and say oh they were always going to be homeless... every year more and more people are developing addiction and mental health issues, its also noted that for decades the schooling has been fostered to ignore many common learning disabilities by just throwing medication at the individual instead of providing special needs schooling...

 

the underlying reasons are what is important here... IMO... and its time we stop ignoring the issue

 

 

I posted what I think are the underlying reasons for homelessness in reply to a post about the reasons for homelessness. 

 

If you want to discuss the reasons for learning disabilities, mental health issues, and drug addiction in Canada this would be the thread.  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, MidKnight Ego said:

tinfoil cap... but this is planned to reduce the world population and for USA to regain the leadership over economy with Cheap Labor.

 

if you havent noticed its already happening

 

Humanoid Robots For Sale | AltHumans

 

Home | Boston Dynamics

 

So I think there could be a harsh transistion period in terms of jobs; however, it's because of a shift in the jobs needed. You still need people to tell the robots what to do and ensure things are going according to plan.

 

Think about an assembly line and the transition from manual labour to automation. Did the machinery remove jobs or did it change what those jobs entail? It's going to be a similar idea with the AI. I do understand why people are scared but I think it's more fear of change and not dissimilar to fear of change that we've had for centuries.

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3 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

I wouldn't go to that extreme with it. AI's still dumb afterall. It seems smart on the outside, but it literally has to be given a task that it may or may not succeed at. I've worked with and coded AI in the past. It's not like what you see with Hollywood, not even the slightest.

 

There's also a lot of "AI" that's really just an algorithm and not AI at all. There's a lot of marketing with this too.

 

The real issue in terms of artists becomes more of an ethical issue which we have to figure out as a society. There's also a lot of jobs that can't be replaced just because the AI will likely never be able to fully act as a human being, at least not for a long time to come if at all.

no dont underestimate technology.... have you tried GPT-4? in less than 2 years we will have GPT 5 and every 2 years after we will get a new model... they will expand exponentially... in 2 years the writing will be on the wall...

 

The AI and Robotics industry is experiencing substantial growth. In 2023, the global AI Robots market was valued at approximately USD 17.56 billion. It's projected to expand at a significant compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 22.91%, reaching an estimated USD 138.19 billion by 2033. This growth is being driven by advancements in machine learning and artificial intelligence, which have expanded the capabilities of AI robots across various sectors, including manufacturing, healthcare, retail, logistics, and agriculture.

 

In the robotics market, the focus has been on the development of industrial and service robots. Industrial robots dominate this segment due to their wide adoption in sectors like automotive, manufacturing, and electronics. For instance, the automotive industry utilizes industrial robots for assembly, welding, painting, and quality control, driven by high-volume production, complex assembly processes, and stringent quality standards.

The growth of the AI and Robotics industry is not without challenges. High initial costs and implementation challenges pose significant barriers, particularly for smaller businesses. However, the opportunities are vast, with an increasing demand for collaborative robots (cobots) that are designed to work safely alongside humans in various settings.

 

Region-wise, Asia Pacific is a key player in the AI robots market, with significant contributions from China, Japan, and South Korea. North America, led by the United States, is also a major market, with widespread adoption of AI robots across several industries.

 

The impact of this growth on jobs is multifaceted. On one hand, AI and robotics are expected to automate repetitive and physically demanding tasks, potentially reducing the need for human labor in these areas. On the other hand, these technologies are also creating new job opportunities in areas such as robot maintenance, programming, and system integration. The overall effect on employment will depend on the pace of adoption and the specific sectors in which AI and robotics are deployed.

 

(editors note thats me... likely the jobs created will also be replaced with robotics as well)

 

For a more detailed understanding of the AI and Robotics industry and its future prospects, you can refer to the comprehensive reports from Mordor Intelligence and Evolve BI.https://evolvebi.com/

 

 

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Just now, MidKnight Ego said:

no dont underestimate technology.... have you tried GPT-4? in less than 2 years we will have GPT 5 and every 2 years after we will get a new model... they will expand exponentially... in 2 years the writing will be on the wall...

 

The AI and Robotics industry is experiencing substantial growth. In 2023, the global AI Robots market was valued at approximately USD 17.56 billion. It's projected to expand at a significant compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 22.91%, reaching an estimated USD 138.19 billion by 2033. This growth is being driven by advancements in machine learning and artificial intelligence, which have expanded the capabilities of AI robots across various sectors, including manufacturing, healthcare, retail, logistics, and agriculture.

 

In the robotics market, the focus has been on the development of industrial and service robots. Industrial robots dominate this segment due to their wide adoption in sectors like automotive, manufacturing, and electronics. For instance, the automotive industry utilizes industrial robots for assembly, welding, painting, and quality control, driven by high-volume production, complex assembly processes, and stringent quality standards.

The growth of the AI and Robotics industry is not without challenges. High initial costs and implementation challenges pose significant barriers, particularly for smaller businesses. However, the opportunities are vast, with an increasing demand for collaborative robots (cobots) that are designed to work safely alongside humans in various settings.

 

Region-wise, Asia Pacific is a key player in the AI robots market, with significant contributions from China, Japan, and South Korea. North America, led by the United States, is also a major market, with widespread adoption of AI robots across several industries.

 

The impact of this growth on jobs is multifaceted. On one hand, AI and robotics are expected to automate repetitive and physically demanding tasks, potentially reducing the need for human labor in these areas. On the other hand, these technologies are also creating new job opportunities in areas such as robot maintenance, programming, and system integration. The overall effect on employment will depend on the pace of adoption and the specific sectors in which AI and robotics are deployed.

 

(editors note thats me... likely the jobs created will also be replaced with robotics as well)

 

For a more detailed understanding of the AI and Robotics industry and its future prospects, you can refer to the comprehensive reports from Mordor Intelligence and Evolve BI.https://evolvebi.com/

 

 

 

I have tried ChatGPT, yes. However, since I already have some insight, it's likely not as impressive to me as it is you since you likely haven't seen what really goes on the insides of some of these machines.

 

A lot of these models, for example, run on training data. In these cases, the AI is only as good as the training data you've provided it. Another example would be a robot that creates a million robot clones to try and complete a task. The clones who succeed the most are kept and the others rejected and that process repeats. Again, if you think about it, the algorithm isn't that smart. I literally explained it in 2 sentences what it's doing. lol

 

I can see you are at least acknowledging it's more a shift in jobs rather than removing them entirely. Like I said earlier, AI is popular now therefore it will grow faster. Of that I'm in agreement. I just think there's also a lot of people expecting a "Hollywood scenario" with all of this without really knowing what's actually going on.

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