Canadian Politics Thread

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Miss Korea said:

We have someone here shilling for Rebel News?  I had no idea they're still a thing.

It might be wise for you to actually pay attention to what's being said.

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Slow down my friend.

 

I am agreeing with you.

 

Jag should give Rebel an answer or two if they have credetials to be at the presser. Who decides the credentials? I dont know but I would support a wide landscape of political media. 

That said, some companies become trolls and sooner or later should be removed in favour of companies trying to do an honest job.

If you watch UFC Dana White, who idolises Trump, is trying the same thing to media. He even is doing a doc about how he has been poorly treated. His whines are being recieved as well as his slapfight league. 

I realize you are and you are making a good point. But as I said, I can understand why Jag would do what he did but if they were allowed to be there they should take the questions.

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Wtf are you talking about.  You said every kid.  I never said we didn't have iPads or any other device.

You said no, no they don't. I guess you don't share in your classroom. Good to know lol.

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

Note- you said "all kids"

So please don't speak for "all kids" then get annoyed because you say people are talking about "all schools".

 

PS my time is my own, to do as I choose, freedom lovers would understand that, but a limitarian, such as your self, seem to have trouble with the concept.

 

Do you have anything to add to the topic? Or are you in here to attempt to think you're smarter than others? How much time do you have on your hands?

1 hour ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

This is funny because it's you. That's on the cry baby side of things. I just pointed out what you did and how ridiculous it was. Like you made such a compelling argument to him. But again, I'm not surprised. Consider the source hey?

1 hour ago, Playoff Beered said:

Considering you weren't even responding to me, this doesn't actually make any sense. Also, I wasn't playing the victim. I just pointed out how ridiculous it was that you get away with that nonsense.

50 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

So then why use an incorrect term?  

Well the prime minister use that incorrect term not too long ago. Anyways, I kind of feel like conversating with you is kind of pointless. I felt this way a few years ago, but I mean if we are essentially saying the same things but you don't like the wording. Is it really worth continuing?

47 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

I think, while it's commendable to strive for equality and we absolutely should be doing that, realistically there's no way currently things are going to be equal. You have multiple school districts with sometimes different needs. Then, within that, you have multiple schools within each school district also with different needs.

 

I remember back when I was in elementary school, there were people in Victoria wanting to set a limit on school buses. I happened to be in an area where that would have been disastrous as it would have forced people like me to have to walk around 7km one way down a relatively busy road with no sidewalk. Imagine being 10 years old having to do that. Yet, there were people in Victoria trying to enact laws like that. I'm sure those laws would have worked in Victoria (...maybe?) but up here that would have been terrible.

Yeah that's a great point. Admittedly, I don't stay up to speed on individual schools or school districts. I guess that was just kind of my naive thought.

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, 4petesake said:

 

 

Even so 1-3 is not all kids.

 

You know what I don't understand is this has nothing to do with anything. How much time do you kids have on your hands? I was just pointing out an example of how we're moving forward in the future for our kids. Some of you just need to argue for the sake of arguing. It's sad really. I mean we had a historic event take place in Manitoba We had a historic event take place in the House of Commons, yet you guys are holding on to something that was just an example of how the future is different for the kids today than it was for us or some of us. Anyways, because the way some of you are responding, I don't think you can be that much older than a teenager either.

[Satchmo]

Chirp.  Whine.  Repeat.

[Optimist Prime]

4 hours ago, stawns said:

How does it restrict freedom of speech?  Which we don't actually have in Canada.

Don't make him mad, he might think he has the right to bear arms and stand his ground too....

[RupertKBD]

3 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

I have two teachers and a school district superintendent in my fam. My wife also works for MCFD. I will get to the bottom of this ipads for tots business and will report from the island!

 

Update from a college with multiple campuses between Smithers and Haida Gwaii:

 

No iPads for students. The library has some laptops available for loaning to students on a first come / first served basis.....(old laptops)

[Ryan Strome]

7 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Chirp.  Whine.  Repeat.

Is that what's happening or you must be speaking about the ones I'm chatting with? Cuz yeah that's pretty much what they're doing.

4 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

Don't make him mad, he might think he has the right to bear arms and stand his ground too....

Nah, I just know Canadian law better than many.

3 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Update from a college with multiple campuses between Smithers and Haida Gwaii:

 

No iPads for students. The library has some laptops available for loaning to students on a first come / first served basis.....(old laptops)

Again must be a district by district thing or maybe a provincial thing. But then again we have clearly had the OP. Now admit that there is in fact ipads in elementary schools where he teaches. But again, I have no idea what this has to do with Canadian politics, but I guess it seems as though we really derail threads nowadays. Although I guess we always did do that.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[Ryan Strome]

Some days I feel like if you're not a socialist Loving hippy you are swore out and ridiculed. Is this the new left that you guys are talking about? That is such a great thing for this country? Lol

 

It must be fun when you kick out all the conservatives cuz then we can just share the same voice. Like some sort of race for up votes. Anyhow, I seem to be bothering a bunch of you people so maybe I will take a break from the off topics stick to hockey. If an election gets called I'll be back.

[RupertKBD]

Getting back to new House Speaker Fergus.....

 

I think the most positive thing about this appointment is that we won't see the anti-Liberal crowd complaining about him dressing up in brownface 20 years from now....

Edited October 4, 2023 by RupertKBD

[4petesake]

 

45 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

You know what I don't understand is this has nothing to do with anything. How much time do you kids have on your hands? I was just pointing out an example of how we're moving forward in the future for our kids. Some of you just need to argue for the sake of arguing. It's sad really. I mean we had a historic event take place in Manitoba We had a historic event take place in the House of Commons, yet you guys are holding on to something that was just an example of how the future is different for the kids today than it was for us or some of us. Anyways, because the way some of you are responding, I don't think you can be that much older than a teenager either.

 

You made a statement that @stawns rejected and then you said that he was either lying or not good at his job. Then you changed the premise to “in Calgary.” Fair enough, you could have just said “sorry I meant all kids in my district get a laptop” and I would have said that’s fantastic. I’m out on that topic now so the last response is yours if you choose.

 

Yes there are lots of better things to talk about.

-The new CRTC legislation that was brought up here has had me reading up on it and net neutrality for the last couple of hours. I have concerns just like you or @Elias Pettersson and others but I just can’t make the jump to blaming it all on the PM without learning more. Apparently this is CRTC’s response to Bill C-11 to require streaming and online services like Netflix and Spotify to eventually pay into the domestic media ecosystem but I’m going to reserve judgement until we get some clarity.

 

On the CRTC :

 

It's not quite the same here in Canada. Although commissioners are still appointed by the government, the CRTC operates as more of an arm's-length judiciary, and makes decisions based on evidence submitted during public consultations, rather than along party lines. 

"It's treated more like a court process than like a political arena," said Laura Tribe, executive director of Open Media, which advocates for a free and open internet. "[That's] not to say there aren't politics involved, but it's not partisan to the same extent as it is in the U.S."

 

 

 

[moosehead]

2 hours ago, Johngould21 said:

In response to my post, most schools do their own fundraising for extras. The curriculum is the same for all schools, except my wife taught cursive writing. All the extras when she taught were up to the schools to fund, as far as I knew. The first computers in her Annex were from a private business that donated them. Of course the VSB, had IT people set them up.
 

 

I thought cursive writing was swearlng........ LOL

 

Yes , descrepancy in BC schools is a huge issue.  School pacs raising money for field trips, computers, ipads, art supplies.

High Socio economic schools get all those as the pac raises thoussands every year.

Inner schools  may not even be able to run a pac ... not enough interest.. Or if they do, the members can not fund raise well due to less business connectiions.

Government needs to ensure all schools have similar budgets..  ALL KIDS deserve a QUALITY education. Not just rich kids. 

[moosehead]

You guys are missing the big CDN news today..

 

 

 

New Hockey regs for kids under 18

 

Base bottom  layer clothing worn under hockey gear.  Now must be taken on or off at home or in a bathroom stall.     Can not be  put on or removed in the dressing room  before of after hockey practise or game....   HC trying to be inclusive. 

 

Not sure how i feel about this as i have spent most of my life in a out of dressing rooms playing hockey as a kid to old timers......

Edited October 4, 2023 by moosehead

[stawns]

15 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Some days I feel like if you're not a socialist Loving hippy you are swore out and ridiculed. Is this the new left that you guys are talking about? That is such a great thing for this country? Lol

 

It must be fun when you kick out all the conservatives cuz then we can just share the same voice. Like some sort of race for up votes. Anyhow, I seem to be bothering a bunch of you people so maybe I will take a break from the off topics stick to hockey. If an election gets called I'll be back.

Guess what?  In Canada, most people are on the left and most are sick of the bs culture war the right is waging.  We outnumber you by a substantial margin, deal with it

[King Heffy]

7 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

 

You made a statement that @stawns rejected and then you said that he was either lying or not good at his job. Then you changed the premise to “in Calgary.” Fair enough, you could have just said “sorry I meant all kids in my district get a laptop” and I would have said that’s fantastic. I’m out on that topic now so the last response is yours if you choose.

 

Yes there are lots of better things to talk about.

-The new CRTC legislation that was brought up here has had me reading up on it and net neutrality for the last couple of hours. I have concerns just like you or @Elias Pettersson and others but I just can’t make the jump to blaming it all on the PM without learning more. Apparently this is CRTC’s response to Bill C-11 to require streaming and online services like Netflix and Spotify to eventually pay into the domestic media ecosystem but I’m going to reserve judgement until we get some clarity.

 

On the CRTC :

 

It's not quite the same here in Canada. Although commissioners are still appointed by the government, the CRTC operates as more of an arm's-length judiciary, and makes decisions based on evidence submitted during public consultations, rather than along party lines. 

"It's treated more like a court process than like a political arena," said Laura Tribe, executive director of Open Media, which advocates for a free and open internet. "[That's] not to say there aren't politics involved, but it's not partisan to the same extent as it is in the U.S."

 

 

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-crtc-chair-vicky-eatrides/

 

Opinion piece, but useful regarding who the current commissioners are and their experience.

[the destroyer of worlds]

A little info on the new Premier of Manitoba.

 

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/premier-wab-kinew-from-rapper-to-reporter-to-manitoba-s-top-political-office-1.6588342

 

Premier Wab Kinew: From rapper to reporter to Manitoba's top political office

[Optimist Prime]

6 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

 

You made a statement that @stawns rejected and then you said that he was either lying or not good at his job. Then you changed the premise to “in Calgary.” Fair enough, you could have just said “sorry I meant all kids in my district get a laptop” and I would have said that’s fantastic. I’m out on that topic now so the last response is yours if you choose.

 

Yes there are lots of better things to talk about.

-The new CRTC legislation that was brought up here has had me reading up on it and net neutrality for the last couple of hours. I have concerns just like you or @Elias Pettersson and others but I just can’t make the jump to blaming it all on the PM without learning more. Apparently this is CRTC’s response to Bill C-11 to require streaming and online services like Netflix and Spotify to eventually pay into the domestic media ecosystem but I’m going to reserve judgement until we get some clarity.

 

On the CRTC :

 

It's not quite the same here in Canada. Although commissioners are still appointed by the government, the CRTC operates as more of an arm's-length judiciary, and makes decisions based on evidence submitted during public consultations, rather than along party lines. 

"It's treated more like a court process than like a political arena," said Laura Tribe, executive director of Open Media, which advocates for a free and open internet. "[That's] not to say there aren't politics involved, but it's not partisan to the same extent as it is in the U.S."

 

 

 

My biggest issue with the CRTC is that each of the big tech companies has a member on the Commission. It is very much made up of "the old network boys" hehe rather than the old boys network. I feel that historically, when the government outsources responsibilities for governing things, we end up with among other things the Residential School legacy of shame. "Of course the churches can manage their own oversight of these kids who don't come from homes that believe in that religion" didn't work out, nor could it have worked out at all, in hindsight.  "Gee why did the Bell and Rogers and Telus reps vote against Try N Save from opening up a new cell service?" happens all the time, I have no doubt. 

[Rook]

59 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

You know what I don't understand is this has nothing to do with anything. How much time do you kids have on your hands? I was just pointing out an example of how we're moving forward in the future for our kids. Some of you just need to argue for the sake of arguing. It's sad really. I mean we had a historic event take place in Manitoba We had a historic event take place in the House of Commons, yet you guys are holding on to something that was just an example of how the future is different for the kids today than it was for us or some of us. Anyways, because the way some of you are responding, I don't think you can be that much older than a teenager either.

Or just try admitting you were wrong?? People would leave it be?

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

My biggest issue with the CRTC is that each of the big tech companies has a member on the Commission. It is very much made up of "the old network boys" hehe rather than the old boys network. I feel that historically, when the government outsources responsibilities for governing things, we end up with among other things the Residential School legacy of shame. "Of course the churches can manage their own oversight of these kids who don't come from homes that believe in that religion" didn't work out, nor could it have worked out at all, in hindsight.  "Gee why did the Bell and Rogers and Telus reps vote against Try N Save from opening up a new cell service?" happens all the time, I have no doubt. 

Look at what happened with Boeing to the South of us for a more recent example that led to many avoidable fatalities.

[Johngould21]

4 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

I thought cursive writing was swearlng........ LOL

 

Yes , descrepancy in BC schools is a huge issue.  School pacs raising money for field trips, computers, ipads, art supplies.

High Socio economic schools get all those as the pac raises thoussands every year.

Inner schools  may not even be able to run a pac ... not enough interest.. Or if they do, the members can not fund raise well due to less business connectiions.

Government needs to ensure all schools have similar budgets..  ALL KIDS deserve a QUALITY education. Not just rich kids. 

Where I live, the elementary school has had folks like Michael Buble pay for the installation of a playground. He went to school in this neighbourhood. My wife is friends of some of those teachers from this school as our kids went to it as well. When comparing what their pac raised to what my wife's school were able to, it wasn't close and never would be. Chevron at one time funded the entire computer lab in this school.  Is it fair that kids get huge donations like this because of where they live? No, but it does say that some folks are very generous and are attached to their roots.

[4petesake]

4 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-crtc-chair-vicky-eatrides/

 

Opinion piece, but useful regarding who the current commissioners are and their experience.

 

Thanks Heff but it’s behind a paywall. Anything you can copy?

[the destroyer of worlds]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

Guess what?  In Canada, most people are on the left and most are sick of the bs culture war the right is waging.  We outnumber you by a substantial margin, deal with it

 

 

Harper never got more than 40% of the vote.  And if you add up the vote totals for just the Greens, NDP, and Libs in each of the past elections, their totals exceed 50% of the votes.  The 2019 election has those three parties accounting for just over 56% of the vote.  Real-world data.  Not a poll of a few hundred/thousand people over the phone.

[Optimist Prime]

7 minutes ago, moosehead said:

You guys are missing the big CDN news today..

 

 

 

New Hockey regs for kids under 18

 

Base bottom  layer clothing worn under hockey gear.  Now must be taken on or off at home or in a bathroom stall.     Can not be  put on or removed in the dressing room  before of after hockey practise or game....   HC trying to be inclusive. 

 

Not sure how i feel about this as i have spent most of my life in a out of dressing rooms playing hockey as a kid to old timers......

I am okay with this. In certain military situations we have had a mixed gender unit (not to inflame folks but it even included a highly capable, incredibly intelligent and strong Trans woman) we had to get an entire unit showered and back on business within a quarter hour window. 32 adults of all bits and bobs stripped down and mass showered and brushed our teeth and you know what, not one person thought "oooo sexytime". It was very professional in every instance, a handful of times mind you in a career, but you have to do stuff like that when you are an adult in the army. You don't HAVE to do that when you are a child playing a game with adult coaches and trainers et cetera all around. I don't think it is a bad decision but I think there were probably other alternatives that didn't win out. It seems fine to me. 

[Johngould21]

23 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

Getting back to new House Speaker Fergus.....

 

I think the most positive thing about this appointment is that we won't see the anti-Liberal crowd complaining about him dressing up in brownface 20 years from now....

too soon? Naw, go with it!

 

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, 4petesake said:

 

Thanks Heff but it’s behind a paywall. Anything you can copy?

Vicky Eatrides will never be more popular than on her first day as Canada’s chief communications regulator.

 

Publicly, everyone loves the new chair of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) and is filled with hope that she will see the world as they do and – for the sake of the country’s culture, of course – enrich their lives. The same can be said for new vice-chair (telecom) Adam Scott. Their halos will glow from the commencement of their five-year terms on Jan. 5.

 

 

 

Until they issue a decision.

 

After that, it will be all downhill as, one by one, the ranks of the disappointed grow until they form a full-voiced choir of the aggrieved. Little wonder many conclude that the only way for a CRTC chair to survive is to ensure that everyone is equally unhappy.

 

There is much positive buzz surrounding Ms. Eatrides. One factor is that the commission she is inheriting is already deeply unpopular among those who advocate for consumers and service-based competition. The May 27, 2021, decision by outgoing chair Ian Scott’s CRTC concerning wholesale access rates for broadband services remains infamous. The bar for Ms. Eatrides has been set low.

 

But the optimism also stems from the fact she’s a career civil servant who spent years at the Competition Bureau, which is at the moment – at least in the eyes of the pro-competition/consumer crowd – wearing a superhero cape due to its stubborn opposition to Rogers Communications Inc.’s proposed $20-billion takeover of Shaw Communications Inc.

 

 

 

People I respect and who know Ms. Eatrides think she is as solid an appointment as could be made given the Herculean task ahead.

 

There is also a very good chance that she will be more than ably assisted by Mr. Scott, the incoming vice-chair. Those who have crossed paths with him speak of a highly capable individual with decades of experience managing connectivity issues. Notably, neither Ms. Eatrides nor Mr. Scott bring any baggage from the traditional content creation sector that successfully lobbied for Bill C-11, the Online Streaming Act.

 

But while the monster that is Bill C-11 still awaits confirmation (whether unamended or as amended by the Senate remains to be seen), Ms. Eatrides’ first tasks will be structural and watched carefully. With Mr. Scott and Alicia Barin, another incoming vice-chair (broadcasting), there is clearly a new team with a fresh mandate in charge, and these will be nervous nights for senior CRTC bureaucrats. It is not unusual for new chairs to install leaders with whom they have worked previously, and, given that both Ms. Eatrides and Mr. Scott come from the public service, there will be no shortage of those nearby.

 

Next will be clearing the decks of leftover decisions, such as the do-over ordered by cabinet on the CBC’s licence, the undue preference complaint filed against Rogers for not carrying OneSoccer and others.

 

 

 

 

This will set the stage for Ms. Eatrides to make sense of Bill C-11 and attempt to prevent the many catastrophes it makes possible.

 

Those include the risks to the incomes of tens of thousands of Canadian digital creators, the future of an open internet and the freedom of citizens to express themselves through it. YouTube and TikTok creators see themselves as lambs being led to the slaughter, while smaller streaming companies may, depending on Ms. Eatrides’s decisions, decide that Canada just isn’t worth the trouble and leave.

 

Further complicating matters is the fact that those who pushed for Bill C-11 will be expecting to reap what is likely to be a very overpromised reward, while hovering over it all will be a cabinet armed with new powers to second guess all the most important decisions.

 

As if that isn’t enough pressure, everyone within the CRTC’s soon-to-be-global scope will be watching closely to determine if Ms. Eatrides’s appointment will, in concert with a fresh approach to competition policy, signal that the consumer is once again the one whose interests the CRTC intends to primarily serve.

 

 

 

So, here’s hoping that Ms. Eatrides’s first day is a good one.

 

 

[Johngould21]

How about the war going on in BC between the United Party??? lol, and the Conservatives. The right doesn't get it, so how do you take them seriously?

[Optimist Prime]

5 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

How about the war going on in BC between the United Party??? lol, and the Conservatives. The right doesn't get it, so how do you take them seriously?

Frankly I am over the moon that they finally dropped the Liberal label in BC. The "BC LIberals" were taken over by the former Social Credit folks, including my cousin (a former Socred cabinet minister) and other conservatives when they concluded the 'conservative' brand in BC was a non starter. I mean our first Premier changed his name to Amor De Cosmos between being elected and being sworn into office. We are a special kind of folks in BC and will never really be in step with Alberta, Ontario, Quebec or the Maritimes, we are a distinct society as is the prairies and as are the Quebecers and Maritimers back east. That is what makes Canada Strong in my mind though, our diversity is our strength. 

 

Now that the wolves have taken off the sheeps clothing I don't think they will hold power in BC for a fairly long time and then only when/if the government gets so stale folks have to toss them out to change the diaper. 

 

I am more interested in knocking off the BC Green party leader from the Cowichan Valley seat.  It is my riding provincially and she has done nothing, hasnt been seen in a year plus and seems out of her league as a party leader in office. I think I will be voting NDP here next time, and for the first time in my life actively working for them to succeed. (Not an historical NDP supporter)