Canadian Politics Thread

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

and on another note...

 

Cult of self-proclaimed 'Queen of Canada' threatens Sask. village with public executions

 

An extremist cult leader and her followers have set up camp in a small Saskatchewan village, 83 kilometres northwest of Maple Creek, near the Alberta border. The group has called for public execution of elected officials and other members in and around the community.

Romana Didulo is known as a far-right QAnon conspiracy theorist. She has declared herself the "Queen of Canada," among other titles including the national Indigenous leader.

She has amassed thousands of followers by pushing conspiracy theories and what she calls decrees through social media, particularly Telegram — a messaging app that has grown in popularity with the far right.

Didulo and some of her followers, who call themselves the 'Kingdom of Canada,' have been travelling around the country for some time. On Sept. 13, they were forced out of Kamsack, Sask., by the townspeople.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/cult-of-self-proclaimed-queen-of-canada-threaten-sask-village-with-public-executions-1.6988680

 

Isn’t publicly calling for killing others way beyond what’s provided by our Charter freedoms of expression? I’m not sure but I’m thinking this person needs to be arrested for those words, tried, convicted, and forced to give up their supply of horsey paste! 

[Bob Long]

7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Isn’t publicly calling for killing others way beyond what’s provided by our Charter freedoms of expression? I’m not sure but I’m thinking this person needs to be arrested for those words, tried, convicted, and forced to give up their supply of horsey paste! 

Oh yup it is. She needs to be in lock up

 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

4 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

Oh yup it is. She needs to be in lock up

 

 

Guess it's too late to strip her of citizenship and ship her back to the land of Marcos Jr., eh?

[aGENT]

12 hours ago, LaBamba said:

Most people who want to share wealth have no wealth. Most people who have Wealth, didn’t get wealthy by sharing money. Not all, but most. 
if you are wealthy and want the liberal government to take your money and the responsibility to distribute it. You’re likely entering the early stages of dementia. 

 

11 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Bingo.

 

I may not be doing "LaBamba well", but I managed an entire department for a pretty sizeable Vancouver based company for over 20 years. I'm doing alright (even despite my ex ). Supporting the least of our populace only makes  for a stronger country with less crime, and better opportunity for all...which helps everyone, myself included. You don't make an entire country stronger, more resilient and fiscally diverse and stable being "me first" and racing to the bottom.

 

 

11 hours ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Either that, or just maybe it's because you aren't a selfish jerk.....

 

That may be a bit harsh....but...

 

5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I don't like the idea of paying even higher taxes than we already pay, but out of respect I'll watch this video for you. I have a couple things I have to finish up here. I'm heading home tomorrow so but I will get to it at some point today I promise. And if you change my mind the next time I'm in BC you owe me a beer lol

 

Taxes aren't the problem. How they're spent is. Highly taxed countries that invest in their people, their industries, infrastucture, education, health care...tend to be pretty good countries.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

He is right.  Anyone who would disagree wit this statement simpyl dismisses the rights of every Canadian to have their own opinion about things, their own beliefs and dismisses the validity of being able to criticize a party or a law based on those beliefs.

 

This is a core tenant of our charter of rights and freedoms and i 100% agree with this individuals statement as well as their right to dissent against the party based on their personal beliefs.

The more and more I think about that statement I think wow that is the best freest(is that a word) comment I have heard by a Canadian politician in long my whole adult life.

[Warhippy]

Just gonna leave this here.  Not exactly the kind of thing any MP should be laughing about.

 

https://www.narcity.com/jagmeet-singh-conservatives-laughing-canadians-cant-afford-groceries

 

https://globalnews.ca/video/8903556/singh-chides-mps-for-laughing-during-question-about-grocery-prices

Edited October 7, 2023 by Warhippy

[aGENT]

9 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Just gonna leave this here.  Not exactly the kind of thing any MP should be laughing about.

 

https://www.narcity.com/jagmeet-singh-conservatives-laughing-canadians-cant-afford-groceries

 

https://globalnews.ca/video/8903556/singh-chides-mps-for-laughing-during-question-about-grocery-prices

 

Singh's plan won't work, taxes would just be borne by the consumer anyway... But that's disgusting that actual MPs were laughing about Canadians struggling to afford groceries.

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

15 minutes ago, aGENT said:

But that's disgusting that actual MPs were laughing about Canadians struggling to afford groceries.

 

Something something eat cake something. 

[Smashian Kassian]

On 10/2/2023 at 9:37 PM, moosehead said:

 

Yah, democracy is tough -  waiting for elections to vote.  So hard on people....  Such a tough life for us.... 

 

 

I don't know if you've seen; grocery prices, gas prices, the housing market, interest rates, or what's in the news the last while - saluting literal WW2 nazis, foreign interfence in elections, global media companies (google, FB, Insta, exc.) blocking Canadians from accessing news on their platforms due to a recent bill, exc. exc. - but things haven't exactly been progressing in a positive direction for the average Canadian imo.

 

My original point was that maybe these people (in all the parties) aren't automatically honorable & we shouldn't pre-emptively valorize them while they take advantage of us & our system.

 

But hey if we want to keep believing that 1 single vote every 4 years in a country of 40 million is somehow adequate autonomy or accountability then fine.

[Warhippy]

21 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

Singh's plan won't work, taxes would just be borne by the consumer anyway... But that's disgusting that actual MPs were laughing about Canadians struggling to afford groceries.

For me it's just another reason to remind people that the claims of the liberals being out of touch or uncaring about the average Canadian can be applied to the conservatives en masse.

 

People need to stop pretending they're different 

[Smashian Kassian]

30 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Just gonna leave this here.  Not exactly the kind of thing any MP should be laughing about.

 

https://www.narcity.com/jagmeet-singh-conservatives-laughing-canadians-cant-afford-groceries

 

https://globalnews.ca/video/8903556/singh-chides-mps-for-laughing-during-question-about-grocery-prices

 

Honestly its hard to take Singh seriously when he's continually criticizing the gov't on one hand, while simultaneously keeping them in power in the other. 

 

I get there's a political game to play to play here, but if your a hardcore NDPer (like a true Socialist / Marxist) he's basically selling the party & their avenue for influence out. And the only rationale I can think is its b/c he doesn't think the party position can improve at this moment, or else why continue like this. 

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Honestly its hard to take Singh seriously when he's continually criticizing the gov't on one hand, while simultaneously keeping them in power in the other. 

 

I get there's a political game to play to play here, but if your a hardcore NDPer (like a true Socialist / Marxist) he's basically selling the party & their avenue for influence out. And the only rationale I can think is its b/c he doesn't think the party position can improve at this moment, or else why continue like this. 

I've been vocal about my disdain for Singh.  Yes a coward and an opportunist.  He refuses to take a stand against what he whines about with the liberals because they throw him crumbs.

 

He's the worst possible kind of leader and nobody will ever change my mind. About him

[4petesake]

4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Honestly its hard to take Singh seriously when he's continually criticizing the gov't on one hand, while simultaneously keeping them in power in the other. 

 

I get there's a political game to play to play here, but if your a hardcore NDPer (like a true Socialist / Marxist) he's basically selling the party & their avenue for influence out. And the only rationale I can think is its b/c he doesn't think the party position can improve at this moment, or else why continue like this. 

 

Far be it from me to argue in his defence because I don’t think he’s got much to show for his bargain but didn’t he at least get a deal on dental coverage? 

[Smashian Kassian]

11 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I've been vocal about my disdain for Singh.  Yes a coward and an opportunist.  He refuses to take a stand against what he whines about with the liberals because they throw him crumbs.

 

He's the worst possible kind of leader and nobody will ever change my mind. About him

 

I agree completely, perfectly said.

 

I wouldn't consider myself an NDPer - though I definitely think they have a valuable role to play - but this is a complete failure of leadership & I feel bad for true NDP voters.

 

And its also kind of why I was getting into it with ppl a few pages back about 'having respect for those in office/our current democracy', like this kind of malaise & 'party-serving politics' - across the board, all parties, not just NDP - why do we just accept it? 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Smashian Kassian

[Smashian Kassian]

14 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

Far be it from me to argue in his defence because I don’t think he’s got much to show for his bargain but didn’t he at least get a deal on dental coverage? 

 

 

A quick search; as of March 23rd '23 I see he was saying the Liberals needed to expand their dental care in order to maintain NDP support - that was like 6 months ago.

 

I'm not the best with this stuff, anecdotally my coverage hasn't changed though I was able to afford my situation before, I think this was aimed at people unable to afford, not sure how well that's worked but I'd bet its helped for sure. It does seem like a bit of a weak deal given they've handed over basically unconditional support & this is something you think the Liberals would be aiming for in the first place given they are more center-left atm I'd say. 

 

TLDR; I don't have a great answer  

Edited October 7, 2023 by Smashian Kassian

[4petesake]

1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

A quick search; as of March 23rd '23 I see he was saying the Liberals needed to expand their dental care in order to maintain NDP support - that was like 6 months ago.

 

I'm not the best with this stuff, anecdotally my coverage hasn't changed though I was able to afford my situation before, I think this was aimed at people unable to afford, not sure how well that's worked but I'd bet its helped for sure. It does seem like a bit of a weak deal given they've handed over basically unconditional support & this is something you think the Liberals would be aiming for in the first place given they are more center-left atm I'd say. 

 

TLDR; I don't have a great answer  

I believe it is supposed to be phased in over 3 years so fully in place when their agreement with the libs ends in 2025. I think they start with pre-teens first in the next few months. I wonder if he’s got the testicular fortitude to pull his support if it doesn’t begin soon.

 

Yeah agreed that’s pretty merger return for his deal.

[Ryan Strome]

5 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Honestly its hard to take Singh seriously when he's continually criticizing the gov't on one hand, while simultaneously keeping them in power in the other. 

 

I get there's a political game to play to play here, but if your a hardcore NDPer (like a true Socialist / Marxist) he's basically selling the party & their avenue for influence out. And the only rationale I can think is its b/c he doesn't think the party position can improve at this moment, or else why continue like this. 

The NDP is bankrupt.

He needs 6 years for an all inclusive pension.

5 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I've been vocal about my disdain for Singh.  Yes a coward and an opportunist.  He refuses to take a stand against what he whines about with the liberals because they throw him crumbs.

 

He's the worst possible kind of leader and nobody will ever change my mind. About him

On a personality and compassion level he would probably be the best of the three. Politically what he has done is probably started the decimation of the federal NDP party.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[Ryan Strome]

6 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Just gonna leave this here.  Not exactly the kind of thing any MP should be laughing about.

 

https://www.narcity.com/jagmeet-singh-conservatives-laughing-canadians-cant-afford-groceries

 

https://globalnews.ca/video/8903556/singh-chides-mps-for-laughing-during-question-about-grocery-prices

This is actually pitiful and true leadership would probably scold these members. That being said, all parties in the house have laughed at the other party when they're making genuine statements. It's like they're so dumb and they forget there is cameras rolling

Edited October 7, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[Gurn]

One thing The NDP gets/got from supporting the Liberals is time.

Perhaps, after the last election, the NDP party funds were lower than the other 2 'main' parties.?

Time to restock the bank, rather than being thrown into another election, weeks after one was finished.

 

But it is hard to get those pamphlets from the local MP talking about how bad a job the libs are doing. is, while at the same time the NDP  allows the LIbs to do that 'bad' job.

[Bob Long]

I think people here are being a little unfair to Singh, and maybe over complicating things. Right now he has some measure of influence to do what people elected him to do. Under a CPC majority, he'll have none. I think it's that simple.

 

We saw how Layton and Mulcair had principles but were politically impotent under a Harper and/or Lib majority. Maybe Singh prefers to at least get some of what he wants. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Bob Long

[Bob Long]

7 hours ago, 4petesake said:

I believe it is supposed to be phased in over 3 years so fully in place when their agreement with the libs ends in 2025. I think they start with pre-teens first in the next few months. I wonder if he’s got the testicular fortitude to pull his support if it doesn’t begin soon.

 

Yeah agreed that’s pretty merger return for his deal.

 

its also about not having other programs clawed back as well. We all know what PP would do to programs NDP supporters care about. 

[Bob Long]

13 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

Guess it's too late to strip her of citizenship and ship her back to the land of Marcos Jr., eh?

 

jail would be sufficient for her. She's nuts. 

[Ryan Strome]

35 minutes ago, Gurn said:

One thing The NDP gets/got from supporting the Liberals is time.

Perhaps, after the last election, the NDP party funds were lower than the other 2 'main' parties.?

Time to restock the bank, rather than being thrown into another election, weeks after one was finished.

 

But it is hard to get those pamphlets from the local MP talking about how bad a job the libs are doing. is, while at the same time the NDP  allows the LIbs to do that 'bad' job.

That's exactly what it is. The party was near bankrupt. It pretty much was a no win situation for them but trying to convince voters that you are getting changes done, They would be better off Just admitting the truth and saying we are broke lol.

13 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

I think people here are being a little unfair to Singh, and maybe over complicating things. Right now he has some measure of influence to do what people elected him to do. Under a CPC majority, he'll have none. I think it's that simple.

 

We saw how Layton and Mulcair had principles but were politically impotent under a Harper and/or Lib majority. Maybe Singh prefers to at least get some of what he wants. 

When Layton was the balance of power under the Martin government, he got significant things done. Singh has gotten nothing done because for the longest time I think Trudeau hoped he would pull his support and he would attempt to get a majority government. Singh needs right now to be making serious demands and requests, knowing that Trudeau has no choice but to give him what he wants. Because as it stands right now it wouldn't matter if Jag was the leader of the opposition in a conservative majority government or the junior partner in this coalition that hasn't benefited him or his party at all in my opinion.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[Bob Long]

Just now, Ryan Strome said:

That's exactly what it is. The party was near bankrupt. I pretty much was a no win situation for them but trying to convince voters that you are getting changed done. They would be better off. Just admitting the truth and saying we are broke lol.

When Layton was the balance of power under the Martin government, he got significant things done. Singh has gotten nothing done because for the longest time I think Trudeau hoped he would pull his support and he would attempt to get a majority government. Singh needs right now to be making serious demands in requests, knowing that Trudeau has no choice but to give him what he wants. Because as it stands right now it wouldn't matter if Jag was the leader of the opposition in a conservative majority government or the junior partner in this coalition that hasn't benefited him or his party at all in my opinion.

 

is it "nothing" tho? what success did Layton have other than helping to get Harper elected?

 

its also a choice to not put PP in power right now. I mean, why the hell would he do that? it matters a lot who's in power. 

 

I agree Singh could be pushing harder, e.g., I'd like to see ranked ballot come back. 

[Ryan Strome]

11 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

its also about not having other programs clawed back as well. We all know what PP would do to programs NDP supporters care about. 

This statement is actually incorrect in my opinion. Let's be honest here how many things have ever been rolled back that are popular? If the new government comes in and the decision from the NDP got put into place under the liberal government and it was popular. PP would have no choice but to leave it in place. It would be political suicide to do otherwise. Do you think Harper supported universal health Care? Do you think he supported a woman's right to choose? Do you think he supported gay marriage? Do you think he supported a five shot magazine cap? I would argue he didn't support any of these things but they were popular throughout the country so he kept them all in place just like what would happen if Jag got something popular done.