Canadian Politics Thread

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

is it "nothing" tho? what success did Layton have other than helping to get Harper elected?

 

its also a choice to not put PP in power right now. I mean, why the hell would he do that? it matters a lot who's in power. 

 

I agree Singh could be pushing harder, e.g., I'd like to see ranked ballot come back. 

Layton? Man he got like 10 billion dollars in a back room deal for Canadians so that he wouldn't collapse the government. That was money The liberals and conservatives said wasn't available yet Still ran a surplus after...

 

Wtf did you just paint me into a corner where I'm defending the socialists?

Edited October 7, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Layton? Man he got like 10 billion dollars in a back room deal for Canadians so that he wouldn't collapse the government. That was money The liberals and conservatives said wasn't available yet Still ran a surplus after...

 

Wtf did you just paint me into a corner where I'm defending the socialists?

 

[Ryan Strome]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

I shall never show my face again. Please don't let @Warhippy see this.

[Bob Long]

7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

This statement is actually incorrect in my opinion. Let's be honest here how many things have ever been rolled back that are popular? If the new government comes in and the decision from the NDP got put into place under the liberal government and it was popular. PP would have no choice but to leave it in place. It would be political suicide to do otherwise. Do you think Harper supported universal health Care? Do you think he supported a woman's right to choose? Do you think he supported gay marriage? Do you think he supported a five shot magazine cap? I would argue he didn't support any of these things but they were popular throughout the country so he kept them all in place just like what would happen if Jag got something popular done.

 

I do think Poilievre would happily claw back new social programs in the name of taming "justinflation". 

 

I think Harper was a lot smarter and more capable than PP. And it pains me to say that, believe me. Harper had a tight control over his party, PP not so much. PP seems to revel in pandering to the worst of the base, Harper kept a lid on that much of the time.

 

But its all theoretical. I have a great dislike of Skippy. 

[moosehead]

8 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I don't know if you've seen; grocery prices, gas prices, the housing market, interest rates, or what's in the news the last while - saluting literal WW2 nazis, foreign interfence in elections, global media companies (google, FB, Insta, exc.) blocking Canadians from accessing news on their platforms due to a recent bill, exc. exc. - but things haven't exactly been progressing in a positive direction for the average Canadian imo.

 

My original point was that maybe these people (in all the parties) aren't automatically honorable & we shouldn't pre-emptively valorize them while they take advantage of us & our system.

 

But hey if we want to keep believing that 1 single vote every 4 years in a country of 40 million is somehow adequate autonomy or accountability then fine.

 

Defacing Terry Fox statue,  Using Profanity laced anti Trudeau message in front of our kids., blocking border crossings,  occupying downtowns, blaring truck horns..... and plotting to murder RCMP......      No i do not agree these are acceptable behaviours in my Canada.       I think democracy and abiding by laws is a better approach.

 

PP's support for breaking Canadian laws in very concerning just one more reason why no one in my family will vote for his party. 

 

By the way, have you travelled to any other countries latey.  You do realize that inflation and high housing costs are not uniquely canadian issues.. these are issues affecting all countries right now.   

Edited October 7, 2023 by moosehead

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

25 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

jail would be sufficient for her. She's nuts. 

 

I'm thinking long term here.  Stripping her of citizenship and sending her back to .ph would ensure she doesn't continue to drain Canandian resources.  Letting her fester in jail means that at some point she'll come back out and continue to throw shit at walls to see what sticks.

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

I'm thinking long term here.  Stripping her of citizenship and sending her back to .ph would ensure she doesn't continue to drain Canandian resources.  Letting her fester in jail means that at some point she'll come back out and continue to throw shit at walls to see what sticks.

 

ugh. I'm in the once you are Canadian, you are Canadian for life camp. Even if you're nuts. 

 

maybe she'll get the help she needs in jail. 

[Gurn]

7 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

maybe she'll get the help she needs in jail. 

One would hope so, as our jails/prison are supposed to be about more, than just keeping people locked up for a while.

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Gurn said:

One would hope so, as our jails/prison are supposed to be about more, than just keeping people locked up for a while.

 

maybe if she just learns some boundaries? she's out of control. 

[Bob Long]

8 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

But hey if we want to keep believing that 1 single vote every 4 years in a country of 40 million is somehow adequate autonomy or accountability then fine.

 

what would be better?

[Ryan Strome]

15 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

Guess it's too late to strip her of citizenship and ship her back to the land of Marcos Jr., eh?

Oh I think you forgot the message

Justin Trudeau -- a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

what would be better?

Alberta separating and annexing BC save for Surrey.

[Bob Long]

7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Oh I think you forgot the message

Justin Trudeau -- a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.

 

That's an important promise to our immigrants and why we get the best people for the most part. It would be a shame if we let a few scumbags dictate our immigration policy.

[Smashian Kassian]

16 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

what would be better?

 

De-centralization of power & legitimate consequences for politicians (though I admit the latter is likely impossible).

 

It (the former atleast) affords more opportunity for influence amongst the population, and incentivizes political interest/action amongst the population. 

 

16 hours ago, moosehead said:

 

Defacing Terry Fox statue,  Using Profanity laced anti Trudeau message in front of our kids., blocking border crossings,  occupying downtowns, blaring truck horns..... and plotting to murder RCMP......      No i do not agree these are acceptable behaviours in my Canada.       I think democracy and abiding by laws is a better approach.

 

PP's support for breaking Canadian laws in very concerning just one more reason why no one in my family will vote for his party. 

 

By the way, have you travelled to any other countries latey.  You do realize that inflation and high housing costs are not uniquely canadian issues.. these are issues affecting all countries right now.   

 

But politicians aren't above the law? How is this even possible in our country? For politicians of leading parties to break or advocate breaking the law in a law-abiding country with clear laws, a supreme court on-top of levels of courts underneath, and a charter of human rights?

 

Aren't they supposed to be accountable to us? We vote on them after-all right, 1 vote amongst 40 million. 

 

Again, even by your own criticism, these people are perfectly able to side against our laws (if not break them outright), and the average individual in our country is nearly powerless to influence their hold on their position when they do it. I don't even need to bring up any issues with the Libs the last 8 years, you've made the point yourself.

 

Yes the global economy is suffering due to the pandemic & the fallout of it, your absolutely right. But not all countries choose to further tax their population into poverty, eliminate news access on mainstream platforms, or salute literal Nazi's. Nvm this whole india affair, nvm the still unresolved chinese interference issue, exc. 

 

We are a laughing stock, and given we are a representative democracy each with our vote, its on all of us.

[Bob Long]

6 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

De-centralization of power & legitimate consequences for politicians (though I admit the latter is likely impossible).

 

It (the former atleast) affords more opportunity for influence amongst the population, and incentivizes political interest/action amongst the population. 

 

 

you know, we do kind of have that in Canada. The provinces and cities have a ton of power, much more than the feds in many cases when it comes to your daily living issues.

 

Sure we vote 1/4 years for the feds, but we get many voting opportunities provincially and municipally, and many opportunities to get involved and help guide policy, particularly at the municipal level. 

 

6 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

But politicians aren't above the law? How is this even possible in our country? For politicians of leading parties to break or advocate breaking the law in a law-abiding country with clear laws, a supreme court on-top of levels of courts underneath, and a charter of human rights?

 

Aren't they supposed to be accountable to us? We vote on them after-all right, 1 vote amongst 40 million. 

 

Again, even by your own criticism, these people are perfectly able to side against our laws (if not break them outright), and the average individual in our country is nearly powerless to influence their hold on their position when they do it. I don't even need to bring up any issues with the Libs the last 8 years, you've made the point yourself.

 

Yes the global economy is suffering due to the pandemic & the fallout of it, your absolutely right. But not all countries choose to further tax their population into poverty, eliminate news access on mainstream platforms, or salute literal Nazi's. Nvm this whole india affair, nvm the still unresolved chinese interference issue, exc. 

 

We are a laughing stock, and given we are a representative democracy each with our vote, its on all of us.

 

who cares if some other country thinks something is funny? part of being a mature country is to not GAF what others think or overreact. Every country goes through periods of silly shit. 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Bob Long

[moosehead]

8 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

 

Yes the global economy is suffering due to the pandemic & the fallout of it, your absolutely right. But not all countries choose to further tax their population into poverty, eliminate news access on mainstream platforms, or salute literal Nazi's. Nvm this whole india affair, nvm the still unresolved chinese interference issue, exc. 

 

 

 

Sorry but do some research.  Canada does not even make the list for countries with   highest tax rates.  

 

You need to travel more and see what is like in other countries.       If you want to live in a country with lower taxes, move to  the USA.   You get what you pay for....

Edited October 8, 2023 by moosehead

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

you know, we do kind of have that in Canada. The provinces and cities have a ton of power, much more than the feds in many cases when it comes to your daily living issues.

 

Sure we vote 1/4 years for the feds, but we get many voting opportunities provincially and municipally, and many opportunities to get involved and help guide policy, particularly at the municipal level. 

 

 

who cares if some other country thinks something is funny? part of being a mature country is to not GAF what others think or overreact. Every country goes through periods of silly shit. 

 

 

Good to hear you Jimmy. As a fiscal conservative what disturbs me most about today's politics is the disregard of simple finance. There are global forces at work that do not bode well for the majority of countries, Canada included. The two that come to mind are global debt and a shrinking demographic. Economic growth used to shield us from such threats. The growth might continue but not so much in the G7 countries. 

 

In Canada the level and depth of discourse continues to delude Canadians no matter their political persuasion. The left makes unfunded social promises and the right claims they can return society into balance. IMHO Trudeau and Sigh have spent Canada into ruin. PP is riding high in the polls because he claims he can 'fix' things. I suggest he probably cannot but I will likely vote for him because he will do less damage. 

 

Canadians have more faith in our institutions than I. CPP is not fully funded and this will be particularly true if Alberta pulls out. Climbing debt will reduce expenditure on social programing. Most of us have first hand knowledge of how the health care system has failed family or friends. It is being rationed and yet there is no serious action being taken. Capital has been leaving Canada for many years now and yet Canadians don't seem to understand how that will cost them. Industry mirrors the people as they line up for government handouts. 

 

Why aren't politicians taking time to conduct Town Halls across the country to explain to people the challenges we face and hear from the people what they are experiencing? Take the BS out of the equation and talk seriously about how Canada will fund its' future. Income vs expenditure. No more BS and kicking the issues down the road. A $ of Canadian GDP does not equal a $ of USA GDP. The Americans know they are in trouble and are meeting across their country to address it. We are not.  

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

Good to hear you Jimmy. As a fiscal conservative what disturbs me most about today's politics is the disregard of simple finance. There are global forces at work that do not bode well for the majority of countries, Canada included. The two that come to mind are global debt and a shrinking demographic. Economic growth used to shield us from such threats. The growth might continue but not so much in the G7 countries. 

 

In Canada the level and depth of discourse continues to delude Canadians no matter their political persuasion. The left makes unfunded social promises and the right claims they can return society into balance. IMHO Trudeau and Sigh have spent Canada into ruin. PP is riding high in the polls because he claims he can 'fix' things. I suggest he probably cannot but I will likely vote for him because he will do less damage. 

 

Canadians have more faith in our institutions than I. CPP is not fully funded and this will be particularly true if Alberta pulls out. Climbing debt will reduce expenditure on social programing. Most of us have first hand knowledge of how the health care system has failed family or friends. It is being rationed and yet there is no serious action being taken. Capital has been leaving Canada for many years now and yet Canadians don't seem to understand how that will cost them. Industry mirrors the people as they line up for government handouts. 

 

Why aren't politicians taking time to conduct Town Halls across the country to explain to people the challenges we face and hear from the people what they are experiencing? Take the BS out of the equation and talk seriously about how Canada will fund its' future. Income vs expenditure. No more BS and kicking the issues down the road. A $ of Canadian GDP does not equal a $ of USA GDP. The Americans know they are in trouble and are meeting across their country to address it. We are not.  

 

thanks, glad everyone seems to have migrated to this new site. 

 

I agree with you on nearly all of this. Not the voting for Poili part . 

 

We aren't, and haven't for a long time, had a meaningful national discussion on Canada's economy and where it's going. I see lost opportunities all over the place in Canada, but I'm hopeful that the renewed interest in rare earth mining and EV battery production could start to change that a bit. But we're failing to capitalize on so many other areas its really hard to watch. I suspect we'll see a brain drain to the US if they can get over their political issues into more stability.

 

I'm less worried about the CPP, it is well run if underfunded at the moment. AB pulling out is a silly idea, even to most Albertans. That would end very badly for all sides, it would go through years of fighting, end up in the supreme court, and the feds could even ignore the ruling with the notwithstanding clause. Its just a very bad idea.

 

One of the reasons I can't vote for the CPC/PP is the focus on the social/divisive stuff. I really want to see a centre party focused on innovation and proper finances. The Centre Ice thing is pretty interesting to me. 

 

 

[Optimist Prime]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

Sure we vote 1/4 years for the feds, but we get many voting opportunities provincially and municipally, and many opportunities to get involved and help guide policy, particularly at the municipal level. 

Canadians seem largely unaware that the most important votes happen at the city council/mayor and even more importantly at the Regional District levels of governance. I have studied this over the years and roughly 10% of the votes cast in a federal or Provincial election are cast at the Regional District level. I did the math the last time my area had a Regional District Director election and If only my adult relatives all vote for me i could have won if i was running. That is how little Canadians really care about governance of their day to day lives: but every one of those non voters will scream blue murder if the elected clown does something they dont like 

 

EDIT: now I am really curious how many of teh Freedom Cowboys at the Ottawa Occupation voted in their local Regional Director elections. I am going to strait up guess 5%, about half the 'at large' segment of the population. 

[The Lock]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

thanks, glad everyone seems to have migrated to this new site. 

 

I agree with you on nearly all of this. Not the voting for Poili part . 

 

We aren't, and haven't for a long time, had a meaningful national discussion on Canada's economy and where it's going. I see lost opportunities all over the place in Canada, but I'm hopeful that the renewed interest in rare earth mining and EV battery production could start to change that a bit. But we're failing to capitalize on so many other areas its really hard to watch. I suspect we'll see a brain drain to the US if they can get over their political issues into more stability.

 

I'm less worried about the CPP, it is well run if underfunded at the moment. AB pulling out is a silly idea, even to most Albertans. That would end very badly for all sides, it would go through years of fighting, end up in the supreme court, and the feds could even ignore the ruling with the notwithstanding clause. Its just a very bad idea.

 

One of the reasons I can't vote for the CPC/PP is the focus on the social/divisive stuff. I really want to see a centre party focused on innovation and proper finances. The Centre Ice thing is pretty interesting to me. 

 

I will say, I'm currently in tech looking for work, and the difference in wages between Canada and the states is definately there. I think this observation is important because it's another missed opportunity. People like me end up in the states more often than not because, while we do have tech jobs here in Canada, it's not nearly on the same level of compete and I do believe we can do better.

 

We have an opportunity to jump on tech, which is always evolving, yet we don't do it enough.

Edited October 8, 2023 by The Lock

[Optimist Prime]

^ I know victoria has a thriving tech industry, many employers paying decent wages, but I am unfamiliar with the Prince George area. I wonder if there are any fulfillment warehouses up there that need IT help for instance?

[The Lock]

1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said:

^ I know victoria has a thriving tech industry, many employers paying decent wages, but I am unfamiliar with the Prince George area. I wonder if there are any fulfillment warehouses up there that need IT help for instance?

 

Let me put it this way: if I type in Prince George and tech jobs in a search bar of a job site... I mostly get remote jobs. lol

Edited October 8, 2023 by The Lock

[Ryan Strome]

Just now, The Lock said:

 

Let me put it this way: if I type in Prince George and tech jobs... I mostly get remote jobs. lol

Let me put it this way, just say no to PG!!

[Optimist Prime]

Just now, The Lock said:

 

Let me put it this way: if I type in Prince George and tech jobs in a search bar of a job site... I mostly get remote jobs. lol

yeah i figured. My brother in law in Vic is in app development and monetization, he just bought a 1.2 million place built to his liking. A couple friends work doing coding for an offshoot of EA and another works for a small Microsoft office, all in victoria, i would hazard to guess not so much in PG

[Rook]

On 10/7/2023 at 11:03 AM, Ryan Strome said:

Alberta separating and annexing BC save for Surrey.

We don’t want to be any part of BertaBama