Bob Long Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Is that the Volkswagen deal? VW sure spotted a sucker didn't they? I'm really happy about the investments - we should be leading on this stuff. AB should be the hydrogen capital of North America too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: I'm really happy about the investments - we should be leading on this stuff. AB should be the hydrogen capital of North America too. 1) sure we can agree on investments for future growth and jobs it's just that wasn't a well negotiated deal from Canada's perspective. 2) that is the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: 1) sure we can agree on investments for future growth and jobs it's just that wasn't a well negotiated deal from Canada's perspective. Yea that pp's spin. We shall see. 1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said: 2) that is the plan. Good, it just makes so much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Just now, Bob Long said: Yea that pp's spin. We shall see. Good, it just makes so much sense. No man nothing to do with any opposition figure. It wasn't a good deal for Canada. It was an amazing deal for Volkswagen. It doesn't matter though it's done. It's like one of those things if you pay a little too much for a vehicle but you got the vehicle you wanted. So what does it matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-pension-plan-board-says-alberta-pension-exit-consults-are-biased-manipulative/ar-AA1ioMl3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7672565d5ab246729637498e75652e02&ei=9 " EDMONTON — The board of the Canada Pension Plan says Alberta’s consultation with its citizens on quitting the CPP is not a straightforward fact-finding exercise but rather a biased manipulation of public opinion. Alberta Finance Minister Nate Horner, in response, says he welcomes all feedback but says the CPP is not an innocent bystander given the disproportionately large share of assets it accrues from his province. The CPP launched its criticisms of Alberta’s pension exit public survey and advertising campaign in a letter Tuesday to Jim Dinning, the heading of a panel collecting public input on whether Alberta should leave the CPP. “We respectfully want to flag to you as head of the panel some troubling elements that in our view undermine the transparency, fairness, and integrity of the consultation process that has been put forward to the public so far,” Michel Leduc, the senior managing director of the CPP Investment Board, writes to Dinning. Leduc focuses on the government’s online survey that was launched Sept. 21, the same day Premier Danielle Smith announced the debate on creating a stand-alone Alberta pension plan. That day, Smith released a third-party report from pension analyst LifeWorks that calculated Alberta deserves more than half the $575 billion in CPP assets and could deliver higher payouts and lower contribution rates. The government survey does not ask Albertans if they want to leave the CPP but rather asks them preferences on setting up the Alberta plan. Dinning told a telephone town hall Monday that this is, by design, saying the first step is to find out what Albertans want to see in a stand-alone plan. Critics, including callers on Monday’s town hall, called the approach unfair. The CPPIB, in its letter, said a third-party market research firm it contracted to analyze the survey also determined it failed to meet the basic standards of public consultation. The report by Innovative Research Group said the survey gives respondents an uncontextualized rosy picture of benefits for Albertans based on one report while failing to report the risks or potential downside of Alberta going it alone. “In the absence of providing any information surrounding the potential risks of a proposed APP to Albertans, the (Dinning) panel has failed to meet their mandated commitments and does not meet the basic principles for meaningful public consultation,” wrote Innovative. Leduc added, “The survey is unfortunately formulated to direct opinions rather than seek them.” Leduc said the same problem arises with the government’s $7.5-million advertising rollout to educate Albertans on the pension debate. Again, he said, the advertising promises great returns while not mentioning the risk, calling it “undisguised in its bias toward the (Alberta Pension Plan).” He told Dinning, “To ask people their views informed solely by this one-sided presentation is, we hope you would agree, incompatible with the honest and open survey of public attitudes we hope you will undertake.” The Innovative Research Group said recent comments by Horner have contributed to the question of whether the process is fair. It noted Horner said last week the government would not accept an Alberta pension plan using the Quebec investment model despite Smith saying it would be considered. Horner’s department now says the Quebec model is back on the table but hasn’t said why. The Innovative report said Horner’s comment suggests the fix is in on how the pension plan will be structured and “implies the Alberta government is not taking the consultation process seriously.” The CPPIB is asking to speak to Dinning’s panel and to Albertans to present its views, numbers and risks linked to Alberta leaving CPP. The CPPIB has estimated if Alberta left, it would receive about 16 per cent of the CPP’s assets. Horner, in a statement, said he encourages debate but wants to see some hard, verified numbers. “The CPPIB has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, given Alberta’s significant share of the assets they invest,” said Horner. “I am frustrated that while the CPPIB has not hesitated to publicly criticize the LifeWorks report, they have yet to provide any evidence refuting its findings. “If CPPIB has its own expert actuarial analysis on the creation of an Alberta pension plan, I would be eager to see it.” Dinning’s panel is to gather public opinion for the next few months, then submit a recommendation to Smith in the spring on whether there is a public appetite in Alberta for a stand-alone pension. If there is, Smith said the issue will go to a referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Trudeau chides Smith for pension exit debate, promises to defend stability of CPP https://canoe.com/news/national/trudeau-chides-smith-for-pension-exit-debate-promises-to-defend-stability-of-cpp/wcm/177a799a-55c7-47ac-a388-6b55405772cd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 20 hours ago, Gurn said: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-pension-plan-board-says-alberta-pension-exit-consults-are-biased-manipulative/ar-AA1ioMl3?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7672565d5ab246729637498e75652e02&ei=9 " EDMONTON — The board of the Canada Pension Plan says Alberta’s consultation with its citizens on quitting the CPP is not a straightforward fact-finding exercise but rather a biased manipulation of public opinion. Alberta Finance Minister Nate Horner, in response, says he welcomes all feedback but says the CPP is not an innocent bystander given the disproportionately large share of assets it accrues from his province. The CPP launched its criticisms of Alberta’s pension exit public survey and advertising campaign in a letter Tuesday to Jim Dinning, the heading of a panel collecting public input on whether Alberta should leave the CPP. “We respectfully want to flag to you as head of the panel some troubling elements that in our view undermine the transparency, fairness, and integrity of the consultation process that has been put forward to the public so far,” Michel Leduc, the senior managing director of the CPP Investment Board, writes to Dinning. Leduc focuses on the government’s online survey that was launched Sept. 21, the same day Premier Danielle Smith announced the debate on creating a stand-alone Alberta pension plan. That day, Smith released a third-party report from pension analyst LifeWorks that calculated Alberta deserves more than half the $575 billion in CPP assets and could deliver higher payouts and lower contribution rates. The government survey does not ask Albertans if they want to leave the CPP but rather asks them preferences on setting up the Alberta plan. Dinning told a telephone town hall Monday that this is, by design, saying the first step is to find out what Albertans want to see in a stand-alone plan. Critics, including callers on Monday’s town hall, called the approach unfair. The CPPIB, in its letter, said a third-party market research firm it contracted to analyze the survey also determined it failed to meet the basic standards of public consultation. The report by Innovative Research Group said the survey gives respondents an uncontextualized rosy picture of benefits for Albertans based on one report while failing to report the risks or potential downside of Alberta going it alone. “In the absence of providing any information surrounding the potential risks of a proposed APP to Albertans, the (Dinning) panel has failed to meet their mandated commitments and does not meet the basic principles for meaningful public consultation,” wrote Innovative. Leduc added, “The survey is unfortunately formulated to direct opinions rather than seek them.” Leduc said the same problem arises with the government’s $7.5-million advertising rollout to educate Albertans on the pension debate. Again, he said, the advertising promises great returns while not mentioning the risk, calling it “undisguised in its bias toward the (Alberta Pension Plan).” He told Dinning, “To ask people their views informed solely by this one-sided presentation is, we hope you would agree, incompatible with the honest and open survey of public attitudes we hope you will undertake.” The Innovative Research Group said recent comments by Horner have contributed to the question of whether the process is fair. It noted Horner said last week the government would not accept an Alberta pension plan using the Quebec investment model despite Smith saying it would be considered. Horner’s department now says the Quebec model is back on the table but hasn’t said why. The Innovative report said Horner’s comment suggests the fix is in on how the pension plan will be structured and “implies the Alberta government is not taking the consultation process seriously.” The CPPIB is asking to speak to Dinning’s panel and to Albertans to present its views, numbers and risks linked to Alberta leaving CPP. The CPPIB has estimated if Alberta left, it would receive about 16 per cent of the CPP’s assets. Horner, in a statement, said he encourages debate but wants to see some hard, verified numbers. “The CPPIB has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, given Alberta’s significant share of the assets they invest,” said Horner. “I am frustrated that while the CPPIB has not hesitated to publicly criticize the LifeWorks report, they have yet to provide any evidence refuting its findings. “If CPPIB has its own expert actuarial analysis on the creation of an Alberta pension plan, I would be eager to see it.” Dinning’s panel is to gather public opinion for the next few months, then submit a recommendation to Smith in the spring on whether there is a public appetite in Alberta for a stand-alone pension. If there is, Smith said the issue will go to a referendum. Amazing that when LifeWorks was known as Morneau Chapel it was a Baystreet darling. Yes the same family of Morneau's of our former Finance Minister. Now that Telus owns the company it has suddenly become incompetent and baised. Ultimately whatever Alberta decides on their pension plan it will be by a referendum either specific to the subject or a general election. In the mean time the eastern press will use their standard PR campaign to slag Alberta. Premier Smith is fair game for every slur and epitaph that attacks her. Yet our Federal Finance minister is incensed and demands a body guard when she recieves similar treatment. I think most Albertans realize that when it is their turn to collect CPP that no money will be coming back to them from Ottawa. CPP is not fully funded and the demographic will not support it well enough for it ever to be fully funded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bishopshodan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Why are there so many Harper ads popping up for me? i dont click on ads but I am curious, why is he in the ads? is he up to something? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Why are there so many Harper ads popping up for me? i dont click on ads but I am curious, why is he in the ads? is he up to something? I suppose they think people miss his brand of conservatism ? PP will bring it back maybe? Dunno. The ads are weird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Why are there so many Harper ads popping up for me? i dont click on ads but I am curious, why is he in the ads? is he up to something? Ads or clickbait nonsense? I see a bunch of the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just now, Shift-4 said: Ads or clickbait nonsense? I see a bunch of the latter. But why are they digging up Harper? Isn't he in the rearview mirror? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 16 hours ago, Boudrias said: Amazing that when LifeWorks was known as Morneau Chapel it was a Baystreet darling. Yes the same family of Morneau's of our former Finance Minister. Now that Telus owns the company it has suddenly become incompetent and baised. Ultimately whatever Alberta decides on their pension plan it will be by a referendum either specific to the subject or a general election. In the mean time the eastern press will use their standard PR campaign to slag Alberta. Premier Smith Do you really think bay st leans left tho? 16 hours ago, Boudrias said: I think most Albertans realize that when it is their turn to collect CPP that no money will be coming back to them from Ottawa. CPP is not fully funded and the demographic will not support it well enough for it ever to be fully funded. I see this statement a lot now and I think it's a bit misleading. All pension plans are partially funded, meaning some money comes from investment and some from monthly payments from workers. The CPP is recognized as a very well run portfolio. It doesn't make sense to me why it's a point of contention for Albertans. The idea that they are owed 1/2 is ridiculous tho and won't happen they have no means of collecting that from the rest of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I suppose they think people miss his brand of conservatism ? PP will bring it back maybe? Dunno. The ads are weird oh . maybe holding on to some perceived past glory or maybe saying he is still pulling some strings...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, bishopshodan said: But why are they digging up Harper? Isn't he in the rearview mirror? no idea I'm not a sucker for clickbait.........well unless there are ti..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: oh . maybe holding on to some perceived past glory or maybe saying he is still pulling some strings...? Something like that. His name pops up enough still that people know he's still around. CPC members still love him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/greg-fergus-poilievre-scheer-decorum-analysis-wherry-1.7000755 It's too bad that despite the best efforts of the new Speaker of the House of Commons trying to bring about more decorum to the halls of our democracy, that he still gets heckled in a partisan way by the Official Opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/greg-fergus-poilievre-scheer-decorum-analysis-wherry-1.7000755 It's too bad that despite the best efforts of the new Speaker of the House of Commons trying to bring about more decorum to the halls of our democracy, that he still gets heckled in a partisan way by the Official Opposition. He really needs to be empowered with the ability to kick out an MP who is refusing to follow the rules. We know damn well that PP isn't going to conduct himself appropriately voluntarily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 So the week of Sept. 18 to 22 saw a significant increase in the number of emails received. 5,464 vs an average of 3468. The overwhelming majority of emails about the APP are not supportive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 22 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: So the week of Sept. 18 to 22 saw a significant increase in the number of emails received. 5,464 vs an average of 3468. The overwhelming majority of emails about the APP are not supportive. 12FF02FC-F211-4450-BE47-F45246A387AC.mov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Well you know when PP and Justin are in alignment something must be a bad idea. PP blaming Trudeau for Smiths bad idea is really quite funny, but it also demonstrates what I say a lot, Western Alienation is a toxic victim mentality that just hurts the west and produces stupid ideas. Danielle Smith's pension trifecta: Trudeau, Notley and Poilievre agree on something It's not clear if Pierre Poilievre had already devised a position on Alberta's proposed quitting of the Canada Pension Plan, but the Conservative leader issued one barely a day after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau proclaimed his own stance. The Liberals' unusually forceful opposition to Alberta Premier Danielle Smith's pension ambition has doubled as a political wedge against Poilievre. Alongside trying to criticize the CPP-weakening gambit itself, Liberals applied pressure on Conservatives to squeeze their leader through one of three doors: Lend support to Smith's Alberta Pension Plan withdrawal; Oppose the Conservative premier's ambition; or Be cool, quiet and neutral, like some minor alpine lake in Switzerland. Every option had its downsides, even the Swiss one, given that Liberals had begun hectoring in Question Period and scrums that the Conservatives' passive silence amounted to tacit approval of the giant rock Smith threatened to throw at CPP, that large placid lake of a federal institution. So which door, and which demons on the other side, would Poilievre choose? He picked Door Number 2, leavening the conservative-against-conservative friction by yelling "Trudeau sucks!" as he crossed the threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gurn Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1- create a problem that doesn't exist 2-make up bull carp numbers to support the 'victimhood' 3- create a 'solution' to a problem that didn't exist 4 distract attention from actual problems 5- win? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Gurn said: 1- create a problem that doesn't exist 2-make up bull carp numbers to support the 'victimhood' 3- create a 'solution' to a problem that didn't exist 4 distract attention from actual problems 5- win? The real problem his how much of the population is failing for this crap... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Gurn said: 1- create a problem that doesn't exist 2-make up bull carp numbers to support the 'victimhood' 3- create a 'solution' to a problem that didn't exist 4 distract attention from actual problems 5- profit fixed this for you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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