Canadian Politics Thread

[Alflives]

Just now, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

 

Look around the country. There is no hate or bigotry. It's parents tired of government over reach. Teachers are public servants. Well the public has spoken 

 

Transgenderism should not be taught to elementary and middle school kids. Their minds can't comprehend it.

 

Can the kids’ minds comprehend accepting others who appear to be different? 
Again, IMHAO you’re conflating a dislike of a political party with teaching kids about accepting those who appear different. 
How is it in anyway bad to teach kids about accepting others? 

[stawns]

Just now, Alflives said:

Can the kids’ minds comprehend accepting others who appear to be different? 
Again, IMHAO you’re conflating a dislike of a political party with teaching kids about accepting those who appear different. 
How is it in anyway bad to teach kids about accepting others? 

[King Heffy]

5 minutes ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

 

Look around the country. There is no hate or bigotry. It's parents tired of government over reach. Teachers are public servants. Well the public has spoken 

 

Transgenderism should not be taught to elementary and middle school kids. Their minds can't comprehend it.

 

And yet the majority of people in a public forum seem to disagree quite strongly.  Are the rest of us able to speak now or are the malcontents the only ones with a right to voice their opinion?

[Warhippy]

9 minutes ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

 

Look around the country. There is no hate or bigotry. It's parents tired of government over reach. Teachers are public servants. Well the public has spoken 

 

Transgenderism should not be taught to elementary and middle school kids. Their minds can't comprehend it.

 

You claim kids minds can't comprehend it yet you have been unable to provide a single shred or scrap of evidence to support your lies let alone have a civilized and intelligent discussion about this subject.

 

Looking at the crowds today on the anti sogi side of things, I agree that some minds are infantile and certainly can not handle it.  Kids though, they seem to be doing just fine despite their parents.  Luckily, some people who like to spread lies and misinformation have indicated or luckily only have their kids part time so they can not groom them in to hating their classmates because they are asking questions that others parents are not emotionally or intellectually equipped enough to deal with

[moosehead]

Growing up gay or trans is most certainly very difficult in many canadian communities.   It has no doubt led to mental health issues for many canadians.

 

It is time for all Canadians to become more knowledgeable of different lifestyles so we can be accepting / tolerant and welcoming - supportive.

 

Schools teach respect /  tolerance / compassion - these are values i think most of us want to see in all our kids.   

 

A certain segment in our society is trying politicize hate and intolerance.  Trying to use hate to band together voters .  This is despicable behaviour in my view. 

 

Canada is a wonderful country of love/respect  WILL   defeat hate / intolerance. 

[Inspector BlakeQuinn]

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Can the kids’ minds comprehend accepting others who appear to be different? 
Again, IMHAO you’re conflating a dislike of a political party with teaching kids about accepting those who appear different. 
How is it in anyway bad to teach kids about accepting others? 

Those children deserve a safe place. For sure. That's what the counselor is for.

 

It should be exempt from the standard curriculums though. It is highly sexualized and inappropriate imo.

[Warhippy]

3 minutes ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

Those children deserve a safe place. For sure. That's what the counselor is for.

 

It should be exempt from the standard curriculums though. It is highly sexualized and inappropriate imo.

Safe from adults standing outside threatening their educators and screaming obscenities at them about their genitals.  I agree.  That is why they have educators and counsellors.  It is again a shame that some adults to ill equipped to have these conversations or unwilling to understand threaten these educators and counselors

[Alflives]

Just now, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

Those children deserve a safe place. For sure. That's what the counselor is for.

 

It should be exempt from the standard curriculums though. It is highly sexualized and inappropriate imo.

I agree that teaching sex Ed is certainly a topic for debate. But I don’t think that’s what’s going on with our schools. Today’s stuff was about kids learning how some people are different from them and that’s okay. The kids are learning about accepting others. Sex Ed isn’t part of today. 
 

[Inspector BlakeQuinn]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Safe from adults standing outside threatening their educators and screaming obscenities at them about their genitals.  I agree.  That is why they have educators and counsellors.  It is again a shame that some adults to ill equipped to have these conversations or unwilling to understand threaten these educators and counselors

I never saw any of that.  Most protests had a political direction. Not at educators.

 

There's always going to be some bad apples you don't need to let them sour the real message 

[moosehead]

1 minute ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

I never saw any of that.  Most protests had a political direction. Not at educators.

 

There's always going to be some bad apples you don't need to let them sour the real message 

 

Hate / intolerance  is not message most of us want to give to our kids. Our kids deserve to see adults behaving as role models...   

Edited September 21, 2023 by moosehead

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

I never saw any of that.  Most protests had a political direction. Not at educators.

 

There's always going to be some bad apples you don't need to let them sour the real message 

The real message was that they are too ignorant to understand the curriculum and want everyone's children subjected to their disgusting beliefs.  Bottom line is not a single one of these protesters should be allowed within 500 ft of a school.

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I agree that teaching sex Ed is certainly a topic for debate. But I don’t think that’s what’s going on with our schools. Today’s stuff was about kids learning how some people are different from them and that’s okay. The kids are learning about accepting others. Sex Ed isn’t part of today. 
 

Of course we teach sexual health........that's been happening for 50 years, at least.

[Warhippy]

They're peaceful.  Until they aren't.

 

They aren't targeting teachers or schools.  Until they are

 

https://pressprogress.ca/far-right-activists-are-planning-an-anti-sex-ed-convoy-targeting-alberta-teachers-association-building/

 

This...is literally the stuff people believe and the type of person they believe in that is pushing it.

 

Seriously.  Read this story.  Pushed by "christian nationalists" targeting the SOGI agenda.  Yikes....

 

But they don't target teachers or schools

 

When it started, Larsen says she was in the middle of reading a statement condemning people’s behaviour at the past few board meetings, saying they were using question period as a platform to spread hate and misinformation.

“He started reciting anti-SOGI words, some vulgarity. At that time we were about 20 minutes into question period. I adjourned the meeting and left,” Larsen recalled, describing the actions of one of the protesters.

“There were a lot of insults. A lot of abusive language. They were shouting that folks were pedophiles in education. That was really upsetting,” added Bir.

Bir says about 20 teachers attended the meeting wearing rainbow colours.

“I was afraid. I was afraid for my colleagues,” she said. “It’s sad to think that our students, our members in schools, would have to even have that hate being spewed in those safe spaces.”

The disruption has forced the school district to consider changes to future meetings.

 

Some excerpts from people from today's "peaceful protests" across the nation

 

At one point, violence broke out, with CityNews witnessing a brief fight. It’s unclear what exactly prompted the scuffle, but it resulted in someone who appeared to be part of the anti-SOGI gathering getting apprehended by police.

 

In Ottawa, police said they arrested two people Wednesday for inciting hatred “by displaying hateful material,” along with another arrest for causing a disturbance.

 

Some placards from attendees associated LGBTQ+ people with mental illness and pedophilia.

 

Calgary Mayor Jyoti Gondek had a run-in with the demonstrators early Wednesday.

 

“This morning, so-called ‘save our children’ protestors swarmed my vehicle. The level of hate was chilling,” she said in a post on X Wednesday afternoon. “It did not shake my resolve to stand with 2SLGBTQ+ kids and their families. Calgary is a place of love and inclusion. Your hatred has no home here.”

 

And also

 

The Alberta Teachers’ Association said all students deserve to feel safe at school. But the teachers’ union noted an alarming increase in attacks on sexual and gender-diverse students and school staff, saying they “must be stopped.”

[4petesake]

10 minutes ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

 

 

Transgenderism should not be taught to elementary and middle school kids. Their minds can't comprehend it.

 

 

You seem to be confusing teaching kids acceptance and legal rights of lgbtq+ with indoctrination. These are not “how to” instructional courses or “come on over to our team” mixers.

 

I learned about masturbation as a hormonal pre-teen all on my own. Sex Ed in school didn’t coach me on technique, it just taught me that I wouldn’t grow hair on my palms and that I wasn’t abnormal and destined for an eternity in hell. Having someone validate your feelings and worth can mean the world to a young person struggling with body image and sexual identity. Ideally you could learn these things at home but sadly home isn’t a safe place for everyone. 

[moosehead]

9 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

They're peaceful.  Until they aren't.

 

 

About as safe as a Trucker Convoy protest in southern alberta.....

Nutters  attract even nuttier nutters.......

 

 

CBC

https://www.cbc.ca › news › canada › calgary › coutt...

 

Feb 14, 2022 — Alberta RCMP have arrested 13 people after finding weapons at a protest against pandemic restrictions. They say they had information that the group had access to a cache of firearms and ammunition in three trailers. Officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high-capacity firearm magazines. 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2023 by moosehead

[stawns]

51 minutes ago, Inspector BlakeQuinn said:

Those children deserve a safe place. For sure. That's what the counselor is for.

 

It should be exempt from the standard curriculums though. It is highly sexualized and inappropriate imo.

Did you read my post on the last page?  I explain it all very clearky.  It was a reply to you, so you would have got a notification

[Playoff Beered]

1 hour ago, moosehead said:

 

Its too bad your dad didn't have more lessons about masturbation when he was a kid in school.......

 

I have zero time for your hate..... and intolerance....   bigoted posts..

 

1 hour ago, Master Mind said:

To say this, right after the statement above it

 

[the destroyer of worlds]

Straight Lil Jimmy has as much chance turning gay from classroom materials as gay Lil Tommy has turning Straight from gay conversion therapy.   

 

The only indoctrination is the one done by guys in flamboyant outfits reading stories from the Bible. 

 

George Takie says hello.

 

FYI

 

Gay conversion therapy DOES NOT WORK.

Edited September 21, 2023 by the destroyer of worlds

[Playoff Beered]

48 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The real message was that they are too ignorant to understand the curriculum and want everyone's children subjected to their disgusting beliefs.  Bottom line is not a single one of these protesters should be allowed within 500 ft of a school.

That's the argument from both sides

[RupertKBD]

1 hour ago, Master Mind said:

You say that as if you think I'm fazed by people disagreeing with me

 

Complete miss of a post Rupert, I expect better.

 

Right. That's why you told your compadre not to bother responding.....because you're "unfazed".....

[The Duke]

1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

The real message was that they are too ignorant to understand the curriculum and want everyone's children subjected to their disgusting beliefs.  Bottom line is not a single one of these protesters should be allowed within 500 ft of a school.

Yeah, they simply want their beliefs taught instead of the ones they disagree with.  
 

And of course, it’s not a lazy “both sides” situation.  Gender identity and expression is protected in Canada.  Period.  Their existence and the validation of their existence cannot be infringed upon.  While religion is also protected, the existence (and validation) of trans people does not legally discriminate against people’s right to belief.  Simply put, their rights end where someone else’s begin. 
 

It’s not complicated - and why right wing politicians (at least the smart ones) are just shuffling their feet here.  They want to placate this base, but know that legally they don’t have anything to go on.

[Rusty Shackleford]

10 hours ago, stawns said:

exactly right.

 

I had a student who was already a maginalized person and I was one of their trusted adults.  I was the first one to know that they had same sex attraction and it was my role to just listen and support.  Later there was gender identity aspects added to that and though I advocated for them to disclose to their dad, they absolutely refused because he would have tossed them out.  I never mentioned it again, as it was their business, not mine, and I knew the dad was not a stable parent.

 

Ultimately, children have individual rights, just like adults do and we have to respect their bodily autonomy.  To me, a parent who questions that is an immediate red flag

 

I ran away from home in highschool and our VP knew.  He was also my P.E and leadership teacher and had him every year in highschool in one way or another.  We had a brief chat about it and he let me do my thing, didn't contact my parents or talk about it with anyone else..  He was a great role model for me when I was a shit head and didn't know the mental health things I was dealing with.  Always patient and wanting to talk things through.  Had another VP that was the opposite and wanted to be more of the tough guy, we all hated him.  Thanks for being the awesome teacher. 

 

RIP Mr. Bodin, thank you for being who you were.

[stawns]

6 hours ago, Rusty Shackleford said:

 

I ran away from home in highschool and our VP knew.  He was also my P.E and leadership teacher and had him every year in highschool in one way or another.  We had a brief chat about it and he let me do my thing, didn't contact my parents or talk about it with anyone else..  He was a great role model for me when I was a shit head and didn't know the mental health things I was dealing with.  Always patient and wanting to talk things through.  Had another VP that was the opposite and wanted to be more of the tough guy, we all hated him.  Thanks for being the awesome teacher. 

 

RIP Mr. Bodin, thank you for being who you were.

Same with me........my principal.in high school saw something in me no one else did when I was in deep trouble with a divorce and dealing with deep childhood trauma.  I barely went to school in grade 12 (though still got my work done) and when I did, I was an unpleasant person......I'd get called into the VP's office, get suspended and then the principal would bring me into his and reinstate me.

 

When I missed out on graduation for not having a certain credit and couldny go to post secondary, he contacted Okanagan College and convinced them to take me as an adult student.  I now have three degrees and get to pay it forward to every kid that goes through my school.

Edited September 21, 2023 by stawns

[Alflives]

9 hours ago, stawns said:

Of course we teach sexual health........that's been happening for 50 years, at least.

Yup. We do and that’s good.  I can understand, though, how some parents don’t want their kids being involved in sex Ed taught at school. And those parents (I’m guessing here) likely can opt their kids out of that class. And doing so only affects their child’s learning and doesn’t have anything to do with excluding others from participating in school. I don't understand (although I listen to) parents who don’t want their kids to learn about including everyone, like we saw yesterday. That (to me) harms our children and society. 

[Bob Long]

55 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Yup. We do and that’s good.  I can understand, though, how some parents don’t want their kids being involved in sex Ed taught at school. And those parents (I’m guessing here) likely can opt their kids out of that class. And doing so only affects their child’s learning and doesn’t have anything to do with excluding others from participating in school. I don't understand (although I listen to) parents who don’t want their kids to learn about including everyone, like we saw yesterday. That (to me) harms our children and society. 

 

lots of private and homeschool options for those folks. 

 

These parents don't care about the other kids in marginalized groups health and safety, they seem them as threats. My brother is one of these types. Fear is an easy tool to use on them.