Canadian Politics Thread

[4petesake]

7 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Oh of course that's a thing.  I forgot who we're dealing with 

 

Meanwhile, back to the veterans for the war on Christmas 

 

 

[4petesake]

 

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2023/11/oilers-struggles-blamed-on-carbon-tax/

 

 

HOCKEY

Oilers struggles blamed on carbon tax

12 HOURS AGO by H. CLAIR ( @ )

 

 

EDMONTON – With the pre-season Stanley Cup favourite Edmonton Oilersstruggling to develop momentum, Premier Danielle Smith blamed the team’s performance on the Liberal government’s carbon tax.

“Alberta’s capital has been suffering greatly under the Federal government’s hostile attitude to the oil industry, and one need look no further than our beloved hockey team,” the Premier to a raucous crowd of supporters. “We told you how Ottawa’s regulations will be a burden on Canadians’ wallets, and now Leon Draisaitl can’t even buy a goal!”

“Before the devastating carbon tax, the Oilers won five Stanley Cups”, Smith pointed out, “but since Trudeau introduced the carbon tax, they haven’t even made it to the finals. The numbers don’t lie.

Premier Smith continued by pointing out how the team has been suffering under “foolish” attempts to push for a carbon-neutral society. “They’ve been forcing us to switch wind and solar! Those seem great at first, but what happens when the air is calm, or the sky cloudy? I’ll tell you what happens: Evan Bouchard flies up the ice to join the rush, but when the puck goes the other way suddenly he doesn’t have the energy to pick up even the most basic defensive assignment!”

“It’s not like there’s some magical way for his body to store some kind of “backup” energy!”

When asked by reporters if the Oiler’s woes might be due to the health and performance of team captain Connor McDavid, the premier scoffed. “Are you trying to tell me that a professional organization would actually tie its success so strongly to the expected performance of one element; that if it suffers a setback the whole system falls apart? That would be unbelievably stupid”.

Asked if the Calgary Flames had been similarly afflicted, Smith replied “No, the Flames are just an objectively terrible hockey team.”

SEE MORE: ALBERTA, CARBON TAX, DANIELLE SMITH, EDMONTON, EDMONTON OILERS, HOCKEY, TRUDEAU

 

[Spur1]

5 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2023/11/oilers-struggles-blamed-on-carbon-tax/

 

 

HOCKEY

Oilers struggles blamed on carbon tax

12 HOURS AGO by H. CLAIR ( @ )

 

 

EDMONTON – With the pre-season Stanley Cup favourite Edmonton Oilersstruggling to develop momentum, Premier Danielle Smith blamed the team’s performance on the Liberal government’s carbon tax.

“Alberta’s capital has been suffering greatly under the Federal government’s hostile attitude to the oil industry, and one need look no further than our beloved hockey team,” the Premier to a raucous crowd of supporters. “We told you how Ottawa’s regulations will be a burden on Canadians’ wallets, and now Leon Draisaitl can’t even buy a goal!”

“Before the devastating carbon tax, the Oilers won five Stanley Cups”, Smith pointed out, “but since Trudeau introduced the carbon tax, they haven’t even made it to the finals. The numbers don’t lie.

Premier Smith continued by pointing out how the team has been suffering under “foolish” attempts to push for a carbon-neutral society. “They’ve been forcing us to switch wind and solar! Those seem great at first, but what happens when the air is calm, or the sky cloudy? I’ll tell you what happens: Evan Bouchard flies up the ice to join the rush, but when the puck goes the other way suddenly he doesn’t have the energy to pick up even the most basic defensive assignment!”

“It’s not like there’s some magical way for his body to store some kind of “backup” energy!”

When asked by reporters if the Oiler’s woes might be due to the health and performance of team captain Connor McDavid, the premier scoffed. “Are you trying to tell me that a professional organization would actually tie its success so strongly to the expected performance of one element; that if it suffers a setback the whole system falls apart? That would be unbelievably stupid”.

Asked if the Calgary Flames had been similarly afflicted, Smith replied “No, the Flames are just an objectively terrible hockey team.”

SEE MORE: ALBERTA, CARBON TAX, DANIELLE SMITH, EDMONTON, EDMONTON OILERS, HOCKEY, TRUDEAU

 

LMAO

[The Arrogant Worms]

 

[The Arrogant Worms]

 

[the destroyer of worlds]

 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-royal-canadian-mint-unveils-the-first-coins-bearing-the-face-of-king-charles-iii-1.6644708

The Royal Canadian Mint unveils the first coins bearing the face of King Charles III

 

 

 

The new Canadian coin depicting King Charles III was unveiled on Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2023.

Edited November 14, 2023 by the destroyer of worlds

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

8 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-royal-canadian-mint-unveils-the-first-coins-bearing-the-face-of-king-charles-iii-1.6644708

The Royal Canadian Mint unveils the first coins bearing the face of King Charles III

 

 

 

The new Canadian coin depicting King Charles III was unveiled on Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2023.

 

Those ears look... normal.

 

 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

31 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-royal-canadian-mint-unveils-the-first-coins-bearing-the-face-of-king-charles-iii-1.6644708

The Royal Canadian Mint unveils the first coins bearing the face of King Charles III

 

 

 

The new Canadian coin depicting King Charles III was unveiled on Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2023.

 

21 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

Those ears look... normal.

 

 

 

I think His Majesty wanted to weigh in too.

 

[RupertKBD]

Not sure about anyone else here, but I'm not a big fan of government overreach.....especially when it pushes a veteran (or anyone, for that matter) and his family out of their home:

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/10085131/soldier-and-family-left-houseless-in-battle-with-municipality/

 

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At this time of year Sgt. Zak McDermot-Fouts would normally be getting ready for Remembrance Day at CFB Shilo.

Instead, the two-tour Afghanistan veteran is living in his garage with no plumbing or running water while his wife and four young children are staying with family an hour away, after their home was seized on Oct. 30.

His parade uniform was packed away by strangers into a shipping container.

It’s the culmination of a decade-long fight with the RM of Whitehead over building permits and what the RM says are “safety concerns” with the family’s 2017 mobile home.

McDermot-Fouts said head-butting with the RM started when he and his wife bought the 139-acre property in 2014. Council records show he appeared six times between 2014 and  2016 trying to get approval to build their dream home, and farm on the land, but were rejected.

They eventually decided to sidestep the wait and built a garage, moving a mobile home on the property.

“We’ve been put in this position because of the delays that (the RM) put on us,” McDermot-Fouts said. The couple had already put off starting a family because of the delays.

Frustrated with the red tape, the military sergeant decided to run for office in 2022.

” I felt that maybe I could make things better by getting in as reeve.” he said. “Show them what leadership looks like and serve the community.”

He lost by 45 votes.

The situation continued and the RM cited safety concerns with the couple’s home, including lack of a hand rail on outside steps and covers missing from some electrical outlets. Letters to the couple warned that the home could be taken.

“They said they would remove the house and tear down our garage,” McDermot-Fouts said. “We’ve been living here for nine and a half years. It’s not that I didn’t take it seriously because I definitely did take it seriously. I just thought it would never get to this point because even if you can do something, it doesn’t mean that you should.”

He was out of town with their six and five year olds on Oct. 30 when he got word that the municipality along with the RCMP and a moving company were on the way.

“I was actually nursing the baby,” says his wife Nicole McDermot-Fouts who was home with the couple’s toddler and infant. “Zak called me with the heads up and I guess they were already at the gates. And by the time I got off the phone with him, they were at the front door.”

She was escorted out and could only watch from her car with a screaming baby as their home was packed up and hauled off.

“One of the movers was saying ‘I’m so sorry, I didn’t know we were doing this,'” she said.

Her husband points to the storage container that sits eight metres from where their home used to.

“They dropped the (storage container) right here so they could just fill it up,” McDermot-Fouts,

The couple is being billed for the move — and the RM’s legal fees. Nearly $20,000 according to a bill sent to the couple. They also face a $40,000 fine each for bylaw infractions.

The situation has rattled many in the community, including neighbour Bernice Hiebert.

“There’s total shock,” she says. “We can’t believe that a house would be taken away from a family. Overreach I call it.”

She started a fundraiser for the couple who are heading to court in their next round of battle with the municipality.

No one from the municipality would consent to be interviewed, but Global News received a statement from their lawyer saying, “Throughout the enforcement proceedings, the property owners were provided appropriate notice and all procedures were followed. Following denial of the property owner’s appeal to Council, the Municipality took enforcement proceedings in accordance with The Municipal Act, The Planning Act, bylaws and policies, to remove the unpermitted structure.”

On Thursday as McDermot-Fouts rifled through unmarked boxes in the storage unit, he found his military uniforms.

“Maybe I can go to Remembrance Day now,” he said.

 

 

[The Arrogant Worms]

3 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

 

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-royal-canadian-mint-unveils-the-first-coins-bearing-the-face-of-king-charles-iii-1.6644708

The Royal Canadian Mint unveils the first coins bearing the face of King Charles III

 

 

 

The new Canadian coin depicting King Charles III was unveiled on Tuesday, Nov. 14, 2023.

Not a fan....my Mom's family came over from England.  Get rid of them

[RupertKBD]

I realize that this is more or less the Trudeau bashing thread, but considering the BC tie-in, I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't been mentioned:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/trudeau-eby-announce-1-billion-battery-plant-in-maple-ridge-b-c/ar-AA1jVN3w?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=af1a2c38b0144888830a52b75765eb28&ei=76

 

 

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A billion-dollar battery cell production plant in Maple Ridge, B.C., will produce up to 135 million batteries each year as part of Canada's push toward clean technology, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Tuesday during a stop in Metro Vancouver.

Trudeau was joined by B.C. Premier David Eby to announce federal and provincial financial support for the E-One Moli lithium-ion battery cell production plant. 

It will be the largest factory in Canada to manufacture such high-performance batteries, Trudeau said. 

"This is where the puck is going, this is the future we are building together every single day. Climate policy is economic policy."

The B.C. government will contribute up to $80 million, while $970 million is set to come from the federal government, E-One Moli and private sources. 

A news release from the City of Maple Ridge said the total federal-provincial investment was $280 million to support the expansion of the manufacturing of lithium-ion batteries.

B.C. has long been known for its innovation in the clean-technology sector, and securing the clean battery manufacturing project will build on that expertise, Trudeau told the press conference.

Nelson Chang, the chairman of E-One Moli Energy, said the company has always been committed to innovation and creativity as the creator of the world's first commercialized lithium-metal battery.

E-One Moli has been operating a plant in Maple Ridge since 1990. Its parent company, Taiwan Cement Corp., is based in Taiwan. 

"We believe that human freedom is a chance for us to do good for others and appreciate life's fleeing nature, to leave a positive impact on the world," Chang said.

"We believe that (carbon dioxide) reduction is absolutely the key to success for all future businesses," he said. 

The new plant will produce high-performance lithium-cell batteries found in numerous products, including vacuums, medical devices, and power and gardening tools. 

Construction is expected to start next June and the company plans for the facility to be fully operational in 2028.

With the creation of 450 jobs, E-One Moli is poised to become the largest private-sector employer in Maple Ridge.

Eby said every industry needs to find ways to reduce their carbon footprint to ensure they have a prosperous future and every province should do the same. 

It's the responsible thing to do given the record wildfires, extreme heat, and atmospheric rivers that caused catastrophic flooding in B.C., he said. 

"We know that this is what we have to do. The people who suggest that we have to accept that as the future and stop taking action are simply wrong." 

Trudeau, Eby and Chang toured the existing plant in Maple Ridge, east of Vancouver, before making the announcement.

The prime minister wove his way around several machines and apologized to technicians about the commotion his visit was creating in the warehouse. 

As part of the agreement, E-One Moli will switch some of its plant operations to electricity from natural gas, the B.C. government said in a news release.

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation criticized the federal and B.C. governments for the announcement, saying in a statement the multimillion-dollar handout to the battery firm will cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars for each job. 

Federation director Franco Terrazzano said the Trudeau government has recently given "buckets of cash" to corporations such as Volkswagen, Stellantis, the Ford Motor Company and Northvolt. 

"Instead of raising taxes on ordinary Canadians and handing out corporate welfare, governments should be cutting red tape and taxes to grow the economy."

 

 

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

I realize that this is more or less the Trudeau bashing thread, but considering the BC tie-in, I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't been mentioned:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/trudeau-eby-announce-1-billion-battery-plant-in-maple-ridge-b-c/ar-AA1jVN3w?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=af1a2c38b0144888830a52b75765eb28&ei=76

 

 

 

 

Very cool. The taxpayer federation guy seems upset .

[RupertKBD]

32 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

Very cool. The taxpayer federation guy seems upset .

 

Yeah, for some people, taxes, any taxes, are the enemy.

 

For me there is far more nuance to it than that....

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Yeah, for some people, taxes, any taxes, are the enemy.

 

For me there is far more nuance to it than that....

 

well, there is that free men on the land movement for those folks. 

[the destroyer of worlds]

You either produce or you import.  Investing in renewables and alternatives to fossil fuels powered ICEs will be a benefit to our economy going forward.  Doing nothing would mean China getting all the goods.

[5forFighting]

4 hours ago, RupertKBD said:

I realize that this is more or less the Trudeau bashing thread, but considering the BC tie-in, I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't been mentioned:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/trudeau-eby-announce-1-billion-battery-plant-in-maple-ridge-b-c/ar-AA1jVN3w?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=af1a2c38b0144888830a52b75765eb28&ei=76

 

 

 

Legalizing cannabis was a great Trudeau feat. 

 

This with the EVs is going to end up backfiring I think:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-04/cooling-ev-sales-have-tesla-gm-and-ford-rethinking-investments#xj4y7vzkg

 

[UnkNuk]

5 hours ago, RupertKBD said:

I realize that this is more or less the Trudeau bashing thread, but considering the BC tie-in, I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't been mentioned:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/trudeau-eby-announce-1-billion-battery-plant-in-maple-ridge-b-c/ar-AA1jVN3w?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=af1a2c38b0144888830a52b75765eb28&ei=76

 

 

 

 

Is the government simply giving the money to the company?  Or is it a loan that is expected to be paid back?  Or is the government taking an equity stake in the company?

[Satchmo]

53 minutes ago, 5forFighting said:

Legalizing cannabis was a great Trudeau feat. 

 

This with the EVs is going to end up backfiring I think:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-04/cooling-ev-sales-have-tesla-gm-and-ford-rethinking-investments#xj4y7vzkg

 

I could not read the whole article as it is paywalled.  I could see the headers and it seemed to be mostly about how the high cost of EV's has people put off.

 

They are very expensive and money is tight for so many these days.   Hopefully, costs come down.

 

You're not saying we should just give up and keep driving with gas are you?   Ecological considerations aside, gas and gas powered vehicles are pretty expensive these days too.

 

I drive a hybrid.  It was pricey.   God knows how much I have saved in gas over the years, as well as cumulative hours spent not pumping gas.

[The Lock]

On 11/13/2023 at 1:31 PM, 4petesake said:

 

 

 

My family has birthdays up until November 30th. This should be 100% true no questions asked.

[The Lock]

11 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

I could not read the whole article as it is paywalled.  I could see the headers and it seemed to be mostly about how the high cost of EV's has people put off.

 

They are very expensive and money is tight for so many these days.   Hopefully, costs come down.

 

You're not saying we should just give up and keep driving with gas are you?   Ecological considerations aside, gas and gas powered vehicles are pretty expensive these days too.

 

I drive a hybrid.  It was pricey.   God knows how much I have saved in gas over the years, as well as cumulative hours spent not pumping gas.

 

This strikes me as more of a technology issue than it is government. The government can do whatever they want to incentivize, force, or whatever to get people into EVs, but so long as the technology remains expensive, it's just going to be a pipedream.

 

Even if you exclude technological advances, think of how many used gas vehicles there are compared with used EVs. There's a massive difference there that will also naturally change over time.

 

That being said, I'm convinced that there's a lot of competition out there to gradually lower those costs. We'll get there, but not because of anything the government says or does.

Edited November 15, 2023 by The Lock

[RupertKBD]

1 hour ago, 5forFighting said:

Legalizing cannabis was a great Trudeau feat. 

 

This with the EVs is going to end up backfiring I think:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-04/cooling-ev-sales-have-tesla-gm-and-ford-rethinking-investments#xj4y7vzkg

 

 

It isn't strictly for EV batteries....but even if it was, I'd disagree with your assertion.

[RupertKBD]

17 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

 

Is the government simply giving the money to the company?  Or is it a loan that is expected to be paid back?  Or is the government taking an equity stake in the company?

 

The article doesn't go into much detail, so you know as much as me. FWIW, it says the money is an "Investment". Read into that what you will.

 

That being said, nobody seems to have much of an issue with "investments" in the oil industry.....

[5forFighting]

21 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

I could not read the whole article as it is paywalled.  I could see the headers and it seemed to be mostly about how the high cost of EV's has people put off.

 

They are very expensive and money is tight for so many these days.   Hopefully, costs come down.

 

You're not saying we should just give up and keep driving with gas are you?   Ecological considerations aside, gas and gas powered vehicles are pretty expensive these days too.

 

I drive a hybrid.  It was pricey.   God knows how much I have saved in gas over the years, as well as cumulative hours spent not pumping gas.

I think EVs are great, but I am not a fan of the "WE MUST DRIVE EVs BY SAID DATE". If they are the best they will become more popular and slowly faze out all other forms. 

 

Ecological considerations are a big part of the problem. Nuclear is the safest, cleanest power in the world and we are WAY behind what should be done. It's about power and control. 

[Satchmo]

Just now, 5forFighting said:

I think EVs are great, but I am not a fan of the "WE MUST DRIVE EVs BY SAID DATE". If they are the best they will become more popular and slowly faze out all other forms. 

 

Ecological considerations are a big part of the problem. Nuclear is the safest, cleanest power in the world and we are WAY behind what should be done. It's about power and control. 

I absolutely must disagree with you on that unless we are talking Nuclear Fusion, which is still mostly a pipe dream. This might not be the thread to discuss nuclear energy but I'd be happy to in the Science thread.

 

Anyway, we will never have nuclear powered vehicles unless we are talking about nuclear generated electricity stored in the EV batteries we are also talking about.    

 

Oh, and if governments didn't step in from time to time we'd all still be smoking cigarettes.  

[5forFighting]

1 minute ago, Satchmo said:

I absolutely must disagree with you on that unless we are talking Nuclear Fusion, which is still mostly a pipe dream. This might not be the thread to discuss nuclear energy but I'd be happy to in the Science thread.

 

Anyway, we will never have nuclear powered vehicles unless we are talking about nuclear generated electricity stored in the EV batteries we are also talking about.    

 

Oh, and if governments didn't step in from time to time we'd all still be smoking cigarettes.  

There are still people smoking cigarettes. That same government said they were safe until the science came back the opposite. Just like alcohol, which the government owns liquor stores, it is not safe.

 

My discussion of nuclear was not about cars but how it is NOT about the environment because if it were there would be for more nuclear power plants than coal and electricity.  

 

Nuclear is cleaner and superior to other means of power production. It gets frowned upon because of the word nuclear. 10 years of nuclear plant waste can fit inside of a coke can.