Elias Pettersson Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: The concern is not stupid. The idea that children are not influenced by their parents and grandparents is not stupid. Suggesting otherwise is a cheap effort to degrade the point. How about the idea that there is no evidence that Freeland was influenced by her grandfather? I have not seen any. How about the idea that Freeland's grandfather was doing no less than the Ukrainian fellow who was applauded in the House during the Zelensky address. Ukrainians had to make hard choices of how they would defend their country from well established abuse by the Russians prior to WW2, during and after. Were these two mean patriots who joined the Germans because they had no other options? Or were they evil nazis at heart? We will likely never know the true story. What people faced during WW2 is far beyond anything we can comprehend. So, to summarize, Chrystia Freeland's grandfather was a Nazi. The House Speaker, a staunch Liberal for decades, brought a Nazi into the House of Commons. But according to this thread Pierre Poilievre is the actual Nazi... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Spring Salmon said: *Asks why Theo called her a nazi Grandpa is nazi collaborator Standing ovation for nazi in HOC This picture Jimmy's reply. "You're stupid" What is the significance of this picture and what does that writing say in English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: So, to summarize, Chrystia Freeland's grandfather was a Nazi. The House Speaker, a staunch Liberal for decades, brought a Nazi into the House of Commons. But according to this thread Pierre Poilievre is the actual Nazi... 1) Freeland's grandfather seems to have been a Nazi. Please explain to me how that really matters. 2) Yes, a Liberal House speaker totally screwed up. He admitted so and resigned in shame. Please explain to me how that points to an ongoing support of Nazis on behalf of any Canadian political party. 3) Please find me posts on this site that call PP a Nazi so I can disagree with them too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Satchmo said: 1) Freeland's grandfather seems to have been a Nazi. Please explain to me how that really matters. 2) Yes, a Liberal House speaker totally screwed up. He admitted so and resigned in shame. Please explain to me how that points to an ongoing support of Nazis on behalf of any Canadian political party. 3) Please find me posts on this site that call PP a Nazi so I can disagree with them too. Don't worry. It's part and parcel of people like him attempting to label liberals as Nazis and Marxists and socialists and communists. The boogeyman terms when we all know the latter 3 are leftwing, but Nazi is right-wing. It's the name that gets the ignorant or the grifters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Wow... On Wednesday the Globe and Mail reported that, “Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland knew for more than two decades that her maternal Ukrainian grandfather was the chief editor of a Nazi newspaper.” Jesus this is so stupid. I mean new lows now for Canada. Now we're vetting people on their grandparents. OK lets play that game. Poilievre was adopted right? so we don't know what his background is. Maybe his grandfather was a rapist. Or a drug dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 It's pretty gross that the Libs celebrated a Nazi in Canada's parliament. What a stain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Wiggums said: It's pretty gross that the Libs celebrated a Nazi in Canada's parliament. What a stain they all did, if you watch the video. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted December 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Wiggums said: It's pretty gross that the Libs celebrated a Nazi in Canada's parliament. What a stain If the Cons had done the same thing this thread would be 500 pages by now and PP would have been thrown in jail. That's why I push back so hard with my friends on here. I don't actually think Freeland is a Nazi, and I don't care what her grandfather did. But the rhetoric on here that PP is akin to Hitler is nauseating at the very least. Some pushback is needed... 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: If the Cons had done the same thing this thread would be 500 pages by now and PP would have been thrown in jail. That's why I push back so hard with my friends on here. I don't actually think Freeland is a Nazi, and I don't care what her grandfather did. But the rhetoric on here that PP is akin to Hitler is nauseating at the very least. Some pushback is needed... is anyone who supports the Lib's happy about what happened? or thinks it wasn't a mistake? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Don't worry. It's part and parcel of people like him attempting to label liberals as Nazis and Marxists and socialists and communists. The boogeyman terms when we all know the latter 3 are leftwing, but Nazi is right-wing. It's the name that gets the ignorant or the grifters. You mean like what the left does to every right wing politician? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Wiggums said: It's pretty gross that the Libs celebrated a Nazi in Canada's parliament. What a stain Yes it was. It embarrassed the shit out of me. It also pisses me off that people are still talking about as if it was Liberal policy to glorify Nazis when it was really the stupid mistake of one guy who was chastised by all Canadians of all parties and then resigned in shame. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Yes it was. It embarrassed the shit out of me. It also pisses me off that people are still talking about as if it was Liberal policy to glorify Nazis when it was really the stupid mistake of one guy who was chastised by all Canadians of all parties and then resigned in shame. bingo. Don't try to play the "my side is reasonable" game when they throw this crap out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If the Cons had done the same thing this thread would be 500 pages by now and PP would have been thrown in jail. That's why I push back so hard with my friends on here. I don't actually think Freeland is a Nazi, and I don't care what her grandfather did. But the rhetoric on here that PP is akin to Hitler is nauseating at the very least. Some pushback is needed... Yes, if the Cons had made the same stupid mistake there would have been a lot of talk here. Not sure about 500 pages. Especially if it turned out to have been the mistake of one individual. PP thrown in jail? Where does that thought come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted December 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) I guess lots of posters are going to back off Heff for using the term Nazi. Seems he has started a trend. There are some smart posters on this site but imo they sometimes dont use much intellectual honesty. It must be a side effect of tribalism. If you think a person should be held accountable/judged for their grandparents beliefs then i call you a liar. Cause I dont really think you believe that. There is a very smart poster tell a story the other day of their mum being against gay people and hating the use of the rainbow for crosswalks etc. She passed away without ever changing her mind. That poster has done more for our country than most people. The type of person that really cares about Canada and all its people including LGBTQ. But since his mum was homophobic... Edited December 21, 2023 by bishopshodan 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Satchmo said: questions: Why should we really care what somebody's grandfather did? What did Freeland have to do with the Nazi in HOC? He was invited by one guy who screwed up royally, and tbh really pissed me off, and resigned in disgrace. What does the text in that image translate to? The text is just Slava Ukraini. It’s the colours of the banner that people are using to make the“Ukrainians are nazis” argument as a reason to not support helping Ukraine. On a side note my wife is of German descent with a very recognizable surname and her opa once gave me the old “Hitler was a good guy who went too far” talk. I can say that she is not now and has never been a nazi or nazi sympathizer …unless we’re counting being little bossy once in awhile. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, bishopshodan said: I guess lots of posters are going to back off Heff for using the term Nazi. Seems he has started a trend. There are some smart posters on this site but imo they sometimes dont use much intellectual honesty. It must be a side effect of tribalism. If you think a person some be held accountable/judged for their grandparents beliefs then i call you a liar. Cause I dont really think you believe that. There is a very smart poster tell a story the other day of their mum being against gay people and hating the use of the rainbow for crosswalks etc. She passed away without ever changing her mind. That poster has done more for our country than most people. The type of person that really cares about Canada and all its people including LGBTQ. But since his mum was homophobic... I like Heffy but I wish a number posts came with some kind of disclaimer signifying that his views do not reflect the view of all bleeding heart liberals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I guess lots of posters are going to back off Heff for using the term Nazi. Seems he has started a trend. There are some smart posters on this site but imo they sometimes dont use much intellectual honesty. It must be a side effect of tribalism. If you think a person should be held accountable/judged for their grandparents beliefs then i call you a liar. Cause I dont really think you believe that. There is a very smart poster tell a story the other day of their mum being against gay people and hating the use of the rainbow for crosswalks etc. She passed away without ever changing her mind. That poster has done more for our country than most people. The type of person that really cares about Canada and all its people including LGBTQ. But since his mum was homophobic... Canadian political discourse is going straight into the toilet, we're following the US far too closely. Apparently we now also follow Klingon Law in regards to family responsibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: What is the significance of this picture and what does that writing say in English? https://sheldonkirshner.com/chrystia-freelands-faux-pas/ As you said if it was Pierre he wouldn't be getting a pass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I like Heffy but I wish a number posts came with some kind of disclaimer signifying that his views do not reflect the view of all bleeding heart liberals. I have no porblem with almost anything people say as long as they will respond to their posts. Heff explains himself as a utilitarian and doesn't shy away from conversation. The only thing I find crappy and very weak is posting on a discussion board and then not addressing what you claim when challenged. It's a discussion board ffs. Most on here can hang, they can argue, take their knocks, and still meet up in another thread and share some commonalities. Then there are a few that post things as facts, try to influence other posters but dont back up what they state... that's weakness, simple and plain. IMO it's one of the worst things we can do in this political climate, we need to keep talking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: https://sheldonkirshner.com/chrystia-freelands-faux-pas/ As you said if it was Pierre he wouldn't be getting a pass a "pass" from what exactly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: https://sheldonkirshner.com/chrystia-freelands-faux-pas/ As you said if it was Pierre he wouldn't be getting a pass Is she getting a pass? Seems you have provided an article that shows that she is getting criticism and today in this thread people have been defending the idea that she may be a Nazi. That's a pass? Or do you think she should have been removed from her position because of the scarf and her grandpa? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bob Long said: a "pass" from what exactly? There was one fully masked agitator holding a swastika flag at the protest in ottawa and some people are still calling every one there a nazi and terrorist. Personally I don't care about Freelands Grandpa. There are many other reasons not to like her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Is she getting a pass? Seems you have provided an article that shows that she is getting criticism and today in this thread people have been defending the idea that she may be a Nazi. That's a pass? Or do you think she should have been removed from her position because of the scarf and her grandpa? I think she should be removed because she is terrible at her job. Her degree on Slavic studies or whatever does not qualify her to be the finance minister or deputy PM Edited December 21, 2023 by Spring Salmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Spring Salmon said: There was one fully masked agitator holding a swastika flag at the protest in ottawa and some people are still calling every one there a nazi and terrorist. Personally I don't care about Freelands Grandpa. There are many other reasons not to like her I fully support your right to like or dislike any politician. I wonder though, if you don't care about Freeland's grandpa, why were you the first to post an article about him? Seems to me that we are all out to score points for our side. We are all sports fans after all. I just wish we tried harder to avoid garbage goals, or any that can be called off for an offside or goalie interference. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: There was one fully masked agitator holding a swastika flag at the protest in ottawa and some people are still calling every one there a nazi and terrorist. Personally I don't care about Freelands Grandpa. There are many other reasons not to like her What people? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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