Canadian Politics Thread

[bishopshodan]

1 minute ago, Spring Salmon said:

I think she should be removed because she is terrible at her job. Her degree on Slavic studies or whatever does not qualify her to be the finance minister 

 

Oh I would like to remove all the politicians that are bad at their job but then we would have nobody remaining. 

So, by your answer you don't think she should be removed for the topics today. But the point of my question was that she is not really getting 'a pass'.

 

8 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said:

There was one fully masked agitator holding a swastika flag at the protest in ottawa and some people are still calling every one there a nazi and terrorist. Personally I don't care about Freelands Grandpa. There are many other reasons not to like her

 

There was a few different flags. The Nazi flag, some Confederate ones... there was even a black metal racist band in attendance. 

That said, they were a very small minority and all truckers should not be painted as Nazis.

[Spring Salmon]

Just now, Satchmo said:

I fully support your right to like or dislike any politician.

 

I wonder though, if you don't care about Freeland's grandpa, why were you the first to post an article about him?

 

Seems to me that we are all out to score points for our side.   We are all sports fans after all.   I just wish we tried harder to avoid garbage goals, or any that can be called off for an offside or goalie interference.

Someone asked why Theo called her a nazi. I gave some possible reasons. That's all

[Satchmo]

1 minute ago, Spring Salmon said:

Someone asked why Theo called her a nazi. I gave some possible reasons. That's all

Yet we all seem to agree that it was much ado about nothing.  Or perhaps an attempt at a garbage goal in my analogy.   Missed the net though.

 

BTW - it seems we have found the culprit who called PP a Nazi.  Just like the House Speaker, it was one guy.   I disagree with him and am miffed that the rest of us have to deal with the aftermath.

 

I don't think PP is a Nazi.   I do think he has a closer association to some groups with dangerous Nazi like beliefs than say Freeland.    We are all entitled to our opinions and that's one of mine.

[4petesake]

4 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said:

I think she should be removed because she is terrible at her job. Her degree on Slavic studies or whatever does not qualify her to be the finance minister or deputy PM

 

Whether she is qualified to be finance minister or deputy pm can be debated and we’re all entitled to our opinions but how about at  least not minimize her achievements.

 

*bachelor’s degree from Harvard

*masters from Oxford

*journalist in Ukraine

*editorial positions at Financial Times, The Globe and Mail and Reuters.

*author of Sale of the Century: Russia’s Wild Ride from Communism to Capitalism 

*author of Plutocrats: The Rise of the New Global Super Rich and the Fall of Everyone Else

 

I first became aware of her in 2006 as a frequent guest panelist on The McGlaughlin Report, a weekly American political commentary show where she always held her own as a young female liberal against many well-known older conservative male columnists & reporters.

[Elias Pettersson]

26 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said:

There was one fully masked agitator holding a swastika flag at the protest in ottawa and some people are still calling every one there a nazi and terrorist. Personally I don't care about Freelands Grandpa. There are many other reasons not to like her

 

I actually know a guy who donated to the freedom convoy.  He's not a racist, a nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  He was scared shitless that his bank account would be frozen.  He knew some people that made small donations that had their accounts frozen.  Not everyone who supported the convoy was a Nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  They were just sick and tired of some of the government policies.  Alot of people who went to Ottawa were moms and grandparents.  Labelling everyone the same is what pisses me off with alot of people.

 

Freezing bank accounts of common regular non-criminals in Canada is something that Hitler and the Nazi's would do.  That pissed me off.  If anything, Trudeau's actions were far more sinister and Nazi like then anything PP has ever done...

[4petesake]

17 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Oh I would like to remove all the politicians that are bad at their job but then we would have nobody remaining. 

So, by your answer you don't think she should be removed for the topics today. But the point of my question was that she is not really getting 'a pass'.

 

 

There was a few different flags. The Nazi flag, some Confederate ones... there was even a black metal racist band in attendance. 

That said, they were a very small minority and all truckers should not be painted as Nazis.

 

Actually it’s a little ironic that people are accusing others of painting truckers and protesters as Nazis. Other than the flags you’ve mentioned the vast majority of nazi paraphernalia was on flags, banners and signs carried by protesters calling & equating Trudeau, vaccinations, Canada, etc  to Nazis.

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

I actually know a guy who donated to the freedom convoy.  He's not a racist, a nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  He was scared shitless that his bank account would be frozen.  He knew some people that made small donations that had their accounts frozen.  Not everyone who supported the convoy was a Nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  They were just sick and tired of some of the government policies.  Alot of people who went to Ottawa were moms and grandparents.  Labelling everyone the same is what pisses me off with alot of people.

 

Freezing bank accounts of common regular non-criminals in Canada is something that Hitler and the Nazi's would do.  That pissed me off.  If anything, Trudeau's actions were far more sinister and Nazi like then anything PP has ever done...

 

No Hitler would put you in an oven.

[Bob Long]

It's pathetic that politicians doing something you don't like now equals "Hitler" - this stupidity has to stop. Not only is it lazy and hyperbolic, it's incredibly disrespectful to the people that monster harmed.

 

[Satchmo]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

I actually know a guy who donated to the freedom convoy.  He's not a racist, a nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  He was scared shitless that his bank account would be frozen.  He knew some people that made small donations that had their accounts frozen.  Not everyone who supported the convoy was a Nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  They were just sick and tired of some of the government policies.  Alot of people who went to Ottawa were moms and grandparents.  Labelling everyone the same is what pisses me off with alot of people.

 

Freezing bank accounts of common regular non-criminals in Canada is something that Hitler and the Nazi's would do.  That pissed me off.  If anything, Trudeau's actions were far more sinister and Nazi like then anything PP has ever done...

I'm sure just like Trump said, there were good people on both sides...

 

Sure caused a lot of fuss though and sure inconvenienced the good people of Ottawa.   No matter who they were or what they believed in, I label them all as trespassers.

 

 

 

[the destroyer of worlds]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

You mean like what the left does to every right wing politician?  

The left doesn't call them commies or socialists as well.  The left that does call them names just calls them fascist or nazis.  That's it.  That's the difference. 

 

Thing is, you can really check off a large number of key traits on the fascist/nazi checklist of a number of the people who get called it.

 

Most liberal people who get called the left boogeyman terms maybe want better Healthcare or helping with college debt.  On what planet is Joe Biden a commie.  Yet he routinely gets called that along with the other terms.

 

That's the difference. 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

I actually know a guy who donated to the freedom convoy.  He's not a racist, a nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  He was scared shitless that his bank account would be frozen.  He knew some people that made small donations that had their accounts frozen.  Not everyone who supported the convoy was a Nazi or an anti-vaxxer.  They were just sick and tired of some of the government policies.  Alot of people who went to Ottawa were moms and grandparents.  Labelling everyone the same is what pisses me off with alot of people.

 

Freezing bank accounts of common regular non-criminals in Canada is something that Hitler and the Nazi's would do.  That pissed me off.  If anything, Trudeau's actions were far more sinister and Nazi like then anything PP has ever done...

The money was frozen due to bad actors, foreign and domestic, who were, and are, trying to destabilize our country by any means necessary. No donators had their bank accounts frozen unless they were directly connected to the illegal occupation. It sounds like you are a victim of conservative hyperbole. 

[Wiggums]

9 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

It's pathetic that politicians doing something you don't like now equals "Hitler" - this stupidity has to stop. Not only is it lazy and hyperbolic, it's incredibly disrespectful to the people that monster harmed.

 

 

Oh you don't say?   Where are you when PP is labelled a Nazi?  

[4petesake]

4 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

The left doesn't call them commies or socialists as well.  The left that does call them names just calls them fascist or nazis.  That's it.  That's the difference. 

 

Thing is, you can really check off a large number of key traits on the fascist/nazi checklist of a number of the people who get called it.

 

Most liberal people who get called the left boogeyman terms maybe want better Healthcare or helping with college debt.  On what planet is Joe Biden a commie.  Yet he routinely gets called that along with the other terms.

 

That's the difference. 

 

Calling Joe Biden a commie may be one of the single stupidest, most ridiculous accusations. It’s so moronic that it does a disservice to those who have legitimate reasons to dislike him.

[Elias Pettersson]

8 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

The money was frozen due to bad actors, foreign and domestic, who were, and are, trying to destabilize our country by any means necessary. No donators had their bank accounts frozen unless they were directly connected to the illegal occupation. It sounds like you are a victim of conservative hyperbole. 

 

This is not true.  The guy I know works at the 2nd largest bank in Canada.  He told me he knows people whose accounts were frozen.

 

Also, there is no one involved in the convoy who was a bad actor where FINTRAC needed to be involved and bank accounts needed to be frozen.  Not even the mafia has their bank accounts frozen.  Do you know what it actually takes to get a bank account frozen in Canada?  Conservative hyperpole?  Yeah, I don't think so.  

[Elias Pettersson]

19 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

The left doesn't call them commies or socialists as well.  The left that does call them names just calls them fascist or nazis.  That's it.  That's the difference. 

 

Thing is, you can really check off a large number of key traits on the fascist/nazi checklist of a number of the people who get called it.

 

Most liberal people who get called the left boogeyman terms maybe want better Healthcare or helping with college debt.  On what planet is Joe Biden a commie.  Yet he routinely gets called that along with the other terms.

 

That's the difference. 

 

So, who exactly is a Nazi by your definition?  Which politician is the equivalent of Hitler?

[Bob Long]

12 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

Oh you don't say?   Where are you when PP is labelled a Nazi?  

 

what part of my statement excluded PP?

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

This is not true.  The guy I know works at the 2nd largest bank in Canada.  He told me he knows people whose accounts were frozen.

 

Also, there is no one involved in the convoy who was a bad actor where FINTRAC needed to be involved and bank accounts needed to be frozen.  Not even the mafia has their bank accounts frozen.  Do you know what it actually takes to get a bank account frozen in Canada?  Conservative hyperpole?  Yeah, I don't think so.  

 

yea an illegal occupation of the nations capital will have an effect. Go figure. 

[Satchmo]

15 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

Oh you don't say?   Where are you when PP is labelled a Nazi?  

Where TF is  @King Heffy?

 

And when TF did anyone else here call PP a Nazi?

[Wiggums]

2 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Where TF is  @King Heffy?

 

And when TF did anyone else here call PP a Nazi?

 

Oh god.  This isn't going to end well

 

Btw. Stop asking people to do reading for you

[Satchmo]

Just now, Wiggums said:

 

Oh god.  This isn't going to end well

 

Btw. Stop asking people to do reading for you

If I knew what that meant I might respond.

 

If that causes you to question my reading skills please drop by to see my library.

[King Heffy]

4 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Where TF is  @King Heffy?

 

And when TF did anyone else here call PP a Nazi?

I stand by my comments given PP's open history of racism and association with white supremacists and domestic terrorists.  No one is comparing him to the end result, but his barbaric ideas have too much in common with the early 1930's NSDAP for him to be considered fit for public office in any civilized country.

[4petesake]

6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

So, who exactly is a Nazi by your definition?  Which politician is the equivalent of Hitler?

 

I’m with you in theory but what about people who call Dr B, Dr Tam, Trudeau, Freeland, etc Nazis and equate Canada to Germany under Hitler?
The term is thrown around so freely that (as @Bob Long pointed out) it does a great disservice to those that perished & as well as survivors of the Holocaust; and to those that gave up their lives in the fight against Nazism.

 

 

 

[Satchmo]

Just now, King Heffy said:

I stand by my comments given PP's open history of racism and association with white supremacists and domestic terrorists.  No one is comparing him to the end result, but his barbaric ideas have too much in common with the early 1930's NSDAP for him to be considered fit for public office in any civilized country.

Fair enough.  If that's your opinion I will respect it while still not accepting it.  Only the Nazis were Nazis and hopefully no one else will ever come close to being that horrible.   

 

I do think your comment was extreme and seems to bring fire and brimstone upon all other non Cons.

 

These days I don't often question how many degrees of separation someone has to the Nazis.   I want to know how many degrees of separation they have to Roy Cohen and/or Roger Stone.   PP seems dangerously close to me.

[Satchmo]

28 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

So, who exactly is a Nazi by your definition?  Which politician is the equivalent of Hitler?

Have we not come to the conclusion that labelling anyone (except an actual Nazi) as a Nazi is not really a worthwhile endeavor?

 

And have we not also concluded that all but one poster would agree with that thought? 

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Have we not come to the conclusion that labelling anyone (except an actual Nazi) as a Nazi is not really a worthwhile endeavor?

 

And have we not also concluded that all but one poster would agree with that thought? 

 

No one is the equivalent, I would like to think that's obvious