Canadian Politics Thread

[NucksRuleYou]

Fuck India!

[Warhippy]

31 minutes ago, Breadnbutta said:

I’ve been lurking these forums for a long time.

 

it’s a bit hypocritical how everyone jumps on someone for sharing their beliefs and thoughts, regardless if you agree or not. 
 

and then after retaliating he/she gets banned.

 

just my 2 cents.

 

it’s nobody’s business how others want their children taught, and those protests aren’t hateful either.

 

there is a far left mob in here.

 

as a new poster I will be sticking to Canucks talk.

Hey Bread, welcome to Off Topic.

 

The burden of proof always lies with the accuser.  Unfortunately Blake Quinn made numerous claims with zero proof.  He was antagonistic and inflammatory.  He accused numerous individuals of some pretty awful things and dropped some kind of brilliant language to underscore it.  Unfortunately holding the burden of proof it turned out his bag was empty 

 

As for beliefs.  When someones beliefs turn out to be simply refusing to accept an entire group of humans exist, or that they are weird, different gross or shouldn't exist at all that is not a belief that is a bias.  Not agreeing to that is not hypocritical it is simply standing up for a marginalized group in society.

 

Finally, the far left mob statement holds no water.  There are a number of centre right and right wing posters in here who also called that individual out.  It has nothing to do with a political spectrum or leaning and everything to do with not being a terrible human being.  I fully agree with you that a parents rights are just that.  The parents rights.  But I also want to point out that at no single point in time did that posters statements ever come close to being truthful or honest and lying, misleading others and denegrating the existence of an entire group of humanity is not a good look to stick up for.

 

In Hockey terms, that posted was effectively saying Linden was trash and needed to go because Messier and keenan were right and that crap doesn't fly.

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Johngould21 said:

That could have cost Harper the title in 2015, which could be Peter Pepper’s downfall.

I still dont' see any path to loss for Poiliverre that isn't of his own making.

 

The craziest thing is how closely his comments/actions mirror that of Trudeau just on the opposite side of the coin.

 

I heard Poiliverre called Angry Trudeau and it kind of sticks

[bishopshodan]

18 minutes ago, NucksRuleYou said:

Fuck India!

another dude that was on thier most wanted list was murdered  in Winterpeg

 

It said gang related but i dont trust F' all about that Indian gov anymore.

[Johngould21]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I still dont' see any path to loss for Poiliverre that isn't of his own making.

 

The craziest thing is how closely his comments/actions mirror that of Trudeau just on the opposite side of the coin.

 

I heard Poiliverre called Angry Trudeau and it kind of sticks

He rarely says anything constructive, or how he would do things differently so there’s that. Much like Kevin Falcon, all I ever hear from him is to criticize and offer nothing.

[Bob Long]

Sorry if its been posted already but the cowardice of the CPC has been on full display this week, with their weak stand on India and this:

 

Conservative MPs told not to talk to media, post about 'parental rights' protests

 

Conservative MPs were told not to post online or talk to media about competing protests on Parliament Hill that saw protesters clash over how schools should handle LGBTQ+ issues.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the message sent to members of Pierre Poilievre's caucus, which warned them not to speak publicly about the issue and provided talking points they could use to communicate with their constituents.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-mps-parental-rights-1.6973410

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

Seems the new plan to start an Albertan Pension Plan, with money 'taken back' from the CCP left out something- called "reality"

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/report-s-formula-for-alberta-to-exit-cpp-impossible-says-pension-plan-official/ar-AA1h482e?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=12f39dc25f7648349657e426de24bfcf&ei=22

"The prospect of Alberta pulling out of the Canada Pension Plan in favour of its own pension scheme is back in the spotlight with an independent report — three years in the making — claiming the oil-rich province is entitled to more than half of the assets in the CPP Fund.

 

The total entitlement of up to $334 billion of the fund’s projected assets by 2027 is contained in a report by Lifeworks, a unit of Telus Health, and is based on calculations of what the contributions of Albertans would be worth had the province never joined the national pension scheme, which was launched in the 1960s.

No official timeline has been given by the Alberta government that commissioned the report. However, the province’s finance minister, Nate Horner, said during a Sept. 21 news conference that pension protection legislation will be introduced this fall to ensure Albertans have a say on whether to leave the Canada Pension Plan and to ensure that an Alberta Pension Plan, if pursued, would offer the same or better benefits and the same or lower contribution rates as the existing CPP.

The Lifeworks report concludes that Alberta, as a province with a younger population with higher employment rates and well-paying jobs, has contributed more than its share to the fund and would therefore be responsible for and entitled to a greater portion of the returns.

But Michel Leduc, senior managing director and global head of public affairs at CPP Investments, the pension management organization that invests on behalf of the CPP Fund, said that while he respects the rights of provinces to create their own pension plans, the transfer formula contemplated in the Lifeworks report is “impossible” given the composition of the national pension scheme.

“A province that accounts for only 16 per cent of total contributions can’t legally or realistically be allowed to claim more than half the assets,” Leduc said, adding that if Ontario were to pursue a transfer based on contributions from Canada’s most populous province using the same formula, the entire fund would be drained and remaining provinces would owe money to the two provinces withdrawing.

“If they (Ontario) were to go, there wouldn’t be enough money in the CPP Fund to fulfill Alberta’s claim,” he said.

Leduc added that the lion’s share of the CPP Fund’s total assets of $570 billion at the end of fiscal 2023 came from investment returns, which were only possible because of the national fund’s size and scale.

 

Given the stakes, it is anticipated that any withdrawal from CPP will be challenged and subject to negotiation, with observers suggesting the matter could go to court. Lifeworks, however, concluded that other provinces don’t have a legal say in whether Alberta withdraws from CPP because, under the federal Canada Pension Plan Act, a province is required only to provide written notice to the government and meet certain conditions. These include providing benefits which are at least as good as the benefits provided by the CPP and assuming all obligations and liabilities for CPP members in the province.

In addition, a replacement provincial pension must be ready to go on its own at the start of the third year after notifying the government of the intention to withdraw from the national pension scheme.

Quebec operates a separate pension plan , but the province never joined the national pension scheme. In addition, Canadians can move between provinces, contribute to both the Quebec Pension Plan and the Canada Pension Plan, and collect harmonized benefits on retirement depending on where they live.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith , like her predecessor, Jason Kenney , whose government started the ball rolling on the Lifeworks report, has portrayed pulling out of CPP as a way for Alberta to take control of how the money is invested, with an eye to bolstering the province’s oil and gas sector.

Alberta officials have previously suggested the province will not pull out of CPP without taking the views of Albertans into consideration, including a possible referendum on the issue.

Malcolm Hamilton, a pension expert who was instrumental in a 1995 Canadian Institute of Actuaries report that helped lead to legislation in 1998 that increased funding for the Canada Pension Plan, said this is not the first time Alberta has examined the possibility of withdrawing from the CPP and the issue has always been how a separate provincial pension plan would be able to manage the liabilities.

“Who will be responsible for all the pensions owed to retired and working Albertans and former Albertans for contributions they have already made?” Hamilton said, noting that if the CPP fund were to hand over a share of the assets it would also “offload” a big chunk of its obligations.

“You don’t get (or deserve) the assets without accepting the corresponding obligations,” Hamilton said in an email.

Detractors of a go-it-alone Alberta pension plan have also pointed to the hefty administration costs of running such a fund. Alberta officials said during the Sept. 21 news conference that an Alberta Pension Plan (APP) could cost up to $2.2 billion to set up.

Kenney had floated the idea for a standalone Alberta Pension Plan to be managed by Alberta Investment Management Corp. (AIMCo), which already manages $158 billion in pension and endowment assets in the province.

But when Alberta’s withdrawal from the Canada Pension Plan was widely discussed in 2019, Alexander Dyck, a professor of finance and policy at the Rotman School of Management who has researched large pension fund performance, said a large influx of money would be difficult for AIMCo to manage.

“If I give you twice as much money as you had yesterday, you’re not going to be able to deploy that money and mimic the returns that you had yesterday,” he said at the time, adding that investing in private equity, infrastructure and real estate does not necessarily scale as easily as investing in stocks.

I have been following this and Smith is such a frigging idiot.

 

There's a lot of people who are in Alberta or formerly from Alberta that are at risk of losing their pensions if she engages in this and gets everything she wants.  HALF of the current CPP is what she is stating and claiming.  This is a former UCP idea that would allow them to tie it to AIM which has lost insane amounts of money being tied to the energy markets.  More so it would bankrupt CPP and throw hundreds of thousands of seniors off of any level of income stability as well as crater the idea of retirement for anyone under the age of 60 or over the age of 35 that does not have a corporate or company pension plan.

 

The worst part of this is, if Poiliverre gets in to power.  His convention earlier this month had a very Alberta centric series of notes in it that would effectively give Alberta carte blanche over other provinces.  Smith and Alberta throwing a tantrum is nothing unusual, but affecting the income stability of over 2.4 million Canadian retirees is entirely different.

 

I just posted how I don't see a path to loss for PP unless it's of his own making and with his current party ideology and promises this could very well be part of that own making.  Look through here.  Note the difference in the Alberta policy vs the BC Policy.  Alberta will be getting carte blanche and BC will be getting told to accept it or else because "jobs"

 

https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/25121334/1a7e47096845523.pdf

 

Submission #1063 – Resources to Market - Alberta Regional Priority A Conservative government would place primacy across every federal ministry on getting Canadian natural resources to international and domestic markets. A Conservative government will use every tool in the national interest toolkit to get our natural resources to market.

 

 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

Seems the new plan to start an Albertan Pension Plan, with money 'taken back' from the CCP left out something- called "reality"

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/report-s-formula-for-alberta-to-exit-cpp-impossible-says-pension-plan-official/ar-AA1h482e?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=12f39dc25f7648349657e426de24bfcf&ei=22

"The prospect of Alberta pulling out of the Canada Pension Plan in favour of its own pension scheme is back in the spotlight with an independent report — three years in the making — claiming the oil-rich province is entitled to more than half of the assets in the CPP Fund.

 

 

yea, sure, 1/2 

 

Most Albertans don't want this to happen, thankfully. And the number will be decided in the SCC. And even then, the federal gov't could use the notwithstanding clause to ignore the ruling. This "report" is pure tripe, the kind of consulting job that gives the industry a bad name.

 

[Warhippy]

3 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

Sorry if its been posted already but the cowardice of the CPC has been on full display this week, with their weak stand on India and this:

 

Conservative MPs told not to talk to media, post about 'parental rights' protests

 

Conservative MPs were told not to post online or talk to media about competing protests on Parliament Hill that saw protesters clash over how schools should handle LGBTQ+ issues.

The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the message sent to members of Pierre Poilievre's caucus, which warned them not to speak publicly about the issue and provided talking points they could use to communicate with their constituents.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-mps-parental-rights-1.6973410

There is a reason they don't want anyone talking to the press.  Note their convention statements

 

The word groomer and grooming turns up constantly in their fight against wokeness.    Pay close attention to the terminology of their convention mandates and promises.  Then notice how they claim they will support science and medical expertise but.....

 

M – Criminal Justice / Justice pénale C – 6 - 1279 Submission ID / Numéro de la proposition : 1279 Sponsoring EDA / Circonscription parrainante : Medicine Hat – Cardston – Warner Type of Submission / Type de proposition : MODIFICATION / MODIFICATION Submission #1279 - 118. Child Protection

 

The Conservative Party supports stronger legislation against sex-offenders, pedophiles, human trafficking, and child pornography for the protection of children through the elimination of all defences that are used to justify both the possession of child pornography and engaging in predatory conduct to prepare a child or young person for sexual activity at a later time (‘grooming’).

 

J – Health / Santé C – 7 - 1268 Submission ID / Numéro de la proposition : 1268 Sponsoring EDA / Circonscription parrainante : North Okanagan - Shuswap Type of Submission / Type de proposition : NEW / NOUVELLE Submission #1268 - Protecting Children's Mental and Physical Health

 

A Conservative government will protect children by prohibiting life altering medicinal or surgical interventions on minors under 18 to treat gender confusion or dysphoria, and encourage positive mental and physical health support for all Canadians suffering from gender dysphoria and related mental health challenges.

 

J – Health / Santé C – 8 - 1858 Submission ID / Numéro de la proposition : 1858 Sponsoring EDA / Circonscription parrainante : Repentigny 39 Type of Submission / Type de proposition : NEW / NOUVELLE Submission #1858 -

 

A National Uniform Right to Informed Consent and Bodily Autonomy Every Canadian is entitled to informed consent and bodily autonomy. Health professionals must disclose an uncensored risk benefit analysis for any treatment (including vaccines) while protecting patient privacy. No constitutional right shall be restricted for refusing medical treatments or disclosure. Our country shall promote a scientific, unprejudiced, balanced, open discourse.

 

 

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

There is a reason they don't want anyone talking to the press.  Note their convention statements

 

The word groomer and grooming turns up constantly in their fight against wokeness.    Pay close attention to the terminology of their convention mandates and promises.  Then notice how they claim they will support science and medical expertise but.....

 

M – Criminal Justice / Justice pénale C – 6 - 1279 Submission ID / Numéro de la proposition : 1279 Sponsoring EDA / Circonscription parrainante : Medicine Hat – Cardston – Warner Type of Submission / Type de proposition : MODIFICATION / MODIFICATION Submission #1279 - 118. Child Protection

 

The Conservative Party supports stronger legislation against sex-offenders, pedophiles, human trafficking, and child pornography for the protection of children through the elimination of all defences that are used to justify both the possession of child pornography and engaging in predatory conduct to prepare a child or young person for sexual activity at a later time (‘grooming’).

 

J – Health / Santé C – 7 - 1268 Submission ID / Numéro de la proposition : 1268 Sponsoring EDA / Circonscription parrainante : North Okanagan - Shuswap Type of Submission / Type de proposition : NEW / NOUVELLE Submission #1268 - Protecting Children's Mental and Physical Health

 

A Conservative government will protect children by prohibiting life altering medicinal or surgical interventions on minors under 18 to treat gender confusion or dysphoria, and encourage positive mental and physical health support for all Canadians suffering from gender dysphoria and related mental health challenges.

 

J – Health / Santé C – 8 - 1858 Submission ID / Numéro de la proposition : 1858 Sponsoring EDA / Circonscription parrainante : Repentigny 39 Type of Submission / Type de proposition : NEW / NOUVELLE Submission #1858 -

 

A National Uniform Right to Informed Consent and Bodily Autonomy Every Canadian is entitled to informed consent and bodily autonomy. Health professionals must disclose an uncensored risk benefit analysis for any treatment (including vaccines) while protecting patient privacy. No constitutional right shall be restricted for refusing medical treatments or disclosure. Our country shall promote a scientific, unprejudiced, balanced, open discourse.

 

 

 

 

this is it exactly. They are showing us what they will do, and we need to believe them. Every word of it. 

 

I'm tired of hearing CPC supporters who are mostly on that side economically (lower taxes mainly) saying, 'oh they won't do it.' Yes, they will do it. 

 

[Warhippy]

Turns out there is in fact a lot more to this than Modi wants to admit.

 

The US and numerous members of the 5 eyes group have spoken to Modi during the G20 about this killing.  For Modi to claim it is a lie is looking more and more like complete garbage.  Poiliverre needs to tread very carefully on this one as it is a matter of multi national security and his whining and screeching about evidence could put numerous nations at risk

 

he Canadian government has amassed both human and signals intelligence in a months-long investigation of a Sikh activist's death that has inflamed relations with India, sources tell CBC News.

That intelligence includes communications involving Indian officials themselves, including Indian diplomats present in Canada, say Canadian government sources.

The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

In a diplomatic crisis that unfolded progressively behind the scenes, Canadian officials went to India on several occasions seeking co-operation in the investigation of Hardeep Singh Nijjar's death.

The Sikh leader was shot dead outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, B.C., on June 18 and reportedly had been warned by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that he was at risk.

Canada's National Security and Intelligence Adviser Jody Thomas was in India over four days in mid-August, then again for five days this month.

That last visit overlapped with a tense meeting between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.

"I can assure you that the decision to share these allegations on the floor of the House of Commons … was not done lightly," Trudeau said Thursday in New York after attending the United Nations General Assembly.

"It was done with the utmost seriousness."

The Canadian government has not released its evidence and has suggested it could emerge during an eventual legal process.

 

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Turns out there is in fact a lot more to this than Modi wants to admit.

 

The US and numerous members of the 5 eyes group have spoken to Modi during the G20 about this killing.  For Modi to claim it is a lie is looking more and more like complete garbage.  Poiliverre needs to tread very carefully on this one as it is a matter of multi national security and his whining and screeching about evidence could put numerous nations at risk

 

he Canadian government has amassed both human and signals intelligence in a months-long investigation of a Sikh activist's death that has inflamed relations with India, sources tell CBC News.

That intelligence includes communications involving Indian officials themselves, including Indian diplomats present in Canada, say Canadian government sources.

The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

In a diplomatic crisis that unfolded progressively behind the scenes, Canadian officials went to India on several occasions seeking co-operation in the investigation of Hardeep Singh Nijjar's death.

The Sikh leader was shot dead outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, B.C., on June 18 and reportedly had been warned by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that he was at risk.

Canada's National Security and Intelligence Adviser Jody Thomas was in India over four days in mid-August, then again for five days this month.

That last visit overlapped with a tense meeting between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.

"I can assure you that the decision to share these allegations on the floor of the House of Commons … was not done lightly," Trudeau said Thursday in New York after attending the United Nations General Assembly.

"It was done with the utmost seriousness."

The Canadian government has not released its evidence and has suggested it could emerge during an eventual legal process.

 

 

"come clean" he says to our government  PP is a moron. 

 

But PP has shown he jumps the gun - he wanted us to cave in early on NAFTA 2.0, and with Xi over the 2 Michael's. 

 

[Johngould21]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

"come clean" he says to our government  PP is a moron. 

 

But PP has shown he jumps the gun - he wanted us to cave in early on NAFTA 2.0, and with Xi over the 2 Michael's. 

 

P Pepper should not be included in any high security discussions until he tells us all what his agenda truly is.

[Johngould21]

10 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Turns out there is in fact a lot more to this than Modi wants to admit.

 

The US and numerous members of the 5 eyes group have spoken to Modi during the G20 about this killing.  For Modi to claim it is a lie is looking more and more like complete garbage.  Poiliverre needs to tread very carefully on this one as it is a matter of multi national security and his whining and screeching about evidence could put numerous nations at risk

 

he Canadian government has amassed both human and signals intelligence in a months-long investigation of a Sikh activist's death that has inflamed relations with India, sources tell CBC News.

That intelligence includes communications involving Indian officials themselves, including Indian diplomats present in Canada, say Canadian government sources.

The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

In a diplomatic crisis that unfolded progressively behind the scenes, Canadian officials went to India on several occasions seeking co-operation in the investigation of Hardeep Singh Nijjar's death.

The Sikh leader was shot dead outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, B.C., on June 18 and reportedly had been warned by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that he was at risk.

Canada's National Security and Intelligence Adviser Jody Thomas was in India over four days in mid-August, then again for five days this month.

That last visit overlapped with a tense meeting between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.

"I can assure you that the decision to share these allegations on the floor of the House of Commons … was not done lightly," Trudeau said Thursday in New York after attending the United Nations General Assembly.

"It was done with the utmost seriousness."

The Canadian government has not released its evidence and has suggested it could emerge during an eventual legal process.

 

Biden commented on this very issue yesterday.

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

P Pepper should not be included in any high security discussions until he tells us all what his agenda truly is.

Due to his open support of domestic terrorism, the inclusion should never be an option.

[Johngould21]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

Due to his open support of domestic terrorism, the inclusion should never be an option.

Yep, walking arm and arm with the leader of the Trucker Convoy, among others.

[Bob Long]

27 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

P Pepper should not be included in any high security discussions until he tells us all what his agenda truly is.

 

P Poutine refuses to get the security clearance needed. 

[Miss Korea]

12 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

P Poutine refuses to get the security clearance needed. 

Skippy: "I don't want to get silenced with classified NDAs - I have to reach out to my Telegram followers you know"

 

Meanwhile, Singh/May (who have clearance and can talk freely): "are you stupid"

[Bob Long]

11 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

Skippy: "I don't want to get silenced with classified NDAs - I have to reach out to my Telegram followers you know"

 

Meanwhile, Singh/May (who have clearance and can talk freely): "are you stupid"

 

to me its inexcusable that PP would refuse to look that the confidential parts of Johnston's report. 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

6 hours ago, LaBamba said:

I’m a libertarian AKA someone that minds their own business. No government is going to give a 42 yr old white male in the highest tax bracket a break so the party colour means nothing to me. The government, every government only takes from me. I don’t give a crap what teachers teach even though I have an 11 and 15 year old. I don’t care who is vaccinated even though I am vaccinated. I don’t care about the anthem either way, I don’t care about immigration. I don’t care what you do in your bedroom, I don’t care what you identify as, if you identify as a mountain I’ll call you Rocky, I don’t care. I care about my money and right now I’m not seeing any results from the current government that I also don’t care about. 

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Breadnbutta said:

I’ve been lurking these forums for a long time.

 

it’s a bit hypocritical how everyone jumps on someone for sharing their beliefs and thoughts, regardless if you agree or not. 
 

and then after retaliating he/she gets banned.

 

just my 2 cents.

 

it’s nobody’s business how others want their children taught, and those protests aren’t hateful either.

 

there is a far left mob in here.

 

as a new poster I will be sticking to Canucks talk.

Welome "new" member... nudge nudge...wink wink

[Miss Korea]

15 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

 

I had to look up the top bracket in Canada: over $236,000.

 

Someone earning >250K voting Conservative?  NO WAY

[LaBamba]

Was a post 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2023 by LaBamba
Proved I’m not a liar

[Warhippy]

10 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Ah. Nothing better than proving you’re not full of crap. That’s $29,697.20 for 15 days of work in USD/ 39k CAD. I only work 2.5 weeks a month so that’s $48,750 a month or $585k a year. I usually work a little more here and there and receive bonuses. Last year was well over 600k. So take your little calculator and figure out how much I paid in taxes and tell me how you can relate to me? 

 

Thanks for reminding me, I need to up my mileage costs for my clients  

[Miss Korea]

Is he gloating about being unrelatable