Elias Pettersson Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 14 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: How many kids do you have? the reason I ask is if you think you're going to "control" them as teenagers, I have some bad news for you.... The other reason I ask is because you don't seem to have any idea what actually goes on in schools. I don’t have kids. However, all of my family have kids. I also have multiple relatives that are teachers. My best friends wife is also the principal at one of the more prominent high schools on the Westside of Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: No it’s not clear actually. What you are insinuating is that the child needs to secretly converse with the teacher and keep the parents from knowing what is going on. so you think a kid should talk to an abusive parent? get shit kicked and thats better? 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Not sure how that is going to fix the problem long term. If anything it would make things worse for the child. If the abusive parents found out that the child was secretly talking to the teachers behind their backs then the abuse at home could get even worse. being gay isn't a problem. And no, a kid having a safe adult to talk to is never more risky. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: I don’t have kids. you didn't need to explain that to the parents on this board. Just now, Elias Pettersson said: However, all of my family have kids. I also have multiple relatives that are teachers. My best friends wife is also the principal at one of the more prominent high schools on the Westside of Vancouver. so tell us, what would you do if your child was gay? would you be supportive, or try to "fix" it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spur1 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: so you think a kid should talk to an abusive parent? get shit kicked and thats better? being gay isn't a problem. And no, a kid having a safe adult to talk to is never more risky. The only problem with it is the bigots that make it a problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Let me put it this way. There are LOT of kids who are embarrassed to talk to their parents about a LOT of thing besides LGBTQ issues. Again, where are these kids supposed to go? Learning about these issues in a safe, controlled environment is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better than in the back seat of mom's minivan. Again, where are these kids supposed to go???????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Imagine You are LGBTQ You have parents who are HARD CORE anti-LGBTQ Who do you turn to? Go That’s not enough info for me to go by. When you say the parents are hard core anti-LGBTQ what exactly are you inferring? Are the parents being abusive to the child? Also, LGBTQ covers a wide variety of situations. Being gay and being trans are two completely different situations. I know lots of gay people who don’t support the trans community. They are not always all lumped together. So who exactly are you referring to? Are you referring to a gay child who has not come out or are you referring to a trans child who wants to change their gender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 As a guy whos wife works for MCFD, one sister that is a psychologist, and the other a superintendent of our school district. I am glad this convo is happening today. You can imagine the stories I have heard that I obviously wont share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: so you think a kid should talk to an abusive parent? get shit kicked and thats better? being gay isn't a problem. And no, a kid having a safe adult to talk to is never more risky. What does being gay have to do with anything I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: That’s not enough info for me to go by. When you say the parents are hard core anti-LGBTQ what exactly are you inferring? Are the parents being abusive to the child? Also, LGBTQ covers a wide variety of situations. Being gay and being trans are two completely different situations. I know lots of gay people who don’t support the trans community. They are not always all lumped together. So who exactly are you referring to? Are you referring to a gay child who has not come out or are you referring to a trans child who wants to change their gender? No, no you don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: That’s not enough info for me to go by. When you say the parents are hard core anti-LGBTQ what exactly are you inferring? Are the parents being abusive to the child? Also, LGBTQ covers a wide variety of situations. Being gay and being trans are two completely different situations. I know lots of gay people who don’t support the trans community. They are not always all lumped together. So who exactly are you referring to? Are you referring to a gay child who has not come out or are you referring to a trans child who wants to change their gender? Don't be obtuse. You know EXACTLY what I mean by HARD CORE. It also doesn't matter if they are currently abusing the child. There are plenty of families that do not abuse their children, who are hard core anti-LGBTQ, who will kick their kid out of the house when their kid comes out as LGBTQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spur1 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: What does being gay have to do with anything I said? Isn’t that what this whole discussion has been about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I know lots of gay people who don’t support the trans community. Do you know really mean this?...you really know LOTS of gay people that don't support trans folk? I find that very surprising. I lived in the DT WestEnd in Van for 2 decades. I knew the community very well and never heard anyone say that. Edited January 12 by bishopshodan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: you didn't need to explain that to the parents on this board. so tell us, what would you do if your child was gay? would you be supportive, or try to "fix" it? I have no problem with the gay community. Have I ever said anything on CDC or CFF to contradict this? So your question is irrelevant to me and insulting to be totally honest with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: What does being gay have to do with anything I said? just don't do that OK? the conservative "who me?" thing is disingenuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: I have no problem with the gay community. Have I ever said anything on CDC or CFF to contradict this? your take on this topic puts you in a camp thats either unaware, or doesn't care, about the harm this "parents rights" movement is causing. I don't know which camp you are in, so I'm asking. Just now, Elias Pettersson said: So your question is irrelevant to me and insulting to be totally honest with you. thats not an answer. And I didn't insult you, I just asked a question. I'm curious about the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 15 minutes ago, Wiggums said: Yep. So you gonna apologize for calling me a liar? Probably not Carry on Not even remotely a chance that will happen because if you don't tell the truth, or bend the facts to suit your narrative You're still lying. You neglected to inform people the father was not the caregiver or parent. That the individual was ONLY addressed to refer to the minor in the court case by specific genders in the court room and that the individual was only charged because they broke a judges publication order. That id say is pretty much lying to people 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: No it’s not clear actually. What you are insinuating is that the child needs to secretly converse with the teacher and keep the parents from knowing what is going on. Not sure how that is going to fix the problem long term. If anything it would make things worse for the child. If the abusive parents found out that the child was secretly talking to the teachers behind their backs then the abuse at home could get even worse. So as long as the child is opening up to the abusive parents and not the teacher it's ok then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I don’t have kids. However, all of my family have kids. I also have multiple relatives that are teachers. My best friends wife is also the principal at one of the more prominent high schools on the Westside of Vancouver. Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 27 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Again, facts are important. Father was not legal guardian or full time parent. Medical professionals involved from the beginning. Seems ya left that part out Bowden also ordered the father to acknowledge and refer to his son using only male pronouns throughout the course of the court proceedings. Bowden was in violation of a publication ban on the court case in which the names of the professionals treating his child were protected from being disclosed and he was not authorized to speak about the case or circumstances surrounding the case. Yup, he 'shared information about the therapist and doctors treating his daughter' That's why he got in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Not even remotely a chance that will happen because if you don't tell the truth, or bend the facts to suit your narrative You're still lying. You neglected to inform people the father was not the caregiver or parent. That the individual was ONLY addressed to refer to the minor in the court case by specific genders in the court room and that the individual was only charged because they broke a judges publication order. That id say is pretty much lying to people I’m trying to be delicate here but the best I can do is the father is a piece of crap and the perfect example of the parent that a child needs protection from. Publication bans in family law cases are commonplace to protect the privacy of minors, and C.D. was ordered not to give interviews using his real name or publicly share information that could expose his underage son to damaging and potentially violent online backlash. The court heard that he did so on numerous occasions, despite multiple warnings. Tammen pointed to one interview that was uploaded to YouTube in which the father spoke openly about violating what he described as "gag orders." Some of that material has since been expunged from the internet. But Tammen noted that much of it remains, in part because C.D., after being told he could be found in contempt of court, had proceeded to start speaking to right-wing media organizations based in the U.S., which would be less inclined to remove the content at the request of Canadian authorities. "C.D. ensured that he would not be fully able to purge his contempt," Tammen said, citing another interview in which the father suggested he was "smarter" than the legal system that was trying to protect his son's privacy. The court also heard that C.D. put together an online crowdfunding campaign that included a link to a video containing his child's name and picture. The fundraiser collected at least $30,000. When it comes to this level of contempt, Tammen said, "there are few cases even remotely comparable." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I wonder why there is the term "coming out of the closet" and why people who are LGBTQ have apprehension when they even think about "coming out". Anyone who has any knowledge of this issue knows full well why someone would look to a third party before looking to a family member for guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Not even remotely a chance that will happen because if you don't tell the truth, or bend the facts to suit your narrative You're still lying. You neglected to inform people the father was not the caregiver or parent. That the individual was ONLY addressed to refer to the minor in the court case by specific genders in the court room and that the individual was only charged because they broke a judges publication order. That id say is pretty much lying to people Cool? Yes, I just made up the fact that 14 year olds don't need consent before starting hormone blockers. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1929979/canadian-court-rules-child-can-start-hormone-therapy-without-parental-consent How do you not know about this? Crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: I wonder why there is the term "coming out of the closet" and why people who are LGBTQ have apprehension when they even think about "coming out". Anyone who has any knowledge of this issue knows full well why someone would look to a third party before looking to a family member for guidance. some people care more about their religious beliefs or conservative principles that the safety of gay kids. It really comes down to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 31 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Schools are for learning math and science. If a child is being abused then child services needs to be involved. The school can certainly make the referral. You know full well we are very far removed from such a reductive definition of school/teachers. They are quasi-parents in this country and not by their choice. They are trained to be quasi-parents because no one at home is doing the parenting. It's the hardest part of the job. 22 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I don’t have kids. However, all of my family have kids. I also have multiple relatives that are teachers. My best friends wife is also the principal at one of the more prominent high schools on the Westside of Vancouver. You really should know if this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, Wiggums said: Cool? Yes, I just made up the fact that 14 year olds don't need consent before starting hormone blockers. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1929979/canadian-court-rules-child-can-start-hormone-therapy-without-parental-consent How do you not know about this? Crazy You just completely destroyed his entire narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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