Bob Long Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 34 minutes ago, Warhippy said: As the "secretary" to dual ministers as well as the so called attack dog and voice of Harper in the house beside Callandra, Poliverre had as much say in very specific tabled bills and their creation, defense as the ministers in charge. This is/was well know which is why various ministers held the title of parliamentary secretary to more than one office at one time. Callandra, Polivere and for a time Bernier held various titles of secretary or outright ministerial roles as advised by the PMO at various times. While you say "make shit up" it's clear you didn't follow along or pay attention. RE: Housing fund Pierre claims he had no hand in. The fund's board of trustees is appointed by the minister responsible for the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp., Pierre Poilievre, and by Aboriginal Affairs Minister Bernard Valcourt. CMHC manages the day-to-day activities. In the House, parliamentary secretaries help ministers maintain contacts with other parliamentarians. They play a liaison role within the government caucus, particularly on matters regarding private members’ business. When the minister is away from the House, parliamentary secretaries may also be called upon to answer policy questions during Question Period.5 Under the Standing Orders of the House of Commons,6 parliamentary secretaries may do the following: make a statement during the time devoted to “Statements by Members” (whereas ministers may not) (S.O. 30(5)); table documents in the House on behalf of a minister (S.O. 32(2)); speak on behalf of a minister during adjournment proceedings (S.O. 38(5)); act on behalf of a minister during consideration of the main estimates of a department in Committee of the Whole (S.O. 81(4)(a)); and speak on behalf of a minister during debate on a motion for the production of papers (S.O. 97(2)). Because they work under the direction of a minister, however, parliamentary secretaries do not ask questions during Question Period7 and they are ineligible to introduce their own private member’s bills or motions.8 They may not present government bills, either.9 Parliamentary secretaries can be named to standing, special or legislative committees only as non‑voting members appointed by the chief government whip.10 There, they represent the minister’s views and address political issues that may arise. They share departmental information and may work with committee chairs to plan appearances of ministers and departmental officials.11 With regard to department‑related duties, the prime minister may assign parliamentary secretaries specific policy‑related priorities. In addition, while overall responsibility and accountability remain with the minister, he or she may delegate specific policy development duties to a parliamentary secretary. As indicated above, parliamentary secretaries also ensure liaison between parliamentary committees and the department.12 Parliamentary secretaries may also perform extra‑parliamentary duties for the minister by fulfilling speaking engagements, attending ceremonies or meeting delegations.13 But Trudeau foundation, and something about vacations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Good development re;last summer https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/man-22-charged-in-connection-with-largest-wildfire-in-n-s-history-1.6731499 Quote Man, 22, charged in connection with largest wildfire in N.S. history The charges stem from the Barrington Lake wildfire, which first broke out on May 26, 2023, and was finally brought under control on June 13 and extinguished on July 26. The fire grew to 23,379 hectares, the largest recorded in the province's history. It forced more than 6,000 people from their homes and destroyed 60 houses and cottages, as well as 150 other structures. It was the last in a string of spring wildfires in the province to be tamed. Edited January 19 by Smashian Kassian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) You don't say? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/immigration-canada-challenges-international-students-alberta-calgary-1.7088195 Sections Elements of immigration system 'out of control,' says federal minister as pressure to make changes increases | CBC News Loaded Calgary·In Depth Elements of immigration system 'out of control,' says federal minister as pressure to make changes increases Estimates indicate 40 per cent of our workforce will be immigrants by 2040 Judy Aldous, Carla Turner, Boshika Gupta · CBC News · Posted: Jan 19, 2024 7:08 AM PST | Last Updated: 3 hours ago International students were a focus of discussion at a CBC Calgary live town hall on Thursday night. Around 150 people attended the event. (Will Tigley/CBC) Social Sharing This is Part 5 of Unsettling, a series on immigration by CBC Calgary. About 150 people braved the cold to attend a CBC Calgary live town hall Thursday night to talk about international immigration to Calgary and if our city is ready for what's to come. When it comes to immigration, the numbers are powerful. Consider this: estimates indicate that by 2040, 40 per cent of our workforce will be immigrants. CBC News Calgary1:35:59Unsettling: Are we fulfilling the promise of immigration? January 18th forum Canada's immigrant population is soaring. In Calgary, the surge has put pressure on infrastructure and service delivery, from the housing market to health care. Without critical supports in place for newcomers, is it time to reconsider immigration levels? Would you recommend a move to Canada to family and friends abroad? Judy Aldous hosted a panel discussion at Calgary's Central Library, with a group of immigration experts, to tackle some of these questions. There is growing acknowledgment that the country doesn't have the capacity to integrate the increasing number of immigrants. Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada. "It's something we are going to look at in the first quarter, first half of this year," Miller said in an interview on CTV's Question Period earlier this week. "That volume is really disconcerting. It's really a system that has gotten out of control." Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press) International students were a focus of Thursday night's conversation. Immigration lawyer Raj Sharma was one of the panellists invited to speak. "International students went from heroes to zeros," said Sharma, pointing out that in 2022, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada introduced a pilot allowing international students to work more than the usual 20-hour-per-week limit. "All of a sudden the international students are responsible for some sort of housing affordability and access." Immigration Minister Marc Miller has also tried to turn the turn spotlight away from Ottawa and shine the light on the role he says the provinces need to play. IN DEPTH Number of non-permanent residents in Alberta soared to 180,000 at the end of 2023 IN DEPTH Waitlist for English language classes in Calgary shoots up to 7,455 people "It's a conversation we need to have with the provinces so that provinces not doing their jobs reign in those numbers on a pure volume basis." The pressure to make changes is coming from all sides. At an Economic Club of Canada discussion earlier in January, Beata Caranci, chief economist at TD Bank, offered a blunt assessment. "Frankly, I'm surprised we have screwed it up because we are so privileged in Canada. We don't have two million people crashing our borders like they do in the United States, we don't have to fight that battle," she said. "We're not dealing with this migrant flow across the border … we design our own policy, we put it in place, we implement it, and we still screwed it up." Beata Caranci, chief economist at TD Bank, offered a blunt assessment of the country's immigration policy at an Economic Club of Canada discussion earlier this year. 'We design our own policy, we put it in place, we implement it and we still screwed it up,' she said. (Laura MacNaughton/CBC) And Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has been on the attack for months. "Canada's immigration system is broken," he has said. Poilievre has promised that, if elected, he would link the number of immigrants to the number of houses built, though he's not said if he would roll back Canada's permanent resident targets or reduce the number of non-permanent residents. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has promised that, if elected, he would link the number of immigrants to the number of houses built. (The Canadian Press/Paul Daly) Change is coming With all this pressure, change was bound to come and the first hints of it arrived earlier this week. A senior government source has told Radio-Canada that Ottawa is planning to limit the number of international students in some provinces. Ontario, British Columbia and Nova Scotia have all been raised as possibilities. In an email to CBC, Alberta Advanced Education Minister Rajan Sawhney said Alberta is not one of the provinces being considered for the cap. "The federal government has not discussed the concept of a hard cap on the number of international students with the province," she wrote. Alberta Advanced Education Minister Rajan Sawhney says Alberta is not one of the provinces being considered for a federal cap on the total number of international students. (Trevor Wilson/CBC ) As far as international students are concerned, other changes have been made. For instance, prospective international students now need to show proof of access to $20,635 in funds, up from $10,000, in addition to paying for travel, accommodation, and tuition. It is a one-time requirement when applying for a student visa in Canada and it's meant to ensure students can afford the higher cost of living. International students are also being given the opportunity to make more money during the academic year to live on. The previous cap of 20 hours per week was lifted during the pandemic and that policy has been extended until April this year. Talks are on to reassess the policy and increase the limit to 30 hours per week in the future. Caught in the crosshairs International student and University of Calgary student union vice-president Mateusz Salmassi says students like him feel caught in the middle, an experience that he calls "jarring." "Any time immigrants are caught in the middle of a debate around whether there are enough resources in a country, it tends to spell not so good news for the immigrants." International student and University of Calgary student union vice-president Mateusz Salmassi says students like him feel caught in the middle, an experience he calls 'jarring.' (Submitted by Mateusz Salmassi) Salmassi says what's been forgotten is that international students don't just pay higher tuition and help keep schools afloat, they contribute to the broader economy. "We contribute $3.7 billion in tax revenue alone and we work in key industries that Canada really needs if we're going to get out of some of the affordability crisis that we're facing," he said. According to Salmassi, implementing a cap on numbers is not the solution. Investing in on-campus housing is. "We've been calling on the federal government [to] invest $3.25 billion into building 75,000 new on-campus residence beds that would give students the safety and the affordable housing that they need and that would be the actual solution to some of the pressures that we're seeing," Salmassi said. For University of Alberta political scientist Reza Hasmath, it's hard to watch the issue of immigration being used as political fodder. "If you look at other jurisdictions, this happens all the time," he said. "It's always easier to point to the immigrants: 'They're the reasons we're not having affordability.' Especially during political election season. It's an easy group to target." IN DEPTH Competition for immigrants set to increase, according to experts IN DEPTH 'Demand is bigger than what we can produce': How immigrants help build the homes they hope to one day live in Hasmath says the federal Liberals have not dealt with the structural ideas around housing supply for a decade. "I think that's a strategic mistake they made." Hasmath says this oversight will continue to haunt the government. "They didn't realize just how intricately linked housing and immigration is … this is a political issue they're going to have to deal with and they're going to do a terrible job because they don't have the time to deal with it in an effective way." Edited January 19 by Ricky Ravioli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Ricky Ravioli said: You don't say? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/immigration-canada-challenges-international-students-alberta-calgary-1.7088195 Sections Elements of immigration system 'out of control,' says federal minister as pressure to make changes increases | CBC News Loaded Calgary·In Depth Elements of immigration system 'out of control,' says federal minister as pressure to make changes increases Estimates indicate 40 per cent of our workforce will be immigrants by 2040 Judy Aldous, Carla Turner, Boshika Gupta · CBC News · Posted: Jan 19, 2024 7:08 AM PST | Last Updated: 3 hours ago International students were a focus of discussion at a CBC Calgary live town hall on Thursday night. Around 150 people attended the event. (Will Tigley/CBC) Social Sharing This is Part 5 of Unsettling, a series on immigration by CBC Calgary. About 150 people braved the cold to attend a CBC Calgary live town hall Thursday night to talk about international immigration to Calgary and if our city is ready for what's to come. When it comes to immigration, the numbers are powerful. Consider this: estimates indicate that by 2040, 40 per cent of our workforce will be immigrants. CBC News Calgary1:35:59Unsettling: Are we fulfilling the promise of immigration? January 18th forum Canada's immigrant population is soaring. In Calgary, the surge has put pressure on infrastructure and service delivery, from the housing market to health care. Without critical supports in place for newcomers, is it time to reconsider immigration levels? Would you recommend a move to Canada to family and friends abroad? Judy Aldous hosted a panel discussion at Calgary's Central Library, with a group of immigration experts, to tackle some of these questions. There is growing acknowledgment that the country doesn't have the capacity to integrate the increasing number of immigrants. Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada. "It's something we are going to look at in the first quarter, first half of this year," Miller said in an interview on CTV's Question Period earlier this week. "That volume is really disconcerting. It's really a system that has gotten out of control." Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press) International students were a focus of Thursday night's conversation. Immigration lawyer Raj Sharma was one of the panellists invited to speak. "International students went from heroes to zeros," said Sharma, pointing out that in 2022, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada introduced a pilot allowing international students to work more than the usual 20-hour-per-week limit. "All of a sudden the international students are responsible for some sort of housing affordability and access." Immigration Minister Marc Miller has also tried to turn the turn spotlight away from Ottawa and shine the light on the role he says the provinces need to play. IN DEPTH Number of non-permanent residents in Alberta soared to 180,000 at the end of 2023 IN DEPTH Waitlist for English language classes in Calgary shoots up to 7,455 people "It's a conversation we need to have with the provinces so that provinces not doing their jobs reign in those numbers on a pure volume basis." The pressure to make changes is coming from all sides. At an Economic Club of Canada discussion earlier in January, Beata Caranci, chief economist at TD Bank, offered a blunt assessment. "Frankly, I'm surprised we have screwed it up because we are so privileged in Canada. We don't have two million people crashing our borders like they do in the United States, we don't have to fight that battle," she said. "We're not dealing with this migrant flow across the border … we design our own policy, we put it in place, we implement it, and we still screwed it up." Beata Caranci, chief economist at TD Bank, offered a blunt assessment of the country's immigration policy at an Economic Club of Canada discussion earlier this year. 'We design our own policy, we put it in place, we implement it and we still screwed it up,' she said. (Laura MacNaughton/CBC) And Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has been on the attack for months. "Canada's immigration system is broken," he has said. Poilievre has promised that, if elected, he would link the number of immigrants to the number of houses built, though he's not said if he would roll back Canada's permanent resident targets or reduce the number of non-permanent residents. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has promised that, if elected, he would link the number of immigrants to the number of houses built. (The Canadian Press/Paul Daly) Change is coming With all this pressure, change was bound to come and the first hints of it arrived earlier this week. A senior government source has told Radio-Canada that Ottawa is planning to limit the number of international students in some provinces. Ontario, British Columbia and Nova Scotia have all been raised as possibilities. In an email to CBC, Alberta Advanced Education Minister Rajan Sawhney said Alberta is not one of the provinces being considered for the cap. "The federal government has not discussed the concept of a hard cap on the number of international students with the province," she wrote. Alberta Advanced Education Minister Rajan Sawhney says Alberta is not one of the provinces being considered for a federal cap on the total number of international students. (Trevor Wilson/CBC ) As far as international students are concerned, other changes have been made. For instance, prospective international students now need to show proof of access to $20,635 in funds, up from $10,000, in addition to paying for travel, accommodation, and tuition. It is a one-time requirement when applying for a student visa in Canada and it's meant to ensure students can afford the higher cost of living. International students are also being given the opportunity to make more money during the academic year to live on. The previous cap of 20 hours per week was lifted during the pandemic and that policy has been extended until April this year. Talks are on to reassess the policy and increase the limit to 30 hours per week in the future. Caught in the crosshairs International student and University of Calgary student union vice-president Mateusz Salmassi says students like him feel caught in the middle, an experience that he calls "jarring." "Any time immigrants are caught in the middle of a debate around whether there are enough resources in a country, it tends to spell not so good news for the immigrants." International student and University of Calgary student union vice-president Mateusz Salmassi says students like him feel caught in the middle, an experience he calls 'jarring.' (Submitted by Mateusz Salmassi) Salmassi says what's been forgotten is that international students don't just pay higher tuition and help keep schools afloat, they contribute to the broader economy. "We contribute $3.7 billion in tax revenue alone and we work in key industries that Canada really needs if we're going to get out of some of the affordability crisis that we're facing," he said. According to Salmassi, implementing a cap on numbers is not the solution. Investing in on-campus housing is. "We've been calling on the federal government [to] invest $3.25 billion into building 75,000 new on-campus residence beds that would give students the safety and the affordable housing that they need and that would be the actual solution to some of the pressures that we're seeing," Salmassi said. For University of Alberta political scientist Reza Hasmath, it's hard to watch the issue of immigration being used as political fodder. "If you look at other jurisdictions, this happens all the time," he said. "It's always easier to point to the immigrants: 'They're the reasons we're not having affordability.' Especially during political election season. It's an easy group to target." IN DEPTH Competition for immigrants set to increase, according to experts IN DEPTH 'Demand is bigger than what we can produce': How immigrants help build the homes they hope to one day live in Hasmath says the federal Liberals have not dealt with the structural ideas around housing supply for a decade. "I think that's a strategic mistake they made." Hasmath says this oversight will continue to haunt the government. "They didn't realize just how intricately linked housing and immigration is … this is a political issue they're going to have to deal with and they're going to do a terrible job because they don't have the time to deal with it in an effective way." I thought CBC was a bad source and liberal propaganda according to your kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I thought CBC was a bad source and liberal propaganda according to your kind. What the hell is "my kind"? What is actually wrong with you? What kind of loser labels people they don't even know? How about you just address the content of the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: What the hell is "my kind"? What is actually wrong with you? What kind of loser labels people they don't even know? How about you just address the content of the article? PP apologists in this thread who have been consistently trying to discredit CBC as a source... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, King Heffy said: PP apologists in this thread who have been consistently trying to discredit CBC as a source... Again. Why am I being lumped in and labeled? The only thing I have done is call you out on your attempted spreading of misinformation. Have I once ever said anything about CBC? No. Do you have any rebuttal to the article itself or just more deflection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Ricky Ravioli said: You don't say? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/immigration-canada-challenges-international-students-alberta-calgary-1.7088195 Sections Elements of immigration system 'out of control,' says federal minister as pressure to make changes increases | CBC News Loaded Calgary·In Depth Elements of immigration system 'out of control,' says federal minister as pressure to make changes increases Estimates indicate 40 per cent of our workforce will be immigrants by 2040 Judy Aldous, Carla Turner, Boshika Gupta · CBC News · Posted: Jan 19, 2024 7:08 AM PST | Last Updated: 3 hours ago International students were a focus of discussion at a CBC Calgary live town hall on Thursday night. Around 150 people attended the event. (Will Tigley/CBC) Social Sharing This is Part 5 of Unsettling, a series on immigration by CBC Calgary. About 150 people braved the cold to attend a CBC Calgary live town hall Thursday night to talk about international immigration to Calgary and if our city is ready for what's to come. When it comes to immigration, the numbers are powerful. Consider this: estimates indicate that by 2040, 40 per cent of our workforce will be immigrants. CBC News Calgary1:35:59Unsettling: Are we fulfilling the promise of immigration? January 18th forum Canada's immigrant population is soaring. In Calgary, the surge has put pressure on infrastructure and service delivery, from the housing market to health care. Without critical supports in place for newcomers, is it time to reconsider immigration levels? Would you recommend a move to Canada to family and friends abroad? Judy Aldous hosted a panel discussion at Calgary's Central Library, with a group of immigration experts, to tackle some of these questions. There is growing acknowledgment that the country doesn't have the capacity to integrate the increasing number of immigrants. Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada. "It's something we are going to look at in the first quarter, first half of this year," Miller said in an interview on CTV's Question Period earlier this week. "That volume is really disconcerting. It's really a system that has gotten out of control." Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller has said that the number of temporary workers and international students has grown too quickly in Canada. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press) International students were a focus of Thursday night's conversation. Immigration lawyer Raj Sharma was one of the panellists invited to speak. "International students went from heroes to zeros," said Sharma, pointing out that in 2022, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada introduced a pilot allowing international students to work more than the usual 20-hour-per-week limit. "All of a sudden the international students are responsible for some sort of housing affordability and access." Immigration Minister Marc Miller has also tried to turn the turn spotlight away from Ottawa and shine the light on the role he says the provinces need to play. IN DEPTH Number of non-permanent residents in Alberta soared to 180,000 at the end of 2023 IN DEPTH Waitlist for English language classes in Calgary shoots up to 7,455 people "It's a conversation we need to have with the provinces so that provinces not doing their jobs reign in those numbers on a pure volume basis." The pressure to make changes is coming from all sides. At an Economic Club of Canada discussion earlier in January, Beata Caranci, chief economist at TD Bank, offered a blunt assessment. "Frankly, I'm surprised we have screwed it up because we are so privileged in Canada. We don't have two million people crashing our borders like they do in the United States, we don't have to fight that battle," she said. "We're not dealing with this migrant flow across the border … we design our own policy, we put it in place, we implement it, and we still screwed it up." Beata Caranci, chief economist at TD Bank, offered a blunt assessment of the country's immigration policy at an Economic Club of Canada discussion earlier this year. 'We design our own policy, we put it in place, we implement it and we still screwed it up,' she said. (Laura MacNaughton/CBC) And Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has been on the attack for months. "Canada's immigration system is broken," he has said. Poilievre has promised that, if elected, he would link the number of immigrants to the number of houses built, though he's not said if he would roll back Canada's permanent resident targets or reduce the number of non-permanent residents. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has promised that, if elected, he would link the number of immigrants to the number of houses built. (The Canadian Press/Paul Daly) Change is coming With all this pressure, change was bound to come and the first hints of it arrived earlier this week. A senior government source has told Radio-Canada that Ottawa is planning to limit the number of international students in some provinces. Ontario, British Columbia and Nova Scotia have all been raised as possibilities. In an email to CBC, Alberta Advanced Education Minister Rajan Sawhney said Alberta is not one of the provinces being considered for the cap. "The federal government has not discussed the concept of a hard cap on the number of international students with the province," she wrote. Alberta Advanced Education Minister Rajan Sawhney says Alberta is not one of the provinces being considered for a federal cap on the total number of international students. (Trevor Wilson/CBC ) As far as international students are concerned, other changes have been made. For instance, prospective international students now need to show proof of access to $20,635 in funds, up from $10,000, in addition to paying for travel, accommodation, and tuition. It is a one-time requirement when applying for a student visa in Canada and it's meant to ensure students can afford the higher cost of living. International students are also being given the opportunity to make more money during the academic year to live on. The previous cap of 20 hours per week was lifted during the pandemic and that policy has been extended until April this year. Talks are on to reassess the policy and increase the limit to 30 hours per week in the future. Caught in the crosshairs International student and University of Calgary student union vice-president Mateusz Salmassi says students like him feel caught in the middle, an experience that he calls "jarring." "Any time immigrants are caught in the middle of a debate around whether there are enough resources in a country, it tends to spell not so good news for the immigrants." International student and University of Calgary student union vice-president Mateusz Salmassi says students like him feel caught in the middle, an experience he calls 'jarring.' (Submitted by Mateusz Salmassi) Salmassi says what's been forgotten is that international students don't just pay higher tuition and help keep schools afloat, they contribute to the broader economy. "We contribute $3.7 billion in tax revenue alone and we work in key industries that Canada really needs if we're going to get out of some of the affordability crisis that we're facing," he said. According to Salmassi, implementing a cap on numbers is not the solution. Investing in on-campus housing is. "We've been calling on the federal government [to] invest $3.25 billion into building 75,000 new on-campus residence beds that would give students the safety and the affordable housing that they need and that would be the actual solution to some of the pressures that we're seeing," Salmassi said. For University of Alberta political scientist Reza Hasmath, it's hard to watch the issue of immigration being used as political fodder. "If you look at other jurisdictions, this happens all the time," he said. "It's always easier to point to the immigrants: 'They're the reasons we're not having affordability.' Especially during political election season. It's an easy group to target." IN DEPTH Competition for immigrants set to increase, according to experts IN DEPTH 'Demand is bigger than what we can produce': How immigrants help build the homes they hope to one day live in Hasmath says the federal Liberals have not dealt with the structural ideas around housing supply for a decade. "I think that's a strategic mistake they made." Hasmath says this oversight will continue to haunt the government. "They didn't realize just how intricately linked housing and immigration is … this is a political issue they're going to have to deal with and they're going to do a terrible job because they don't have the time to deal with it in an effective way." PP is a lock to win next election. He's historically been pro-immigration over his political career so I'm not holding my breath. If he were to slash immigration (by a lot) and get it back down to reasonable levels, that will help his eventual re-election campaign more than anything. For Canada, the #1 priority is balancing immigration vs. social security, housing availability, and healthcare. We're on a runaway train towards homelessness, weak GDP growth as everyone is spending all their earnings on rent and food, and healthcare collapse. Canada needs a breather to catch up on infrastructure. If PP can do that, I'll gladly vote for him. If he focuses more on blaming others than actual effective policy which is what I fear will happen, then I hope there's a viable alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Again. Why am I being lumped in and labeled? The only thing I have done is call you out on your attempted spreading of misinformation. Have I once ever said anything about CBC? No. Do you have any rebuttal to the article itself or just more deflection? We'll need the immigration to keep up the tax base with an aging population unless you'd like to experience what Japan is going through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: We'll need the immigration to keep up the tax base with an aging population unless you'd like to experience what Japan is going through. We do need immigration. Immigration on this scale Is not working and is only causing more harm. "Canada's total population growth for the first nine months of 2023 (+1,030,378 people) had already exceeded the total growth for any other full-year period since Confederation in 1867, including 2022, when there was a record growth." That is not sustainable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: We do need immigration. Immigration on this scale Is not working and is only causing more harm. "Canada's total population growth for the first nine months of 2023 (+1,030,378 people) had already exceeded the total growth for any other full-year period since Confederation in 1867, including 2022, when there was a record growth." That is not sustainable Out of curiosity, how many of that million plus people were immigrants as opposed to higher birth rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 2 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Out of curiosity, how many of that million plus people were immigrants as opposed to higher birth rate? Birth rates have been declining since 2016. Last year was 10.072 births per 1000 people Edited January 19 by Ricky Ravioli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 ITzZZ Da ImAgrAnTzzz We are a nation of IMMIGRANGTS. The US is a nation of IMMIGRANTS. As RR pointed out, our birthrates have plummeted. If you want your double double, who is going to work the drive through window? There isn't enough lil Johns and Janes. Our problems didn't just magically appear in 2016 nor is one thing the cause. There also is no silver bullet. You want more houses, who is going to build them? You want a decent economy, then we need more people. We need more people, then we need more housing. We need more housing, then who is going to build them? We need more housing, then local and provincial governments need to get off their posteriors and do multiple things. Nope, its all Trudopes fault. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 57 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Birth rates have been declining since 2016. Last year was 10.072 births per 1000 people not getting any, Ricky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: ITzZZ Da ImAgrAnTzzz We are a nation of IMMIGRANGTS. The US is a nation of IMMIGRANTS. As RR pointed out, our birthrates have plummeted. If you want your double double, who is going to work the drive through window? There isn't enough lil Johns and Janes. Our problems didn't just magically appear in 2016 nor is one thing the cause. There also is no silver bullet. You want more houses, who is going to build them? You want a decent economy, then we need more people. We need more people, then we need more housing. We need more housing, then who is going to build them? We need more housing, then local and provincial governments need to get off their posteriors and do multiple things. Nope, its all Trudopes fault. Don't forget universities run by provinces that allowed students, thats Trudope too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: ITzZZ Da ImAgrAnTzzz We are a nation of IMMIGRANGTS. The US is a nation of IMMIGRANTS. As RR pointed out, our birthrates have plummeted. If you want your double double, who is going to work the drive through window? There isn't enough lil Johns and Janes. Our problems didn't just magically appear in 2016 nor is one thing the cause. There also is no silver bullet. You want more houses, who is going to build them? You want a decent economy, then we need more people. We need more people, then we need more housing. We need more housing, then who is going to build them? We need more housing, then local and provincial governments need to get off their posteriors and do multiple things. Nope, its all Trudopes fault. Our current immigration numbers aren't helping any of those. in fact, they are having the opposite effect. Who is in charge of the government allowing that to happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Canada’s target for immigration in 2024 is 485,000. https://globalnews.ca/news/10084659/canada-immigration-target-breakdown/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Want to blame someone ? Blame right wing governments and policies.... And i mean both libs and cons Those great times Millhouse is raving about was a time when one income supported a family and most had pensions even before the CPP came into being. One income families can afford to and did have ... More kids Capitalism demands maximized business profit which can only be fully achieved by lower wages and benefits. Companies may have to cut a price or two if sales slow but labour can be outsourced to cheaper places so easily Heck most buy Canada items used are made in China The delicate balance between workers rights and pay vs owners profits are heavily slanted to business now In 2023 we saw 2 records broken.... Consumer debt hit the highest we have ever had and corporate profits hit record growth and highs. Only the most politically blinded can't see the link 50 years ago one pay made it .... Many families had the other spouse take small part time jobs to make extra..... Now that person must work full time as with their partner just to survive.... No one is left for those part time day jobs..... Thus business needs those foreign workers to stay open. Since 1950 with anti union legislation both cons and Liberals have destroyed the working calls and Millhouse has ZERO interest in fixing it. He the same as Trudeau want only to toss enough crumbs at people so they can say they did something My grandfather use to say the real inflation test was the bread test. Take your wage and item cost in any year and calculate how long it takes you to work to earn it. Forward a decade or 2 and do the same In 2000 I bought a house for 125k. My tlyesrlt wage was 45k. That means the house cost approx 2.8 years of my full wages to buy In 2020 that same job pays 60k and that house would cost 750k. It takes that same worker 12.5 years wages to buy the same house working the same job You can't drop that house back down to 140k as.that drop would bankrupt nearly every house owner You can't raise wages by 4 x as that would bankrupt the company Cutting immigration and axing carbon tax will do ZERO to fix it Building a million new homes without significantly raising wages won't do anything to fix it as.it just means a million more new homes few can afford The fix is to legislate production back into Canada and give workers and employers the same equal rights to strike or lock out so they can again find that balance in wages and profits that both can live with Millhouse ..... Saying you want to go back to 1950 only workers when we reign in these obscene billionaires 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Low birth rates because people can't afford children, because things like housing is too expensive.. partly because we let in too many immigrants. It's really not hard to figure out. The birth rate has continuously dropped since 2016, the start of turd boys reign. He's done Edited January 20 by Wiggums 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Wiggums said: Low birth rates because people can't afford children, because things like housing are too expensive...because we let in too many immigrants. It's really not hard to figure out. The birth rate has continuously dropped since 2016 I can't help but notice that in your post you are literally connecting dots. That can be hard to do but when there's a will there's a way. That said, yes we have to build a lot more homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Wiggums said: Low birth rates because people can't afford children, because things like housing is too expensive.. partly because we let in too many immigrants. It's really not hard to figure out. The birth rate has continuously dropped since 2016, the start of turd boys reign. He's done Yea as soon as PP is elected people will start screwing again. Bring it home baby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Yea as soon as PP is elected people will start screwing again. Bring it home baby. PP, DD, EE, who gives a shit who it is. When people can afford to have children, can work less hours to make ends meet and look after their children then yes, people will start "screwing" again. If we let in less immigrants the country will be even worse off? We're dealing with a historically bad economy, at the same time we've been pumping in historically high numbers of immigrants and your good idea to fix things is to bring in even more immigrants. Great work everyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 18 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Yea as soon as PP is elected people will start screwing again. Bring it home baby. No, clearly the issue regarding the low birth rate is that guys that would otherwise be having babies with their wives are too busy fucking Trudeau. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 31 minutes ago, Wiggums said: PP, DD, EE, who gives a shit who it is. When people can afford to have children, can work less hours to make ends meet and look after their children then yes, people will start "screwing" again. If we let in less immigrants the country will be even worse off? We're dealing with a historically bad economy, at the same time we've been pumping in historically high numbers of immigrants and your good idea to fix things is to bring in even more immigrants. Great work everyone People in the west and other industrialized nations don't have more kids because you don't need to. It's not a Justin thing ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: People in the west and other industrialized nations don't have more kids because you don't need to. It's not a Justin thing ffs. Damn that JT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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