Warhippy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, StrayDog said: Yup. Perfectly normal "centrist" talking points here. Nothing right-leaning in any of these quotes. Like, at all.... I was tempted but didn't wanna waste the energy. There's more though lol in just the last 10 pages. Go over to the US thread and there's even more "centrist" points of view 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Yup. Perfectly normal "centrist" talking points here. Nothing right-leaning in any of these quotes. Like, at all.... I'm just curious to know what he's in the center of. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I was tempted but didn't wanna waste the energy. There's more though lol in just the last 10 pages. Go over to the US thread and there's even more "centrist" points of view Oh I'm sure. No one screams "I'm a centrist!" louder than the right wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Oh I'm sure. No one screams "I'm a centrist!" louder than the right wing. I like to consider myself pretty in the middle. A small c conservative, small l liberal. Just means I can accept both parties CAN have good ideas but that both parties are run by idiots 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I like to consider myself pretty in the middle. A small c conservative, small l liberal. Just means I can accept both parties CAN have good ideas but that both parties are run by idiots Yeah. I lean right financially but left socially. I can accept that both parties can have good ideas; I'm just waiting for one to show up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 44 minutes ago, DSVII said: I'm willing to bet that's the same crowd that would tell everyone to keep politics out of sport from the pride tape saga earlier this year. Sure, would be a good guess. UFC has done a real disservice to the sport of mma in regards to mixing in politics. Recently they have been having Donald Trump 'walk outs' to his front row seats at events, with Tucker Carlson and the likes in tow. That an anti JT theme happend in TO when the UFC visited is well ...by design imo. Even though it's Canada... Dana is all about that right wing life. I'v seen headlines where everyones fav Dr Joe Rogan is also flappin his yap at Canada too about that ufc crowd, but havent been bothered to read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 55 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I'm just curious to know what he's in the center of. Smack dab in the centre of the... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Rob Eh said: Marxists, especially the antifa variety, are useful idiots of the highest order. Karl Marx wasn't even a poor guy, he was a useless bum that depended on his rich family to pay all his bills but he had the best education money could buy. His dad was a rich industrialist that was a descendant of the Rothschild family. Klaus Schwab can be linked back to Karl Marx. You've been hoodwinked by the ultra elite. Quick google debunks this. There is a reuters article on it. No Schwab is not related to the Rothschilds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Eesh do we desperately need ranked ballot voting reform. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-canadians-who-plan-to-vote-liberal-doing-so-to-stop-conservatives-from-winning-poll-1.6737176 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: Eesh do we desperately need ranked ballot voting reform. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-canadians-who-plan-to-vote-liberal-doing-so-to-stop-conservatives-from-winning-poll-1.6737176 I'd love to see juggy and Justin sneak this back in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 58 minutes ago, aGENT said: Eesh do we desperately need ranked ballot voting reform. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-canadians-who-plan-to-vote-liberal-doing-so-to-stop-conservatives-from-winning-poll-1.6737176 Trudeau messed this up by breaking his electoral reform promise. Probably one of the top mistakes of his tenure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 13 hours ago, StrayDog said: Yup. Perfectly normal "centrist" talking points here. Nothing right-leaning in any of these quotes. Like, at all.... He's left of the guy who will eventually start proposing putting all these leftists, antifa, BLM and "degeneretes" in camps. Edited January 23 by DSVII 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Breaking news: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-federal-court-1.7091891 Quote In order to declare a public order emergency, the Emergencies Act requires that there be "an emergency that arises from threats to the security of Canada that are so serious as to be a national emergency." The Act defers to CSIS's definition of "threats to the security of Canada." Federal Court Justice Richard Mosley said the situation created by the protests did not meet that threshold. "I have concluded that the decision to issue the Proclamation does not bear the hallmarks of reasonableness – justification, transparency and intelligibility – and was not justified in relation to the relevant factual and legal constraints that were required to be taken into consideration," he said in his decision. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 40 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Breaking news: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-federal-court-1.7091891 I wish I had more time to dig in to this right now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 15 hours ago, StrayDog said: Yup. Perfectly normal "centrist" talking points here. Nothing right-leaning in any of these quotes. Like, at all.... It makes me wonder why he doesn't just say he's right-leaning, which he obviously is. Perhaps he used to be centrist and was proud of that but then started to radicalize a bit (like many others during Trump times unfortunately) while still thinking he was a centrist. It really goes to show we have work to do to at least get people back to center, especially the ones who believe they're centrist but really are not. Edited January 23 by The Lock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: Breaking news: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-federal-court-1.7091891 That's a real bad look for the Liberals. Now they will spend Canadians tax dollars to appeal it. Pierre will pounce on this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Eesh do we desperately need ranked ballot voting reform. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-canadians-who-plan-to-vote-liberal-doing-so-to-stop-conservatives-from-winning-poll-1.6737176 I would trade a permanent change to this style in exchange for a conservative government that I would detest. It is my number one wish for Canadian politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, DSVII said: Trudeau messed this up by breaking his electoral reform promise. Probably one of the top mistakes of his tenure. Should he have forced it to happen against the will of both the CON party and the NDP party? How would it be legitimized without multiparty support? I wish he did it too, but how does one make an incredible change to federal election policy with one party supporting that change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: That's a real bad look for the Liberals. Now they will spend Canadians tax dollars to appeal it. Pierre will pounce on this. My guess is that the Liberals will respond by pointing out how much the blockade itself cost taxpayers: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/canadas-trucker-protests-leave-businesses-taxpayers-with-hefty-bills-2022-02-24/ Quote A three-week long protest in Canada against pandemic measures that snarled trade and shuttered Ottawa's core likely cost billions in trade delays, tens of millions in lost sales for businesses, and left behind a hefty policing and clean-up tab. They'll also likely point out that Pierre supported the convoy members.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Should he have forced it to happen against the will of both the CON party and the NDP party? How would it be legitimized without multiparty support? I wish he did it too, but how does one make an incredible change to federal election policy with one party supporting that change? It's almost like he knew he could make that promise without actually following through... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: Breaking news: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-federal-court-1.7091891 I am looking forward to Power and Politics this afternoon, on the CBC news network, Should be the best episode of the year. My initial shock at the decision, then reading the whole thing out, turned to a reasonable razor thin call on the part of the Justice. I believe we will see a federal court of appeal verdict and then a supreme court verdict on this case at appeal. I believe the decision could be just as easily overturned to a razor thin victory for the Government. Still, we won't know for some time until the Supreme Court decision on this very precedent setting case. I feel the decision was either 99% of the way there to meeting the threshold, or right at it with 100, or maybe a tick above. It isn't as if the case was overwhelmingly against the decision to enact it, it is very nuanced. I will wait on the Supreme Court verdict. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: It's almost like he knew he could make that promise without actually following through... I worked with the Liberal Party of Canada at the time, and it was a major plank that simply had no way forward without wide multi party support. Cons were 100% against changes, NDP were 100% entrenched in a system that would give parties and not people seats, which is a non starter for making things better. Do we want fascists or communists to have 1 or 2 seats in the future and hold the balance of power in a minority? I don't want extreme minority parties to hold the balance of power, and most think tanks also do not want that future for Canada. Once the concept was dead on arrival with the federalist parties 2 to 1 against Ranked Ballots: there was no choice but to put it behind us. Perhaps it will have a better chance in a future makeup of the House. I really want it done, ranked ballot is tthe way to go, progressively, in order to enhance faith in our elected officials. over 50% of each local voter base will end up with some support for the eventual winner with ranked ballots. With Proporsional Representation Parties will have seats that the party elite will get to staff behind closed doors and that is undemocratic in the extreme. The current system is better than Prop Rep and not as good as Ranked Ballots. It is what it is though, Trudeau wanted it and couldn't deliver, so folks are mad. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, aGENT said: I wish I had more time to dig in to this right now... Wait for the appeal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: I worked with the Liberal Party of Canada at the time, and it was a major plank that simply had no way forward without wide multi party support. Cons were 100% against changes, NDP were 100% entrenched in a system that would give parties and not people seats, which is a non starter for making things better. Do we want fascists or communists to have 1 or 2 seats in the future and hold the balance of power in a minority? I don't want extreme minority parties to hold the balance of power, and most think tanks also do not want that future for Canada. Once the concept was dead on arrival with the federalist parties 2 to 1 against Ranked Ballots: there was no choice but to put it behind us. Perhaps it will have a better chance in a future makeup of the House. I really want it done, ranked ballot is tthe way to go, progressively, in order to enhance faith in our elected officials. over 50% of each local voter base will end up with some support for the eventual winner with ranked ballots. With Proporsional Representation Parties will have seats that the party elite will get to staff behind closed doors and that is undemocratic in the extreme. The current system is better than Prop Rep and not as good as Ranked Ballots. It is what it is though, Trudeau wanted it and couldn't deliver, so folks are mad. I really don't understand the NDPs unwillingness to support ranked ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 20 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: I worked with the Liberal Party of Canada at the time, and it was a major plank that simply had no way forward without wide multi party support. Cons were 100% against changes, NDP were 100% entrenched in a system that would give parties and not people seats, which is a non starter for making things better. Do we want fascists or communists to have 1 or 2 seats in the future and hold the balance of power in a minority? I don't want extreme minority parties to hold the balance of power, and most think tanks also do not want that future for Canada. Once the concept was dead on arrival with the federalist parties 2 to 1 against Ranked Ballots: there was no choice but to put it behind us. Perhaps it will have a better chance in a future makeup of the House. I really want it done, ranked ballot is tthe way to go, progressively, in order to enhance faith in our elected officials. over 50% of each local voter base will end up with some support for the eventual winner with ranked ballots. With Proporsional Representation Parties will have seats that the party elite will get to staff behind closed doors and that is undemocratic in the extreme. The current system is better than Prop Rep and not as good as Ranked Ballots. It is what it is though, Trudeau wanted it and couldn't deliver, so folks are mad. 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I really don't understand the NDPs unwillingness to support ranked ballot. This. They're making "perfection" the enemy of good. And even then, it's "perfection" only in that it was the system that likely saw them with the most seats, not "perfection" for voters. Take the extra seats and votes you'd gain under ranked ballot and call it a win... Idiots. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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