4petesake Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 19 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Housing starts didn’t increase until later on in 2021. Probably linked to people getting vaccinated. Here are the housing starts stats from September 2021: Canadian housing starts declined for the fourth consecutive month in September, but remain strong compared to typical pre-pandemic activity. Housing starts decreased by 11.6k to 251.2k units (-4.4% m/m) in September at a seasonally-adjusted annual rate (SAAR). Comparing year-over-year, starts were up significantly from September of 2020 (20.1% y/y). Single-detached housing starts dipped 5% in September to 76.7k, while multi-family and others declined 4% to 174.4k (SAAR). In British Columbia, starts declined for a third consecutive month, dropping sharply by 23.7% m/m to 35.9k units SAAR in all areas of the province. Single-detached starts rose 9.6% m/m to 7.9k units while multi-family starts offset this growth with a 32.5% decline to 23.7k units. Despite this, starts in the province remained 11% above the levels from September 2020. BC's six-month moving average for starts declined sharply following three months of gains. Housing starts in 2021 were stronger obviously than in 2020, however overall things really didn’t pick up until after the summer. That’s not consistent with what I’m seeing here. https://assets.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/housing-data-tables/housing-market-data/monthly-housing-starts-construction-data-tables/2021/monthly-housing-starts-tables-2021-12-en.xlsx?rev=ce416cab-9376-4e04-868a-4198cee522d2&_gl=1*142aotr*_ga*OTU0MzE1MTk4LjE3MDY5NDU0MjI.*_ga_CY7T7RT5C4*MTcwNjk0NTQyMS4xLjEuMTcwNjk0NTUxMS4zMC4wLjA.*_gcl_au*MzYyODA4NzA5LjE3MDY5NDU0MjI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 40 minutes ago, 4petesake said: That’s not consistent with what I’m seeing here. https://assets.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/housing-data-tables/housing-market-data/monthly-housing-starts-construction-data-tables/2021/monthly-housing-starts-tables-2021-12-en.xlsx?rev=ce416cab-9376-4e04-868a-4198cee522d2&_gl=1*142aotr*_ga*OTU0MzE1MTk4LjE3MDY5NDU0MjI.*_ga_CY7T7RT5C4*MTcwNjk0NTQyMS4xLjEuMTcwNjk0NTUxMS4zMC4wLjA.*_gcl_au*MzYyODA4NzA5LjE3MDY5NDU0MjI. Seems pretty consistent to me. From what you posted it shows housing starts declining in 2021 for 5 consecutive months which is I think what I posted. I did a deeper dive and have an updated chart from last week. Looks like housing starts have slowed down since 2021 and 2022 was actually worse than 2021. 2023 was much better. 2024 is expected to reach 2021 levels from what I hear. Big things are expected this year. Look for real estate prices to start going up as early as next month. Sales in January were quite strong. Through all of this research I actually forgot what we were debating. I think it was that there was a lumber shortage in 2021 which caused a massive spike in lumber costs. Yes there was a massive increase in lumber costs. I personally did not hear or see anyone complaining about not being able to get their lumber in 2021. But hey I’m just a dude on an anonymous forum so what do I know. Edited February 3 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Seems pretty consistent to me. From what you posted it shows housing starts declining in 2021 for 5 consecutive months which is I think what I posted. Quite right, you did say they declined for 5 straight months but you also said “There wasn’t much building going on during COVID. Most of the projects around Vancouver were put on hold. That had nothing to dowith a shortage of lumber.” According to this there was record numbers of building going on during Covid particularly in the first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 25 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Quite right, you did say they declined for 5 straight months but you also said “There wasn’t much building going on during COVID. Most of the projects around Vancouver were put on hold. That had nothing to dowith a shortage of lumber.” According to this there was record numbers of building going on during Covid particularly in the first half. There wasn’t much going on during COVID is a factually correct statement. All projects being put on hold during COVID is a factually correct statement. COVID started in March of 2020. If you want to get into technicalities to say that it was very busy in 2021 after everyone was vaccinated and went back to work then you would be technically correct. Builders and Developers needed to get their projects going again so as to not lose money and to get those properties sold, so 2021 was indeed a record setting year. It was also a record setting year for real estate sales. However, things started to really slow down in 2022 as per the numbers I posted. So I’m not sure how to respond other than to say you get the win on that one. After looking at the numbers again it is true that 2021 was a lot busier than 2020 or 2022 and things started to get busier earlier in 2021 than what i thought. I have all of this data from 2021 on my computer but I didn’t bother to do the deep dive until after I posted. So congrats my friend, you won the internet today. . Next time I’ll do the deep dive before I post so I get my info correct. I mean it’s all about winning on this forum so I don’t want to take too many losses. But if the loss is with you I don’t really mind as you are one of the classiest posters on this forum and you never personally attack anyone, so I respect you immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 7 hours ago, 5forFighting said: So their teachers can give it to them? You've really bought in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 9 hours ago, 5forFighting said: The laws that stop kids from drinking to early, doimg drugs to early, driving to early, voting to early should also be applied to cutting off your body parts to early and taking hormone blockers to early. 9 hours ago, 5forFighting said: It's child abuse and is disgusting. I'm curious. Does this apply to all corrective surgery or medications a child might need as determined by a doctor? Is it disgusting to remove tonsils or a kidney? What about surgery for a cleft lip or burns? An amputation due to illness or accident? Hormone blockers, likewise, are a medication prescribed by a doctor after serious consideration, and the child must be seen by a therapist to determine that this is the correct course. They're not handed out like candy. Or do you feel the same way about kids taking medicine for diabetes (since they also change body chemistry) or other medical afflictions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 56 minutes ago, Bob Long said: You've really bought in. Yep. Every kindergarten teacher I've ever known rolls into class with a case of beer and carton of smokes to pass out to the class so they can then watch porn with the kids all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Yep. Every kindergarten teacher I've ever known rolls into class with a case of beer and carton of smokes to pass out to the class so they can then watch porn with the kids all day. Good times. I'll never forget my first toke with a librarian at drag story time. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 minutes ago, StrayDog said: I'm curious. Does this apply to all corrective surgery or medications a child might need as determined by a doctor? Is it disgusting to remove tonsils or a kidney? What about surgery for a cleft lip or burns? An amputation due to illness or accident? Hormone blockers, likewise, are a medication prescribed by a doctor after serious consideration, and the child must be seen by a therapist to determine that this is the correct course. They're not handed out like candy. Or do you feel the same way about kids taking medicine for diabetes (since they also change body chemistry) or other medical afflictions? Corrective indicates something medically wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 13 minutes ago, StrayDog said: I'm curious. Does this apply to all corrective surgery or medications a child might need as determined by a doctor? Is it disgusting to remove tonsils or a kidney? What about surgery for a cleft lip or burns? An amputation due to illness or accident? Hormone blockers, likewise, are a medication prescribed by a doctor after serious consideration, and the child must be seen by a therapist to determine that this is the correct course. They're not handed out like candy. Or do you feel the same way about kids taking medicine for diabetes (since they also change body chemistry) or other medical afflictions? Does the kid need to see a therapist before taking diabetes medicine? If not, why not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) So this is curious - electoral reform making a comeback? I'd love to see it revived, we simply can't let the con mentality take over again, we can see the kind of thinking that would bring in the last few pages. https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/lisa-marie-barron(111023)/motions/12517157 Edited February 3 by Bob Long 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: So this is curious - electoral reform making a comeback? I'd love to see it revived, we simply can't let the con mentality take over again, we can see the kind of thinking that would bring in the last few pages. https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/lisa-marie-barron(111023)/motions/12517157 Sounds like election rigging. When you know you are going to lose the next election, make changes so that doesn't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, 5forFighting said: Sounds like election rigging. When you know you are going to lose the next election, make changes so that doesn't happen. I can see how you'd feel that way. Other countries call it representative democracy, but I can see why you'd be afraid. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 34 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: Does the kid need to see a therapist before taking diabetes medicine? If not, why not? Does your identity have anything to do with your blood? Or perhaps - and admittedly this may sound sound flippant - is it all in your head? 43 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: Corrective indicates something medically wrong. I'm just too woke to call it 'wrong' but sometimes nature does not get things quite 'right'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: It’s not the Liberals under Trudeau either… Liberals are basically the party of status quo, with small, incremental improvement/crumbs thrown to the pleebs. Are they perfect? Far from it. It's why a liberal minority with NDP support has always been, and continues to be, the best governance for most Canadians. The NDP force the Liberals to give us bigger crumbs/progress while we largely stay economically stable and centrist. The Conservatives however are highly regressive and damaging. Slashing social funding to pay for tax cuts to the rich and corporations, while selling off Canadian resources for pennies on the dollar to frequently foreign interests (Petro Canada, Wheat Board, FIPA, etc, etc). Every time they're in power, they set Canada back for actual Canadians. And you guys think they'll help real Canadians who are "hurting"? . And that's before you even get in to their regressive social policies and climate change denial (which those same young, hurting people should be HIGHLY concerned about). The Liberals may only be "ok", maybe even a little "bad" of a government. That does not make the Conservatives better. They are in fact, historically far worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 47 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Does your identity have anything to do with your blood? Or perhaps - and admittedly this may sound sound flippant - is it all in your head? I'm just too woke to call it 'wrong' but sometimes nature does not get things quite 'right'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: Have you forgotten how to type? And yes 'Not that science' because it's not science. It's just a point of view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I’s been acknowledged here that the Federal government isn’t really responsible for most of the problems in our country. So I don’t expect much of a change if PP were to take over. If the housing crisis has nothing to do with the Federal government then it will be same old same old. Best case scenario for the Trudeau voters is that there is a minority government and the Conservatives don’t have the votes to make any changes. The federal government does have very little to do with things like housing, health care etc. You know what they do have to do with though? Things like social safety nets, child tax benefits etc that get slashed under conservative governments and make people already on the margins, even further from being able to afford things like food (expensive thanks to corporate price gouging), shelter (expensive due to too few housing starts and provincial/municipal policies) and health care (under funded by conservative run provinces to push for privatization, which you guessed it, is more expensive for people who are "hurting"). 10 hours ago, 5forFighting said: There's a few reasons you wouldn't want to use 24 OCs on 2x6, one being they are more flexible than 2x4s, also insulation efficiency. I wouldn't build my own home like that. 24" OC's actually mean more insulation and less heat transfer through inefficient studs. AKA better insulation efficiency FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 OK. I was timber framing through out covid. Farm buildings. Prices were expensive and there was shortages. What was available was very low quality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: There wasn’t much going on during COVID is a factually correct statement. All projects being put on hold during COVID is a factually correct statement. COVID started in March of 2020. If you want to get into technicalities to say that it was very busy in 2021 after everyone was vaccinated and went back to work then you would be technically correct. Builders and Developers needed to get their projects going again so as to not lose money and to get those properties sold, so 2021 was indeed a record setting year. It was also a record setting year for real estate sales. However, things started to really slow down in 2022 as per the numbers I posted. So I’m not sure how to respond other than to say you get the win on that one. After looking at the numbers again it is true that 2021 was a lot busier than 2020 or 2022 and things started to get busier earlier in 2021 than what i thought. I have all of this data from 2021 on my computer but I didn’t bother to do the deep dive until after I posted. So congrats my friend, you won the internet today. . Next time I’ll do the deep dive before I post so I get my info correct. I mean it’s all about winning on this forum so I don’t want to take too many losses. But if the loss is with you I don’t really mind as you are one of the classiest posters on this forum and you never personally attack anyone, so I respect you immensely. Not about wins and losses my friend. I freely admit that you have more knowledge about real estate and housing and I am bringing a knife to a gunfight when I enter a conversation with you on this topic. It’s just an effort to find things we can agree on and since at my age I misremember more things than I care to admit I have to do some reading when I respond to a post. I see it as another opportunity for me to learn. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 15 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Have you forgotten how to type? And yes 'Not that science' because it's not science. It's just a point of view. The irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, 5forFighting said: The irony I can see why you say that. I can see I set myself up for it with my quick reply to your post and saw that seconds after I posted. Half my head is in the NYT games I am addicted to and are taking me way longer than usual this morning. The point I was attempting to make was that your cutesy graphic does not fully describe science. It describes anatomy only. Some people have the point of view that anatomy should be the only deciding factor in determining a person's identity. The predominant and learned point of view among scientists is that it does not. Hence my statement that it's really all in the head despite what happens to be between your legs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 56 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: OK. I was timber framing through out covid. Farm buildings. Prices were expensive and there was shortages. What was available was very low quality. But were you framing with 2x8s? Or 2x6s? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, StrayDog said: Yep. Every kindergarten teacher I've ever known rolls into class with a case of beer and carton of smokes to pass out to the class so they can then watch porn with the kids all day. You gotta admit....that might calm the little shits down a bit.... (BTW: My youngest works for the school district and one of her jobs is wrangling the kindergartners for recess and field trips) 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bob Long said: Good times. I'll never forget my first toke with a librarian at drag story time. Ah yes, the good 'ol days....back when you were still allowed to read Dr Suess.... Good times indeed..... Edited February 3 by RupertKBD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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