Ricky Ravioli Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, 112 said: "on behalf of" does not equate to "personally invited". it should not have happened; it was a major mistake. but to put this solely on Trudeau is probably overestimating how involved he was with those invitations. Is anyone solely putting it on Trudeau? I may have missed that. It does make his office and party look incompetent though when they had what? How many months to vet these people. It's small in the grand scheme of things but it's just added to the ever growing list blunders his party has made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph. Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: It's a National Post hit piece anyway, King.... At question here is whether Trudeau knew they were inviting a Nazi to Parliament, which he denies. The so-called "evidence" shows that he knew they were inviting a former Ukrainian soldier....not that he knew about that soldier's background. Nothing to see here.....unless you are trying really hard to see something.... This is where this discussion should have ended. The process for invites seems to be quite automatic (and this fact should be well understood by those in parliament); it's not like hair boy sat down and thought, "Yes, perfect, an opportunity to covertly include and celebrate a nazi!" The mistake was made, acknowledged, and dealt with months ago. This article has clearly been designed to bring this topic back into discussion purely for the right to excite the portion of their base that no longer thinks for themselves. Honestly, citing the Rebel is pure lol. It's like citing Steve Bannon. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 36 minutes ago, Wiggums said: Trudeau literally invited a Nazi into our house and you'll still sit here and call PP a Nazi for no good reason Trudeau is a national embarrassment https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7105610 An invitation obtained through an access to information request, and first reported by Rebel News, was sent to Hunka to attend a rally in Toronto on the day that Zelenskyy addressed Parliament. The invitation was sent on behalf of Trudeau through the Office of Protocol of Canada. Ladies and gentlemen, this is what it looks like when you show up late to the meeting 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Is anyone solely putting it on Trudeau? I may have missed that. It does make his office and party look incompetent though when they had what? How many months to vet these people. It's small in the grand scheme of things but it's just added to the ever growing list blunders his party has made That's not a bad take Ricky. It's one I can understand though I bet our list of blunders would differ. But yes, there have been people putting the blame solely on JT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 13 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: That endless constant political attacking of the Prime Minister also has its own 'toxic waste' in that the spillover to the 'man on the street' getting riled up by the outrage farmer, Pierre Poilievre, then go on to ruin their own lives: like the guy who crashed the gate at the Governor General's grounds and went out hunting for Trudeau with a long rifle in his hands...and now this guy too. These crazy folks are the tailings pond of Poilievre's attack rhetoric and frankly it isn't very Canadian. Much more Southern USA feel to it, like shooting abortion doctors: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/paul-clarissou-charged-uttering-threats-1.7107440 This is it, all this impotent anger and rage farming hurts real people. But cpc supporters know this. All these pages of disingenuous bs on this site is just a small example. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Is anyone solely putting it on Trudeau? I may have missed that. It does make his office and party look incompetent though when they had what? How many months to vet these people. It's small in the grand scheme of things but it's just added to the ever growing list blunders his party has made My problem with the ever growing list is if you list it in chronological order the first entry was nice hair and the third or fourth entry was nice socks. Then somewhere down the list some complaints about his taking a vacation, and then further down is that he has security go everywhere he goes (while being hunted by a guy with a rifle on the G.G. grounds, having rocks thrown at him at a rally and then lately this guy uttering credible death threats at him) in short, the list is crap. Too much crap to consider any new additions to the list being anything other than more crap thrown at the wall hoping some will stick. Peter Poutine has become for me, the wolf dressed like a boy who constantly cries wolf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 21 minutes ago, Spur1 said: Yes but that still doesn’t mean that JT personally invited him. There is a difference. They forced the speaker of the house to resign and take the blame, meanwhile it turns out Trudeau(liberal government) had sent Hunka an invite on behalf of the liberal government. He is the man in charge, he takes the blame. That's how this works 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I wonder how much D Smith's stance on renewables and pausing all but oil based energy projects in Alberta has interfered with Alberta getting one of these major car companies plants? Justin Trudeau Update: Canada has the world’s number one battery supply chain, according to Bloomberg’s annual ranking. That’s largely because of our country’s greatest resource and competitive advantage – Canadian workers. It is because of them that companies from around the world are coming to Canada. It is because of them that our supply chain is growing. And it is because of them that we’re able to create good jobs and build the clean economy of the future. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Wiggums said: They forced the speaker of the house to resign and take the blame, meanwhile it turns out Trudeau(liberal government) had sent Hunka an invite on behalf of the liberal government. He is the man in charge, he takes the blame. That's how this works I think there were two different events with two different lists. The speaker resigned for Hunka appearing in the Gallery and recieving a round of applause in front of Zelensky. I might be wrong here, going from memory alone, but this round of bs about Hunka is based on 1000 people being invited to something else, right? I am asking cuz you are the outraged person, so I presume you know the facts that led to your outrage, but maybe you just read a tweet and don't know the details? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) Well Peppy comes out with a definitive statement. I mean, it's something at least. He is stating and making his position known. Much like he did with abortions until it was time to run then he had different feelings Screw the experts. Screw the science. He has an opinion and that means something of course. Because he's "protecting the kids" which will of course ring true when he sweeps in to power and doesn't cut or eliminate social programs to protect kids. Right? Guys? Right? Edit* Note the bolded. Trudeau, The Libs, the NDP and most normal people don't even mention trans individuals or the lgbtq. Pierre is saying trudeau is making it a divisive wedge to distract people. Yet the only group screaming about it daily is...his Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Wednesday he does not support trans kids taking puberty blockers — medicines that are used to pause puberty before a possible gender transition or other interventions, like hormone therapy. Speaking to reporters on Parliament Hill before a Conservative caucus meeting, Poilievre said the decision to pursue transgender treatments should be reserved to adults alone. "Puberty blockers for minors? I think we should protect children and their ability to make adult decisions when they're adults," Poilievre said. "I think we should protect the rights of parents to make their own decisions with regards to their children." Asked to state definitively if he's opposed to puberty blockers for people under the age of 18, Poilievre said he is. The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents. The CPS, citing scientific research, has said access to puberty blockers "has been associated with lower odds of suicidal ideation over the life course." It has said these drugs should not be prescribed before the onset of puberty for medical reasons — and also because the puberty process is "an important experience through which young people may develop clearer understanding of their gender identity." Cross-sex hormone therapy is a treatment used to help people with gender dysphoria transition from their biological gender to their desired gender. The CPS says hormone therapy produces both reversible and irreversible changes and should only be provided to young people who "demonstrate the capacity to understand and appreciate both the benefits and risks of these medications, given their profound effects." Poilievre said he thinks adults with gender dysphoria should "have the freedom to make any decision they want about their bodies." While the national conversation about trans care was prompted by Smith's policy announcement, Poilievre said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is to blame for whipping up the public and the media. Poilievre called trans health care "a divisive wedge" that's being used by the Liberal government to "distract from doubling housing costs and quadrupling carbon taxes." "Justin Trudeau is puffing out his chest, trying to divide Canadians and attack parents who are trying to protect their kids," he said. Trudeau has condemned what he describes as Smith's "anti-LGBT" policies, which he said could lead to mental health troubles and an increase in suicidal thoughts among teens. Trudeau has not specifically addressed Smith's plan to limit puberty blockers or hormone therapies. Employment Minister Randy Boissonnault, a gay man who has become a vocal critic of Smith's plan, has spoken out about Alberta's push to demand that some trans kids get parental consent before using their preferred names and pronouns at school. Edited February 7 by Warhippy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Wiggums said: They forced the speaker of the house to resign and take the blame, meanwhile it turns out Trudeau(liberal government) had sent Hunka an invite on behalf of the liberal government. He is the man in charge, he takes the blame. That's how this works Mike Duffy says 'hi' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Well Peppy comes out with a definitive statement. I mean, it's something at least. He is stating and making his position known. Much like he did with abortions until it was time to run then he had different feelings Screw the experts. Screw the science. He has an opinion and that means something of course. Because he's "protecting the kids" which will of course ring true when he sweeps in to power and doesn't cut or eliminate social programs to protect kids. Right? Guys? Right? Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Wednesday he does not support trans kids taking puberty blockers — medicines that are used to pause puberty before a possible gender transition or other interventions, like hormone therapy. Speaking to reporters on Parliament Hill before a Conservative caucus meeting, Poilievre said the decision to pursue transgender treatments should be reserved to adults alone. "Puberty blockers for minors? I think we should protect children and their ability to make adult decisions when they're adults," Poilievre said. "I think we should protect the rights of parents to make their own decisions with regards to their children." Asked to state definitively if he's opposed to puberty blockers for people under the age of 18, Poilievre said he is. The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents. The CPS, citing scientific research, has said access to puberty blockers "has been associated with lower odds of suicidal ideation over the life course." It has said these drugs should not be prescribed before the onset of puberty for medical reasons — and also because the puberty process is "an important experience through which young people may develop clearer understanding of their gender identity." Cross-sex hormone therapy is a treatment used to help people with gender dysphoria transition from their biological gender to their desired gender. The CPS says hormone therapy produces both reversible and irreversible changes and should only be provided to young people who "demonstrate the capacity to understand and appreciate both the benefits and risks of these medications, given their profound effects." Poilievre said he thinks adults with gender dysphoria should "have the freedom to make any decision they want about their bodies." While the national conversation about trans care was prompted by Smith's policy announcement, Poilievre said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is to blame for whipping up the public and the media. Well, PP is living proof that puberty is a choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Well Peppy comes out with a definitive statement. I mean, it's something at least. He is stating and making his position known. Much like he did with abortions until it was time to run then he had different feelings Screw the experts. Screw the science. He has an opinion and that means something of course. Because he's "protecting the kids" which will of course ring true when he sweeps in to power and doesn't cut or eliminate social programs to protect kids. Right? Guys? Right? Edit* Note the bolded. Trudeau, The Libs, the NDP and most normal people don't even mention trans individuals or the lgbtq. Pierre is saying trudeau is making it a divisive wedge to distract people. Yet the only group screaming about it daily is...his Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Wednesday he does not support trans kids taking puberty blockers — medicines that are used to pause puberty before a possible gender transition or other interventions, like hormone therapy. Speaking to reporters on Parliament Hill before a Conservative caucus meeting, Poilievre said the decision to pursue transgender treatments should be reserved to adults alone. "Puberty blockers for minors? I think we should protect children and their ability to make adult decisions when they're adults," Poilievre said. "I think we should protect the rights of parents to make their own decisions with regards to their children." Asked to state definitively if he's opposed to puberty blockers for people under the age of 18, Poilievre said he is. The Canadian Pediatric Society (CPS) has said that "gender-affirming medical interventions may be an important component of comprehensive care" for some transgender or gender-diverse adolescents. The CPS, citing scientific research, has said access to puberty blockers "has been associated with lower odds of suicidal ideation over the life course." It has said these drugs should not be prescribed before the onset of puberty for medical reasons — and also because the puberty process is "an important experience through which young people may develop clearer understanding of their gender identity." Cross-sex hormone therapy is a treatment used to help people with gender dysphoria transition from their biological gender to their desired gender. The CPS says hormone therapy produces both reversible and irreversible changes and should only be provided to young people who "demonstrate the capacity to understand and appreciate both the benefits and risks of these medications, given their profound effects." Poilievre said he thinks adults with gender dysphoria should "have the freedom to make any decision they want about their bodies." While the national conversation about trans care was prompted by Smith's policy announcement, Poilievre said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is to blame for whipping up the public and the media. Poilievre called trans health care "a divisive wedge" that's being used by the Liberal government to "distract from doubling housing costs and quadrupling carbon taxes." "Justin Trudeau is puffing out his chest, trying to divide Canadians and attack parents who are trying to protect their kids," he said. Trudeau has condemned what he describes as Smith's "anti-LGBT" policies, which he said could lead to mental health troubles and an increase in suicidal thoughts among teens. Trudeau has not specifically addressed Smith's plan to limit puberty blockers or hormone therapies. Employment Minister Randy Boissonnault, a gay man who has become a vocal critic of Smith's plan, has spoken out about Alberta's push to demand that some trans kids get parental consent before using their preferred names and pronouns at school. Just what we need - a cisheterosexual adult man without a medical degree or experience in medicine opining on something that's none of his business. Mature minors are perfectly able to provide informed consent. Edited February 7 by 112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, 112 said: Just what we need - a cisheterosexual adult man without a medical degree or experience in medicine opining on something that's none of his business. Mature minors are perfectly able to provide informed consent. Nothing says "freest country in the world" like preventing doctors from providing medical treatment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 8 minutes ago, 112 said: Just what we need - a cisheterosexual adult man without a medical degree or experience in medicine opining on something that's none of his business. Mature minors are perfectly able to provide informed consent. I don't have a dog in this fight at all. What bothers me most is how Pierre spent all this time crapping on the science during covid. Then turned his back and demanded the science on trans rights. Only to last year claim that it was up to parents and to respect the rights and wishes of parents. To leave the health and medical aspects as well as the school issue up to the provinces as it was their jurisdiction. Now....this. The guy is a clown and is creating anger because he can't actually campaign on the real issues of which there are many. The very fact he can't seem to talk about the real issues without fomenting anger or creating issues where they don't really exist speaks volumes about the type of leader he could be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spur1 Posted February 7 Popular Post Share Posted February 7 Let’s see, PP is on D Smiths side and Smith is on Tucker Carlsons side and Tucker is in Russia meeting and advocating for Putin. Yet these clowns are in an uproar about an ex Nazi from 75+ years ago accidentally gets invited to a government function because some aide didn’t do their homework. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Spur1 said: Let’s see, PP is on D Smiths side and Smith is on Tucker Carlsons side and Tucker is in Russia meeting and advocating for Putin. Yet these clowns are in an uproar about an ex Nazi from 75+ years ago accidentally gets invited to a government function because some aide didn’t do their homework. Not to mention the cognitive dissidence with the fact that this man only joined the Nazis because he thought anything would be better than living under Stalin. Now we have PP supporters claiming Trudeau is do bad that literally any change is preferable, regardless of the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 34 minutes ago, Wiggums said: They forced the speaker of the house to resign and take the blame, meanwhile it turns out Trudeau(liberal government) had sent Hunka an invite on behalf of the liberal government. He is the man in charge, he takes the blame. That's how this works OK gotcha, the man in charge is to blame. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Monday he has no plans to remove from his caucus three members of Parliament who recently met with a German politician from a far-right party. Speaking to reporters Monday in Ottawa, Poilievre otherwise ducked questions about the luncheon between Ontario MPs Leslyn Lewis, Dean Allison and Colin Carrie and Christine Anderson. Anderson visited Canada as part of a tour organized by supporters of last year's "Freedom Convoy" protests near Parliament Hill in downtown Ottawa, which she publicly supported. Anderson is a member of the European Parliament representing the Alternative for Germany party, which has been under surveillance as a suspected extremist group in Germany and is accused of downplaying Nazi crimes, opposing immigration and pushing anti-Muslim ideology. After photographs of the meeting emerged, Poilievre's office released a statement condemning Anderson's views as "vile" while insisting his three MPs were unaware of her politics and The leader of the Conservative party, Pierre Poilievre, will not take further action to sanction three Members of The leader of the Conservative party, Pierre Poilievre, will not take further action to sanction three Members of Parliament who recently posed for photos with a far-right German politician. Poilievre told reporters on Parliament Hill on Mar. 6 that he will also not kick the trio out of caucus. The three Tory politicians—Colin Carrie of Oshawa, Leslyn Lewis of Halidmand-Norfolk, and Dean Allison of Niagara West—posed for photos at a luncheon in mid-February with Christine Anderson during her cross-Canada tour. Anderson is a member of the European Parliament representing the Alternative for Germany party, which espouses what Poilievre has since called “vile” and “racist” views on Muslim immigrants, homosexuality and Holocaust denial. While the three Canadians quickly issued a statement saying they didn’t know about their luncheon guest’s views, Poilievre’s press conference is the first time anyone from the party has spoken in person, publicly, about the controversy. But that’s not good enough for one Oshawa businessman who is calling for his MP to not just SAY he will do better—but actually follow through with action. Parliament who recently posed for photos with a far-right German politician. Poilievre told reporters on Parliament Hill on Mar. 6 that he will also not kick the trio out of caucus. The three Tory politicians—Colin Carrie of Oshawa, Leslyn Lewis of Halidmand-Norfolk, and Dean Allison of Niagara West—posed for photos at a luncheon in mid-February with Christine Anderson during her cross-Canada tour. Anderson is a member of the European Parliament representing the Alternative for Germany party, which espouses what Poilievre has since called “vile” and “racist” views on Muslim immigrants, homosexuality and Holocaust denial. While the three Canadians quickly issued a statement saying they didn’t know about their luncheon guest’s views, Poilievre’s press conference is the first time anyone from the party has spoken in person, publicly, about the controversy. But that’s not good enough for one Oshawa businessman who is calling for his MP to not just SAY he will do better—but actually follow through with action. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 13 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I don't have a dog in this fight at all. What bothers me most is how Pierre spent all this time crapping on the science during covid. Then turned his back and demanded the science on trans rights. Only to last year claim that it was up to parents and to respect the rights and wishes of parents. To leave the health and medical aspects as well as the school issue up to the provinces as it was their jurisdiction. Now....this. The guy is a clown and is creating anger because he can't actually campaign on the real issues of which there are many. The very fact he can't seem to talk about the real issues without fomenting anger or creating issues where they don't really exist speaks volumes about the type of leader he could be. Social issues have always been something for conservatives to campaign on in lieu of actual good policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ricky Ravioli said: I know. I don't mind having a lying buffoon for a prime minister. What does it matter anyways? It's not like he can do anything or is responsible for anything right.? Lying...? About what? There's nothing in there that the PM knew he was a Nazi prior to I'm not sure this even qualifies as a wet pool noodle, but you go ahead and hang your Con hat on yet another phantom "gotcha". You guys just love this nothing burger side show nonsense. How about we actually talk about REAL Canadian political issues... Oh right, you guys don't score so well on those... Edited February 7 by aGENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 36 minutes ago, 112 said: Just what we need - a cisheterosexual adult man without a medical degree or experience in medicine opining on something that's none of his business. Mature minors are perfectly able to provide informed consent. Someone posted this already but it’s worth repeating because it’s an excellent example of the ignorance of the argument made by people like PP and Smith vs actual medical science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spur1 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Not to mention the cognitive dissonance with the fact that this man only joined the Nazis because he thought anything would be better than living under Stalin. Now we have PP supporters claiming Trudeau is do bad that literally any change is preferable, regardless of the outcome. Much like my Polish grandfather who fought for the Germans WW1 and the Boer War. He was conscripted at the point of a gun. Not much choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 16 minutes ago, 112 said: Social issues have always been something for conservatives to campaign on in lieu of actual good policy. Those social angst issues are why myself and so many small c types have issues supporting the party. When you count that against the economic failures and unwillingness to accept any blame for all of it; it's no wonder so many of us decide our votes on the day of an election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 18 minutes ago, aGENT said: Lying...? About what? There's nothing in there that the PM knew he was a Nazi prior to I'm not sure this even qualifies as a wet pool noodle, but you go ahead and hang your Con hat on yet another phantom "gotcha". You guys just love this nothing burger side show nonsense. How about we actually talk about REAL Canadian political issues... Oh right, you guys don't score so well on those... That's because his office/party couldn't even do the bare minimum in vetting. The rest of your response is just super emotional deflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: That's because his office/party couldn't even do the bare minimum in vetting. Wait a minute.....you said he was lying about knowing and now you say his office didn't vet the guy.....which is it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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