Canadian Politics Thread

[Satchmo]

8 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

I saw quite a few people calling them ALL Nazis just because of a couple idiots waving stupid flags around? 

 

God, why is it always the same people with the "my camp" bullshit. This isn't the NHL. I don't play for a team. 

If people called them all Nazis they would be incorrect.   If people did not notice, and call out, the presence of Nazi flags they would be equally incorrect.

 

Edit & ps - the 'camp' comment may come from where you always seem to be pitching your tent.

 

 

Edited February 21 by Satchmo
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[Miss Korea]

2 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Sex is soo scary to some people. View all the death and destrution you want, glorify it even. But sex, and naked bodies...no!

 

If he's going to go after enforcing age limits...I would understand more if it was a look at social media. 

Maybe no social media until the age of 16?

It's the thing really doing damage to our youth, and well, a lot of us. 

 

Wow - that is a serious Big Brother suggestion you're making here.  Imagine the Government of Canada implementing the Great Firewall.  I don't even know how you'd achieve that.

[Miss Korea]

7 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

I saw quite a few people calling them ALL Nazis just because of a couple idiots waving stupid flags around? 

 

God, why is it always the same people with the "my camp" bullshit. This isn't the NHL. I don't play for a team. 

 

You play for the "F*CK TRUDEAU" camp and there's realistically only one political party for you.

[King Heffy]

4 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

If people called them all Nazis they would be incorrect.   If people did not notice, and call out, the presence of Nazi flags they would be equally incorrect.

This summarizes my view on this pretty well.

 

 

[Master Mind]

3 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

This summarizes my view on this pretty well.

 

 

 

You can believe this but it's faulty logic.

 

@Optimist Prime has stated (he can correct me if I'm wrong) that his mother had bigoted views, but he'd visit his mother. By this logic, he'd be a bigot, which I think we both believe would not be true.

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Master Mind said:

 

How it it being enforced there, and what are people doing to make it mean nothing in your perspective?

 

I disagree about it being a red herring, and I'm not saying it would outright prevent kids from having access. Would just make it more difficult. How's that a bad thing?

 

I guess it depends how you view wasted effort. It's so easy to work around this kind of thing, that for it to be proposed the way PP is tells us that it's just for political theatre.

 

 

1 hour ago, Master Mind said:

I'd think that smokes/alcohol would be a closer comparison. You can't completely stop kids from getting them, but you can make it more difficult.

 

Ok great. Most kids can still find those things.

 

What else does PP have?

 

This is just another division attempt by him. More recycled US right wing ideas.

[Warhippy]

25 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

  You're actually saying this with a straight face?

Yes I am.  Why?

protesting is a democratically protected freedom.  Staying for weeks and threatening the overthrow of, or demanding the overthrow of a democratically elected government is not.

[Ricky Ravioli]

16 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

 

You play for the "F*CK TRUDEAU" camp and there's realistically only one political party for you.

Lol whenever have I said "fuck Trudeau?" Yea I don't like the dude and don't really have any intention on voting for him next election but that doesn't mean I'm a default conservative. Get a clue

[4petesake]

24 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

No, a lynching is unjuicidal punishment done by a mob of people.  I was under the impression that the man had died, he didn't die but probably has life altering brain damage 

 

You asked me to.show you violence from the BLM protests and you got it.  Play semantics and change the narrative though, that's what you do best.

 

 

 

 

Your quote “lynching people in the streets…”
 

The guy who tried to argue that he said “and” and not “to”  is going to play the semantics card?

 

[Ricky Ravioli]

22 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

If people called them all Nazis they would be incorrect.   If people did not notice, and call out, the presence of Nazi flags they would be equally incorrect.

 

Edit & ps - the 'camp' comment may come from where you always seem to be pitching your tent.

 

 

I agree. 

 

What is it they say about people who assume?

[Satchmo]

7 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

I agree. 

 

What is it they say about people who assume?

Those would just be called people I think.  There's  a glib cliche that is used to describe them in another way but I think people is the best description.

 

Edited February 21 by Satchmo

[Master Mind]

7 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

I guess it depends how you view wasted effort. It's so easy to work around this kind of thing, that for it to be proposed the way PP is tells us that it's just for political theatre.

 

 

 

Ok great. Most kids can still find those things.

 

What else does PP have?

 

This is just another division attempt by him. More recycled US right wing ideas.

 

To be fair, a lot of politics is theatre.

 

Determined people will work around things, but does that not still mean it's worth having some measures in place to prevent easy access?

 

My example of kids getting smokes is in the sense that we don't just allow a 10 year old to buy them at the store. I'm guessing we'd agree that we shouldn't remove those preventative measures just because some kids can get them elsewhere.

 

Same idea here, if we know it's harmful, it seems negligent to not at least try to make it more difficult for kids to access these things.

[Warhippy]

23 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

I saw quite a few people calling them ALL Nazis just because of a couple idiots waving stupid flags around? 

 

God, why is it always the same people with the "my camp" bullshit. This isn't the NHL. I don't play for a team. 

There is the idiom that if 9 normal people at a table allow 1 nazi to sit with them, then you have a table of 10 nazis.  Or that while not ever Conservative is a nazi, most hard right leaning people vote conservative.

 

The my camp bukllshit is because many of the posters here have established themselves for who they support without deviation.  You don't like it?  Sorry about your luck because I don't care.  One's behaviours, posts and support define them for who they are.  If this feels like you might be offended, well guess what. That pens ink doesn't run and you feel some way about it because you feel called out.  Why do you feel called out?  Because it hits home and there's zero way to refute it because partisan rule in this forum and today's politics is almost absolute

 

Those of us who consider themselves small c or small l types in this nation and even in the US are the silent majority but we're all kind of tired of it.  We can'[t make a single statement without being told we're this person or that person or we defend x behaviour which is utter crap.

 

Being able to call both sides and both camps out for their stupidity is a democratic right and there's no bigotry involved by telling people the truth in that their beliefs are part of the issue nor is there any bias.

 

Because the truth of the matter is that most in this forum seem or appear left leaning because we're absolutely sick of what the conservative brand and supporters have become.  If the silent majority are finally speaking up and every single forum, website or chat room feels like an echo chamber; it isn't because everyone is a lefty.

 

it's because we're sick of the shit being pushed at us because we're not fucking stupid.  What a child defines themselves as is not our business.  It's not important.  What bathroom a person uses is not our business, just wash your gods be damned hands; it's not important to us.  What people want to believe in is not imporant to us, because unless their beliefs start infringing on our freedoms; it is not our business.  What is important to us?  Is how our kids will move on in this world with a bunch of assholes telling them who and what to believe in.  Telling them who and how to love.  What they can or can't read or study.  That our kids can explore this life and planet without some asshole group with sky daddy beliefs dictating what they can and can not experience based on those beliefs.  What is important to us is where our money is going and why corporations are taking so fucking much of our tax dollars and then savaging us at the check out lines while one party tells us that corporate greed and the fact taking my family to the movies costs $100 is now the fault of the government.

 

What matters to us is that we're not fucking stupid enough to believe the rhetoric and lies and as such we're finally not the silent majority anymore.  We're sick of all the lies, the hate and the perpetual anger being forced on us and if this doesn't jive with you and  "you don't play for a team" then fucking wake up and act like it because seeing endless posts blaming the government for every god damned thing wrong in ones life when the truth is absolutely that one just makes shitty decisions makes it look like many are wearing a jersey and consider anyone not wearing the same jersey somehow less than Canadian.

 

If this bugs you mate, think long and hard why

 

 

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

 

To be fair, a lot of politics is theatre.

 

Determined people will work around things, but does that not still mean it's worth having some measures in place to prevent easy access?

 

My example of kids getting smokes is in the sense that we don't just allow a 10 year old to buy them at the store. I'm guessing we'd agree that we shouldn't remove those preventative measures just because some kids can get them elsewhere.

 

Same idea here, if we know it's harmful, it seems negligent to not at least try to make it more difficult for kids to access these things.

 

on the face of it, you make it sound reasonable. But look at the context of Poilievre's attacks. This is part of a concerted effort to demonize and politicize groups in ways we've never seen before in Canada, and its just recycled US politics.

 

So sure, out of context and in a vacuum what you typed sounds fine, but given the political context and also that it really won't do anything to prevent online activity, again its just theatre.

 

You can't really compare it to going in to a physical store buying smokes or booze, online no one knows who you are. 

 

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

on the face of it, you make it sound reasonable. But look at the context of Poilievre's attacks. This is part of a concerted effort to demonize and politicize groups in ways we've never seen before in Canada, and its just recycled US politics.

 

So sure, out of context and in a vacuum what you typed sounds fine, but given the political context and also that it really won't do anything to prevent online activity, again its just theatre.

 

You can't really compare it to going in to a physical store buying smokes or booze, online no one knows who you are. 

 

I'm also not risking my data being stolen due to a hack with all my history by buying a case of beer.

[Bob Long]

Just now, King Heffy said:

I'm also not risking my data being stolen due to a hack with all my history by buying a case of beer.

 

its just such a weak division attempt by PP. Now if I don't agree with him, well, I must want kids to have access to porn. Fuck off. 

 

How about propose an actual solution? not some "but isn't it worth doing something"? no, because sometimes doing something useless makes it seem like you've tackled a problem, when you haven't. 

 

[Miss Korea]

18 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Lol whenever have I said "fuck Trudeau?" Yea I don't like the dude and don't really have any intention on voting for him next election but that doesn't mean I'm a default conservative. Get a clue

 

Oh, you really don't like Trudeau.  You've made that abundantly clear here, despite many telling you that the way you blame him is misguided.  But you're free to dislike him, that's for sure.  I don't really like him that much either.

 

But let's get real here.  What's the party you're going to vote for if you want Trudeau gone?  Which party is basing their entire platform off hating Justin Trudeau?  What, you're gonna vote for Blanchet or something?

[Ricky Ravioli]

12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

There is the idiom that if 9 normal people at a table allow 1 nazi to sit with them, then you have a table of 10 nazis.  Or that while not ever Conservative is a nazi, most hard right leaning people vote conservative.

 

The my camp bukllshit is because many of the posters here have established themselves for who they support without deviation.  You don't like it?  Sorry about your luck because I don't care.  One's behaviours, posts and support define them for who they are.  If this feels like you might be offended, well guess what. That pens ink doesn't run and you feel some way about it because you feel called out.  Why do you feel called out?  Because it hits home and there's zero way to refute it because partisan rule in this forum and today's politics is almost absolute

 

Those of us who consider themselves small c or small l types in this nation and even in the US are the silent majority but we're all kind of tired of it.  We can'[t make a single statement without being told we're this person or that person or we defend x behaviour which is utter crap.

 

Being able to call both sides and both camps out for their stupidity is a democratic right and there's no bigotry involved by telling people the truth in that their beliefs are part of the issue nor is there any bias.

 

Because the truth of the matter is that most in this forum seem or appear left leaning because we're absolutely sick of what the conservative brand and supporters have become.  If the silent majority are finally speaking up and every single forum, website or chat room feels like an echo chamber; it isn't because everyone is a lefty.

 

it's because we're sick of the shit being pushed at us because we're not fucking stupid.  What a child defines themselves as is not our business.  It's not important.  What bathroom a person uses is not our business, just wash your gods be damned hands; it's not important to us.  What people want to believe in is not imporant to us, because unless their beliefs start infringing on our freedoms; it is not our business.  What is important to us?  Is how our kids will move on in this world with a bunch of assholes telling them who and what to believe in.  Telling them who and how to love.  What they can or can't read or study.  That our kids can explore this life and planet without some asshole group with sky daddy beliefs dictating what they can and can not experience based on those beliefs.  What is important to us is where our money is going and why corporations are taking so fucking much of our tax dollars and then savaging us at the check out lines while one party tells us that corporate greed and the fact taking my family to the movies costs $100 is now the fault of the government.

 

What matters to us is that we're not fucking stupid enough to believe the rhetoric and lies and as such we're finally not the silent majority anymore.  We're sick of all the lies, the hate and the perpetual anger being forced on us and if this doesn't jive with you and  "you don't play for a team" then fucking wake up and act like it because seeing endless posts blaming the government for every god damned thing wrong in ones life when the truth is absolutely that one just makes shitty decisions makes it look like many are wearing a jersey and consider anyone not wearing the same jersey somehow less than Canadian.

 

If this bugs you mate, think long and hard why

 

 

The irony in that statement is not lost on me.

 

The whole thing is hilarious because I don't even actually disagree with much of what you are saying here. But because I have had different opinions on other subjects you are allowed to just assume? I mean if course you are, but it just makes talking to people with your thought process incredibly difficult and are clearly very judgmental of people you don't agree with.

[the destroyer of worlds]

2 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

 

Oh, you really don't like Trudeau.  You've made that abundantly clear here, despite many telling you that the way you blame him is misguided.  But you're free to dislike him, that's for sure.  I don't really like him that much either.

 

But let's get real here.  What's the party you're going to vote for if you want Trudeau gone?  Which party is basing their entire platform off hating Justin Trudeau?  What, you're gonna vote for Blanchet or something?

To be fair, the PPC (People's Party of Crazy) fully embraces the F Turdope crowd.

[Bob Long]

17 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

Same idea here, if we know it's harmful, it seems negligent to not at least try to make it more difficult for kids to access these things.

 

Also, how does what PP suggest prevent kids from going to other internet sites that won't ask what age they are? you might be exposing kids to far worse content. 

 

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

Also, how does what PP suggest prevent kids from going to other internet sites that won't ask what age they are? you might be exposing kids to far worse content. 

 

Memories of infecting the family PC from Limewire viruses are coming back.

[Ricky Ravioli]

3 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

 

Oh, you really don't like Trudeau.  You've made that abundantly clear here, despite many telling you that the way you blame him is misguided.  But you're free to dislike him, that's for sure.  I don't really like him that much either.

 

But let's get real here.  What's the party you're going to vote for if you want Trudeau gone?  Which party is basing their entire platform off hating Justin Trudeau?  What, you're gonna vote for Blanchet or something?

We only have soo many parties to choose from Janice. What would you like me to do? I could vote NDP but they are currently propping up a government I don't like, so there isn't much incentive there. Not much interest in the other parties so it is what it is I guess 

[Bob Long]

Just now, King Heffy said:

Memories of infecting the family PC from Limewire viruses are coming back.

 

pretty much. PP's bill won't do anything to stop kids from doing things online. But hey, that never stopped him before. 

 

He's really showing his true colours this week with his bathroom and porn obsession though. 

[Miss Korea]

33 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

 

You can believe this but it's faulty logic.

 

@Optimist Prime has stated (he can correct me if I'm wrong) that his mother had bigoted views, but he'd visit his mother. By this logic, he'd be a bigot, which I think we both believe would not be true.

 

Really?  I didn't realize OP chose who his mother would be.

[the destroyer of worlds]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

pretty much. PP's bill won't do anything to stop kids from doing things online. But hey, that never stopped him before. 

 

He's really showing his true colours this week with his bathroom and porn obsession though. 

There's also this thing called VPN.  SOooooo many ways to circumvent PPs dumb idea. 

 

Stashing found porn under a floorboard in the treehouse retro flashback