Optimist Prime Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, RupertKBD said: Reminiscent of the outrage after the slight modification to the lyrics of the National Anthem. As if the words to a song, generally performed only at the beginning of sporting events, changes anyone's life in any significant way..... True enough. A song which has had its lyrics changed dozens of times throughout its existence, but THIS TIME is the last straw, every time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: True enough. A song which has had its lyrics changed dozens of times throughout its existence, but THIS TIME is the last straw, every time. I'd be in favour of dropping the part about a mythical being keeping our land. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: True enough. A song which has had its lyrics changed dozens of times throughout its existence, but THIS TIME is the last straw, every time. Personally, I'd rather they didn't play it at the beginning of every game... Save it for when we've won a Gold medal and they're raising the flag to the rafters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I'd be in favour of dropping the part about a mythical being keeping our land. OH i am always trying to have that mythical being taken out of the preamble to the Charter too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 13 hours ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Uhhh you really think what's been going on the last 2 pages has been "accountable for posts"? Wild. I got a warning for far less than what's been said the past 2 pages. People are getting out of control. Time to log off if you can't keep your emotions in check 13 hours ago, Boudrias said: The name calling, swearing and denigrating isn’t serious debate IMHO. Agree to disagree and move on. Which is what I am doing. Yep, thinking that name-calling, etc is holding others accountable is ridiculous. It's pretty easy to dismantle poor arguments without resorting to that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Personally, I'd rather they didn't play it at the beginning of every game... Save it for when we've won a Gold medal and they're raising the flag to the rafters I am a little mental these days, to put it mildly, and at live games when they play the anthem after a medal game like at the world juniors: i can't help but leak out of both eyes, constantly...never had that problem until I retired from the service. Now it is a constant. Heck, when Finland won at a game I was at same result, not just Canada...lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Yep, thinking that name-calling, etc is holding others accountable is ridiculous. It's pretty easy to dismantle poor arguments without resorting to that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: I am a little mental these days, to put it mildly, and at live games when they play the anthem after a medal game like at the world juniors: i can't help but leak out of both eyes, constantly...never had that problem until I retired from the service. Now it is a constant. Heck, when Finland won at a game I was at same result, not just Canada...lol. Same. You can't help but feel the pride, seeing the flag being hoisted with the boys all singing and gold hanging around their necks. But at anthem time before a Canucks - Oilers game, I'm flipping through channels to see if there's something interesting I can watch for three minutes.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: Colour me shocked. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Yep, thinking that name-calling, etc is holding others accountable is ridiculous. It's pretty easy to dismantle poor arguments without resorting to that. I agree with your first point but unfortunately I can't agree with the second one based on what I've seen in this thread. Many disputes just turn into a game of whack a mole or an exercise in goal post movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RupertKBD Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Master Mind said: Colour me shocked. You probably don't care, but the fact is, if I had made it to July, I would have gone 20 years between here and CDC without a single warning. It was something I was proud of... But some things I can't ignore. It wasn't so much the two poster's callous disregard for the lives of elderly people and how their precious "freedoms" were worth more than the lives of people like my mom....it was the "who me?" garbage that followed it. Pretending that they weren't doing what they were doing. Now I have my first warning and I'm okay with it. If people here think less of me because of what I said to those two, so be it. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Anyway, that's the last I'll say about it. No need to force Sharpie to make another call.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 6 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: You probably don't care, but the fact is, if I had made it to July, I would have gone 20 years between here and CDC without a single warning. It was something I was proud of... But some things I can't ignore. It wasn't so much the two poster's callous disregard for the lives of elderly people and how their precious "freedoms" were worth more than the lives of people like my mom....it was the "who me?" garbage that followed it. Pretending that they weren't doing what they were doing. Now I have my first warning and I'm okay with it. If people here think less of me because of what I said to those two, so be it. Rupe, you're one of the most level headed posters here, and on CDC. I've always admired your ability to keep your cool in the face of the bullshit we see from time to time. The fact that you snapped speaks volumes about the caliber of poster and the types of posts that are permitted on this new site. Let's not forget, virtually all of the right wing posters here were perma-banned from cdc at one point or another. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I agree with your first point but unfortunately I can't agree with the second one based on what I've seen in this thread. Many disputes just turn into a game of whack a mole or an exercise in goal post movement. I fail to see how that justifies name-calling. If people continue to use poor logic/arguments after breaking apart their argument, then why bother continuing with them? Once one resorts to name-calling it looks worse on them than the person they're saying it to. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 28 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Yep, thinking that name-calling, etc is holding others accountable is ridiculous. It's pretty easy to dismantle poor arguments without resorting to that. People resort to it here imo because the positions some folks take are utterly ridiculous and without merit, but they dig in anyway. It's also not about actually reaching any kind of consensus or understanding. So yeah, they get laughed at after a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Master Mind said: I fail to see how that justifies name-calling. If people continue to use poor logic/arguments after breaking apart their argument, then why bother continuing with them? Once one resorts to name-calling it looks worse on them than the person they're saying it to. Was that not the point I was agreeing with? If you are proposing I just sit back when I see a statement that I think is either flat out incorrect or at the least misleading then I'm afraid I'm bound to disappoint you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Optimist Prime said: Coon Creek. Their hubbies are conservative folks. None of them had a thought for coon creek before it was proposed to change the name by an area director and it became a topic in the local zeitgeist. Powell River will be getting a name change. Looks like it's going to be Quathet. Seems the town was named after Israel Powell, and he was a racist kind of guy.- I don't know if he was racists, for the time he lived in or in today's time but whatever. I don't mind the idea of not having the town named after him- but I've suggested rather than changing the name, let's just change who the town is named after. There has to have been some other person named "Powell' that has done good things in this town. p.s.- apparently the town's namesake never set foot in this town, so .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: You probably don't care, but the fact is, if I had made it to July, I would have gone 20 years between here and CDC without a single warning. It was something I was proud of... But some things I can't ignore. It wasn't so much the two poster's callous disregard for the lives of elderly people and how their precious "freedoms" were worth more than the lives of people like my mom....it was the "who me?" garbage that followed it. Pretending that they weren't doing what they were doing. Now I have my first warning and I'm okay with it. If people here think less of me because of what I said to those two, so be it. Good on you for going that long without a warning. I've only received one as well, in my early times of CDC in 2010 or so where I was still learning how to internet so to speak. The warning said to attack the post, not the poster. It was great advice, and I've done it ever since. You and some others make several posts with derogatory terms towards large groups of people. Sometimes that includes people in my family, including my mother, yet I don't feel the need to dish out personal attacks. Justify your behaviour if you wish, but yes there will be people such as myself who think less of those who act that way. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 21 minutes ago, Bob Long said: People resort to it here imo because the positions some folks take are utterly ridiculous and without merit, but they dig in anyway. It's also not about actually reaching any kind of consensus or understanding. So yeah, they get laughed at after a while. Still not a good reason imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Was that not the point I was agreeing with? If you are proposing I just sit back when I see a statement that I think is either flat out incorrect or at the least misleading then I'm afraid I'm bound to disappoint you. Apologies, I thought you were saying you disagree and that it is fair game to name-call when posters do that. If you were disagreeing with the notion that it's easy to pick apart flawed arguments, because they move goalposts, etc. I think that's a sign that you have successfully dismantled the argument. Many people simply won't admit when their argument has been proven faulty. If I'm misunderstanding you here though please feel free to correct me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Master Mind said: Apologies, I thought you were saying you disagree and that it is fair game to name-call when posters do that. If you were disagreeing with the notion that it's easy to pick apart flawed arguments, because they move goalposts, etc. I think that's a sign that you have successfully dismantled the argument. Many people simply won't admit when their argument has been proven faulty. If I'm misunderstanding you here though please feel free to correct me. I think you are now seeing what I agreed with and what I did not. I will speak no more on decorum or civility. It was lost but now it's found. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted February 23 Popular Post Share Posted February 23 27 minutes ago, Bob Long said: People resort to it here imo because the positions some folks take are utterly ridiculous and without merit, but they dig in anyway. It's also not about actually reaching any kind of consensus or understanding. So yeah, they get laughed at after a while. The bolded... To pick a bit on one of the posters in the tussle last night...recently I challenged him on what he claimed was one of the best clubs in Vancouver when talking to one of American friends on here. I took issue for a few resaons. He was describing this claim about Vancouver in a way that I disagreed with, to someone not from Van. I have a long background in Vancouver nightclubs and to this day i'm friends with a few owners of many clubs. So, since my friends have won awards for actully being some of the best clubs ( I ran a couple) I was interested. He stated that Drai's in Trump tower Vancouver was the best club 'back in the day' ( 6 years ago) When I pointed out that the club was closed a year after opening ( due to sucking?) he kinda brushed it off and added, without realising, that he was confirming he doesn't know shit. In his own words he stated that he doesn drink...how do you rate a club without talking abut the product they serve? How are the mixologist/bartenders drinks? if you dont consume. Liquor is a big part of liquor establishments. He then mentioned that gangs would hang out there ....remember this is a 'best club in the city'. claim..i mean, WTF? and if gangs were there, they were skirting BarWatch. I was a member for a while, it's an anti-gang group involving the VPD. Maybe this is also part of why they closed, dunno. The DT Vancouver BarWatch is one of the most successful So a gang hangout, that doesn;t make it a year, reviewed by a non-drinker... but he did claim that he scored a lot of hot chicks because he mentioned being sober helped. Sure. Why did this get under my skin? I saw it as him trying to show that 'Trump tower' In Vancouver was a place cool people went to. It wasn't, very few in Vancouver wanted to be assciated with anything to do with Trump as they do today. That is what I beleive to be true and what I want American friends on here to know. I am also defending the hard work of my frineds, people that for decades have operated the actual best clubs in the city. Btw, the only other poster that has ever talked about that club was Harvey Spector. He spoke of it in the same way...ladies, best club..i remember bugging him about it on CDC wayyy 'back in the day' 6 years ago. So, what I am saying is... some centrists are...scooby doo...not. Just admit you are on the right and speak a bit closer to the truth. While I'm at it...people, stop saying echo chamber. it's weak. Go Nucks/ 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, Gurn said: Powell River will be getting a name change. Looks like it's going to be Quathet. Seems the town was named after Israel Powell, and he was a racist kind of guy.- I don't know if he was racists, for the time he lived in or in today's time but whatever. I don't mind the idea of not having the town named after him- but I've suggested rather than changing the name, let's just change who the town is named after. There has to have been some other person named "Powell' that has done good things in this town. p.s.- apparently the town's namesake never set foot in this town, so .... First I have heard of this, but interesting. I don't know enough to comment specifically, but again with an anecdote: my mom was really mad about Queen Charlotte Islands being renamed to Haida Gwaii. I suggested perhaps it was called Haida Gwaii by the people who lived there before it was renamed Queen Charlotte Islands, and she quieted down in thought for a bit. Her last 'hurrah' with the name change anger was along the lines of "they lost the war, they shouldn't complain about the name change". She was unaware that there was never a war in what is now BC against First Nations people. We have a history of treaties here on the west coast which the crown never upheld their end of the bargain they struck at virtual gunpoint. But now I am in the weeds....and will lose people of the 'we won the war' variety....lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said: First I have heard of this, but interesting. I don't know enough to comment specifically, but again with an anecdote: my mom was really mad about Queen Charlotte Islands being renamed to Haida Gwaii. I suggested perhaps it was called Haida Gwaii by the people who lived there before it was renamed Queen Charlotte Islands, and she quieted down in thought for a bit. Her last 'hurrah' with the name change anger was along the lines of "they lost the war, they shouldn't complain about the name change". She was unaware that there was never a war in what is now BC against First Nations people. We have a history of treaties here on the west coast which the crown never upheld their end of the bargain they struck at virtual gunpoint. But now I am in the weeds....and will lose people of the 'we won the war' variety....lol. I've had this same argument about Haida Gwaii....even with people here on the North Coast, who should know better. The fact is, it's been Haida Gwaii for millennia. QCI is the name that colonists changed it to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: You probably don't care, but the fact is, if I had made it to July, I would have gone 20 years between here and CDC without a single warning. It was something I was proud of... But some things I can't ignore. It wasn't so much the two poster's callous disregard for the lives of elderly people and how their precious "freedoms" were worth more than the lives of people like my mom....it was the "who me?" garbage that followed it. Pretending that they weren't doing what they were doing. Now I have my first warning and I'm okay with it. If people here think less of me because of what I said to those two, so be it. Lockdowns and certain regulations have played a large role in increased homelessness, drug use, depression, suicide, worldwide. Supply chain issues and increased prices has caused mass amounts of child deaths in poorer countries. These things will be felt around the world for a long time. I look at the larger picture I made all of these points already, each one of these points is made with the thoughts of fellow humans in mind. It's an opinion and a viewpoint. Your explosion and calling in the mods was way over the top. Edited February 23 by Wiggums 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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