JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Minority governments work because of the coalition. I do agree on that. However, what is happening right now is that Trudeau is passing legislation that is not actually his legislation, or at least not the way it is being drafted. It is the legislation of the NDP party. For people that support the NDP, that is great. But they only control 25 seats in the House of Commons, yet they are passing through their own legislation into law. At some point, the coalition will fail, just like it always does. Minority governments on average last only 2 years. The electorate doesn’t want to go to the polls every 2 years. And elections cost money. The last election that didn’t change anything cost the taxpayers $600 million. That’s not a sustainable way of doing business. And it’s a waste of taxpayer’s money. I also predict we will have an election in the next 2 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: I also predict we will have an election in the next 2 years. Winter is also coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 11 hours ago, 4petesake said: Betcha din’t see this comin… https://globalnews.ca/news/10316372/alberta-intends-to-opt-out-of-national-pharmacare-plan/amp/ Alberta needs Nenshi, now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 hours ago, King Heffy said: That's a good thing. Multiple parties compromising and supporting each other ends up benefiting more Canadians. Majority governments give a blank cheque to a party the majority of Canadians didn't vote for, every time. I totally agree. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/online-harms-bill-explainer-1.7124140 Ok, here's why PP is a true politician and not good for Canada. This is apparently a re-designed bill known as "online harms" Digital ID sounds pretty invasive to me, if that's the route that they are going on (this is not confirmed by the Cons), but this route is done apparently in the States. I heard that some parts of the States have a flat ban on pornography (S. Carolina if I recall), but I really don't know how exaggerated that is. What is the opposition saying about the bill? Last week, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Trudeau shouldn't be deciding what constitutes hate speech online and predicted the legislation would be an "attack on freedom of expression." "What does Justin Trudeau mean when he says the words 'hate speech'? He means the speech he hates," Poilievre said. "You can assume he will ban all of that." Poilievre also framed his opposition to the forthcoming legislation in deeply personal terms, saying Trudeau is not the leader to legislate on this issue. Here's a portion of another article from The National Post (to try and offset any concerns about CBC) (Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/conservative-government-would-require-id-to-watch-porn-pierre-poilievre) The Tories are sponsoring and supporting a Senate private member’s bill that promises to require age verification for people to access pornography online. Bill S-210 passed in the Senate in the spring and New Democrats, Bloc Quebecois and Conservative MPs voted to send it to a House of Commons committee for study. No such meetings have been scheduled yet. The proposed law would require websites to verify users’ ages before they can access sexually explicit content, and it would penalize sites that don’t comply. But it does not specify how that would be done. Options could include the use of a digital government ID, as some U.S. states have legislated, or services that can estimate age based on a scan of a person’s face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Alberta needs Nenshi, now. I'm curious what current polling numbers look like in Alberta after one idiotic policy after another? Something tells me there's still vast swaths of Albertans drinking the UCP Kool aid though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 4 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: I totally agree. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/online-harms-bill-explainer-1.7124140 Ok, here's why PP is a true politician and not good for Canada. This is apparently a re-designed bill known as "online harms" Digital ID sounds pretty invasive to me, if that's the route that they are going on (this is not confirmed by the Cons), but this route is done apparently in the States. I heard that some parts of the States have a flat ban on pornography (S. Carolina if I recall), but I really don't know how exaggerated that is. What is the opposition saying about the bill? Last week, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Trudeau shouldn't be deciding what constitutes hate speech online and predicted the legislation would be an "attack on freedom of expression." "What does Justin Trudeau mean when he says the words 'hate speech'? He means the speech he hates," Poilievre said. "You can assume he will ban all of that." Poilievre also framed his opposition to the forthcoming legislation in deeply personal terms, saying Trudeau is not the leader to legislate on this issue. Here's a portion of another article from The National Post (to try and offset any concerns about CBC) (Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/conservative-government-would-require-id-to-watch-porn-pierre-poilievre) The Tories are sponsoring and supporting a Senate private member’s bill that promises to require age verification for people to access pornography online. Bill S-210 passed in the Senate in the spring and New Democrats, Bloc Quebecois and Conservative MPs voted to send it to a House of Commons committee for study. No such meetings have been scheduled yet. The proposed law would require websites to verify users’ ages before they can access sexually explicit content, and it would penalize sites that don’t comply. But it does not specify how that would be done. Options could include the use of a digital government ID, as some U.S. states have legislated, or services that can estimate age based on a scan of a person’s face. "Free-est" country.... Where we want to track what porn you're watching... Maybe Conservatives should focus their "parental rights" on educating and monitoring their kids about their online activity... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'm curious what current polling numbers look like in Alberta after one idiotic policy after another? Something tells me there's still vast swaths of Albertans drinking the UCP Kool aid though you only need pharmacare if you are poor or old. You choose to be poor, and if you're old, move to BC I guess. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maninthebox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 19 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'm curious what current polling numbers look like in Alberta after one idiotic policy after another? Something tells me there's still vast swaths of Albertans drinking the UCP Kool aid though The NDP have been trending downward since Notley stepped down, which I personally don't understand. I don't know if enough time has passed yet for people to remember the Nenshi early years, but I doubt it. Perhaps when Smith has had a couple more years Albertans may be willing to look to Nenshi again. Rural Alberta is heavily UCP, Edmonton is heavily NDP, and Calgary is essentially split. No marked Liberal presence at the moment, but the province (in general) is relatively split left/right and fairly willing to look at either side for leadership... despite the ignorant beliefs of you BC potheads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, Maninthebox said: The NDP have been trending downward since Notley stepped down, which I personally don't understand. I don't know if enough time has passed yet for people to remember the Nenshi early years, but I doubt it. Perhaps when Smith has had a couple more years Albertans may be willing to look to Nenshi again. Rural Alberta is heavily UCP, Edmonton is heavily NDP, and Calgary is essentially split. No marked Liberal presence at the moment, but the province (in general) is relatively split left/right and fairly willing to look at either side for leadership... despite the ignorant beliefs of you BC potheads Us "BC potheads" are aware of the rough splits. I think we're (I'm) just a little confused on how exactly it's still such a close split overall given the colossally poor/questionable/dumbfounded governance of the UCP. But I also can't fathom how ~40% of Canadians are polling that they think the Conservatives will actually be an improvement over the current government either. Different =/= better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 25 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'm curious what current polling numbers look like in Alberta after one idiotic policy after another? Something tells me there's still vast swaths of Albertans drinking the UCP Kool aid though https://338canada.com/alberta/ UCP is at 52% as of January 20. NDP is at 44%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, Maninthebox said: The NDP have been trending downward since Notley stepped down, which I personally don't understand. I don't know if enough time has passed yet for people to remember the Nenshi early years, but I doubt it. Perhaps when Smith has had a couple more years Albertans may be willing to look to Nenshi again. Rural Alberta is heavily UCP, Edmonton is heavily NDP, and Calgary is essentially split. No marked Liberal presence at the moment, but the province (in general) is relatively split left/right and fairly willing to look at either side for leadership... despite the ignorant beliefs of you BC potheads I didn't realize election results were "beliefs" Nenshi was a good mayor for Cowtown, and always spoke well of AB in general out in the national media. He'd be a great choice because Smith is off her rocker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maninthebox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: Us "BC potheads" are aware of the rough splits. I think we're (I'm) just a little confused on how exactly it's still such a close split overall given the colossally poor/questionable/dumbfounded governance of the UCP. But I also can't fathom how ~40% of Canadians are polling that they think the Conservatives will actually be an improvement over the current government either. Different =/= better. Because Notley's prior run was also less than stellar. And likely due in part to a lack of confidence in the NDP at the federal level. 16 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I didn't realize election results were "beliefs" Nenshi was a good mayor for Cowtown, and always spoke well of AB in general out in the national media. He'd be a great choice because Smith is off her rocker. Nenshi started well and had a decent run that ended poorly. Recency bias, I guess. Stepping back and taking time away is a good move on his part. We'll see what he does in the next few years eh. 15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: https://338canada.com/alberta/ UCP is at 52% as of January 20. NDP is at 44%. Yea, with a projection of 93% UCP win if an election were called today. That seems high but... meh. Take my 'on the ground reporting' for what it's worth, I just fuckin' work here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 54 minutes ago, aGENT said: Us "BC potheads" are aware of the rough splits. I think we're (I'm) just a little confused on how exactly it's still such a close split overall given the colossally poor/questionable/dumbfounded governance of the UCP. But I also can't fathom how ~40% of Canadians are polling that they think the Conservatives will actually be an improvement over the current government either. Different =/= better. https://338canada.com/federal.htm The Conservatives are up to 42% now and 210 seats as of yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 44 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: https://338canada.com/federal.htm The Conservatives are up to 42% now and 210 seats as of yesterday. Does Bernier pack it in before the next election? Last vote he was pushing 5% and now down to 1.5%. His base seems to be drifting to the CPC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 24 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Does Bernier pack it in before the next election? Last vote he was pushing 5% and now down to 1.5%. His base seems to be drifting to the CPC. no, his salary comes from donations to that party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 4 minutes ago, Bob Long said: no, his salary comes from donations to that party. Are you suggesting politicians are in it for the money? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Just now, Boudrias said: Are you suggesting politicians are in it for the money? its Canada, so its more like for the pension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: its Canada, so its more like for the pension. Safe to say both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: its Canada, so its more like for the pension. 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: Safe to say both. And the free travel. One of PG's former MPs, Dick Harris, racked up a huge travel bill during his last term in Ottawa as he moved to Osoyoos, but still represented PG. All while being a career backbencher. I think he had the 3rd highest bill. Not to worry, his replacement Todd Doherty is racking up quite the travel bill as well. Easily outspending fellow CON Zimmer and NDP Cullen, who are also Northern BC MPs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, the destroyer of worlds said: And the free travel. One of PG's former MPs, Dick Harris, racked up a huge travel bill during his last term in Ottawa as he moved to Osoyoos, but still represented PG. All while being a career backbencher. I think he had the 3rd highest bill. Not to worry, his replacement Todd Doherty is racking up quite the travel bill as well. Easily outspending fellow CON Zimmer and NDP Cullen, who are also Northern BC MPs. nothing says a new heart valve like a steady diet of Air Canada food Edited February 26 by Bob Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Canadian cities 'not gatekeepers': Head of mayors' group pushes back on Poilievre https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canadian-cities-not-gatekeepers-head-of-mayors-group-pushes-back-on-poilievre-1.6784202 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Canadian cities 'not gatekeepers': Head of mayors' group pushes back on Poilievre https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canadian-cities-not-gatekeepers-head-of-mayors-group-pushes-back-on-poilievre-1.6784202 good to see them push back on this dumb narrative. PP really caught it in his zipper with that comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 hours ago, Maninthebox said: The NDP have been trending downward since Notley stepped down, which I personally don't understand. I don't know if enough time has passed yet for people to remember the Nenshi early years, but I doubt it. Perhaps when Smith has had a couple more years Albertans may be willing to look to Nenshi again. Rural Alberta is heavily UCP, Edmonton is heavily NDP, and Calgary is essentially split. No marked Liberal presence at the moment, but the province (in general) is relatively split left/right and fairly willing to look at either side for leadership... despite the ignorant beliefs of you BC potheads What I find interesting in the 'post-COVID' reality is that the cities spilled their left leaning populations out into the wilds from Summer 2020 thru even till today. The 'bubble' housing inflation is literally due to folks bidding wildly against each other to get a few more meters between them and their neighbours. Heck, even I did that. My nearest neighbour now is a horse farm and while we can see each others homes, you wouldn't be able to hear either of us screaming if you were at the other house. But that is besides my point: I am curious how each of the next cycle of elections in the provinces will play out riding by riding. I am someone who in short is a total political data nerd, but the longer version is that I have studied Canadian Politics from coast to coast to coast for pretty much my entire life from several perspectives. Family is traditionally PC/Socred and I am i guess the Black Sheep leaning just left of the federal Liberals. so having said all that: I am really excited and curious to chart the next round of elections all across Canada, including the next Federal one. With more left of center folks moving out to and past the Burbs, is it already too late for the general right wing in this country at the provincial levels? Have we already seen peak CON? is Skippy the culmination of that and the final hurrah for the reformacons before a neo progressive version takes root? I think despite his quickly being tossed out of leadership after the last federal election, the more centrist views of the ex-airforce guy Erin O'Toole are likely the majority of right wing voters preferred leadership styles. The problem with riding a populist wave into power is usually an undercurrent that you can not control. If P.P. wins a majority, one term will quickly decide if moderate conservatives, like the old PCs will carry the day or will the harsher alt-right supporters revel in their newfound power. Either way will allienate the others within the party and likely fracture any 'coalition' of the right that would elect him to a majority in the first place. In short, perhaps the best way to defeat the Cons is to let them rule for 4 years. Just a side thought. But yeah, back on topic: I wonder if the more ruralesque suburban ridings have been tipped already beyond recovery into left of center majorities? We didn't see CONS moving to the cities, we saw progressives move out to the burbs. But in enough numbers to tip the scales? Speaking about provincial politics more than federal at the moment. I suspect we are going to see a small wave of left wing provincial governments sweep in over the next 5 years. Didn't Notley lose the election with 44% voter support? That is HUGE for Alberta. 250k more voters chose the UCP though, a substantial downturn for them from previous cycles aside from the year the NDP actually won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 The thing about being conservative: you are always fighting a tactical withdrawal on almost every issue. It is the nature of a 'progressive' vs 'conservative' entrenched ideologies. Advancements have been happening for the entire age of humanity, and some folks try their very best to slow that down..but at best it is a resistor in a circuit, not an off switch. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Have we already seen peak CON? is Skippy the culmination of that and the final hurrah for the reformacons before a neo progressive version takes root? I I'm just going to pull out this bit. It might be wishful thinking, but I can't shake the idea that PP has anger peaked too early. Prematurely if you will. Its hard to sustain all that anger for most folks, particularly if they really get used to things like daycare and seeing older relatives benefit from dental and pharma. Maybe people get into more housing, etc. We're still something like 600 days out from the election. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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