Canadian Politics Thread

[Bob Long]

8 hours ago, bolt said:

actual crimes?,  like the current crimes where criminals get limited sentences.   If the bill was truly about preventing "actual crime" then why did it take them over 8 years to come up with this?  Crime is out of control in Canada and why is it so much worse with Trudeau at the helm?

 

Out of control?

[Bob Long]

4 hours ago, Wiggums said:

 

I'm not allowed to talk about most of it without being called a bigot etc and being banned.

 

What about biological men who trans to women and compete in women's athletics and demolish records?

 

Believe it or not I am a deeply connected and caring individual, but there are some things I have a hard time understanding and I need education.

 

This is listed as one of the "official" genders that I need to learn about without being called ignorant or a bigot etc.  

 

Abimegender is xenogender identity in which one's gender feels profound, deep, and infinite. This gender can be described as when one mirror is reflecting into another, creating an infinite reflection. It may also be associated with paradoxes.

 

 

 

Why do you care so much about what gender someone identifies as? What actual impact has it had on your life?

[Alflives]

23 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Why do you care so much about what gender someone identifies as? What actual impact has it had on your life?

IMHAO we have people in our society who have difficulty with their own reflection so they find it hard to accept there are those who see the world from a lens which is unlike their own. They are angry at themselves for their many issues and display their anger towards others. These are a sad lot.  They seek out other sad folk, with such limited views, and latch on to one another. Unfortunately society is stuck with these folks now. The internet has been their breeding ground. 
And, of course, as a result there is a shortage of tasty horse dewormer and truck balls!!! 

[Bob Long]

14 minutes ago, Alflives said:

IMHAO we have people in our society who have difficulty with their own reflection so they find it hard to accept there are those who see the world from a lens which is unlike their own. They are angry at themselves for their many issues and display their anger towards others. These are a sad lot.  They seek out other sad folk, with such limited views, and latch on to one another. Unfortunately society is stuck with these folks now. The internet has been their breeding ground. 
And, of course, as a result there is a shortage of tasty horse dewormer and truck balls!!! 

 

That's part of it for sure.

 

I'm genuinely curious tho why @Wiggums is so bothered by someone else's identity. I don't understand why he thinks it effects him, but maybe it does and I would like to hear how.

[flat land fish]

12 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

That is their parents job and not mine. 

The algorithm just drops in the porn everywhere.  My preteen and all of his buddies had some off stuff drop in their snapchat.  There's enough porn on the internet if you are looking for it.  Clean it up so there's less unintentional access.

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, flat land fish said:

The algorithm just drops in the porn everywhere.  My preteen and all of his buddies had some off stuff drop in their snapchat.  There's enough porn on the internet if you are looking for it.  Clean it up so there's less unintentional access.

 

How? What can our government do, that you can't as a parent? Snapchat isn't a Canadian company.

Edited February 28 by Bob Long

[Satchmo]

51 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

How? What can our government do, that you can't as a parent? Snapchat isn't a Canadian company.

At this time of the election cycle the what and how does not matter.   It just matters that they tell people they want to do it and that 'the woke' do not.  

[Satchmo]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Nope. It’s an easy fix. CRTC rules for TV apply to the Internet. No porn. Zero. 

Easy explanation.  Complicated fix.

[Gurn]

59,460    and

41,355

or 

.19% and 

.14%

Those numbers are  Stats Can provided, of the number of trans and non-binary self identifiers.

 

.19% plus  .14% = .33% of the population.

All this angst, by a few, over 1/3, of 1%, of the total population. Like seriously- this is an election issue?

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220427/dq220427b-eng.htm

[Satchmo]

3 minutes ago, Gurn said:

59,460    and

41,355

or 

.19% and 

.14%

Those numbers are  Stats Can provided, of the number of trans and non-binary self identifiers.

 

.19% plus  .14% = .33% of the population.

All this angst, by a few, over 1/3, of 1%, of the total population. Like seriously- this is an election issue?

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220427/dq220427b-eng.htm

Yeah,  but what about their recruitment campaigns?  

[Gurn]

3 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Yeah,  but what about their recruitment campaigns?  

True- if they can recruit, by just 'whipping it out' in a washroom; everyone will be trans within the year.

[Bob Long]

25 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

At this time of the election cycle the what and how does not matter.   It just matters that they tell people they want to do it and that 'the woke' do not.  

 

I let my preteen on snapchat. Damn you, Justin. 

[Bob Long]

its worth posting this about C63 since there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding:

 

What C-63 does and doesn't do

Poilievre may have been disappointed on Monday afternoon when the legislation was finally tabled. After running their intentions through multiple rounds of consultations, the government ended up with a rather narrow piece of legislation.

Platforms will be required to produce "digital safety plans" to mitigate the risk that users will be exposed to harmful content, and they will be subjected to new oversight and transparency requirements. But they will only be required to remove two types of content — material that sexually victimizes a child and intimate content posted without consent. 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/online-harms-virani-1.7127321

[Wiggums]

16 minutes ago, Gurn said:

True- if they can recruit, by just 'whipping it out' in a washroom; everyone will be trans within the year.

 

Give it a rest

 

2 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

Why do you care so much about what gender someone identifies as? What actual impact has it had on your life?

 

I have absolutely zero issue with the people themselves, I am accepting of everybody.

 

There are authoritarian laws, agendas and ideologies that are pushed too far, which is a scary concept... Not because I don't want trans or gay or whatever people to have rights..which is the popular misconception and leads to name calling and false accusations towards myself

Edited February 28 by Wiggums

[Sapper]

If this was ever ( and I mean EVER).about the children then why have we not followed the stats of organizations and occupations that are at the top of the child sex abuse cases historically ?

 

For some reason religion gets a free pass and the raving right wing screams protect the children from made up fear , all.the while refusing to look in the mirror

 

Only the most completely brain washed doesn't get it that this is nothing more than hate farming by conservatives

 

They plant seeds of fear of made up fantasies that speak to their voter bases bias and beliefs and wait for that hate to explode and harvest the energy by proclaiming to be their savoir ..... 

 

If protecting kids was the real goal one would have thought the not withstanding clause would have been better used to order certain religions to comply with Canadian laws to not protect abusing priests 

 

But no ... Stopping 1 or 2 trans teens from sports is more important to conservatives

 

We see it in Millhouse's response to the new crime bill ... He wants to talk.about trudeau's black face to plant more seeds for harvest rather than maybe ... You know ... Giving a rats ass about kids 

 

Seriously all he had to do was stand up and scream the bill didn't go far enough and he could have sounded off on tougher laws .... If they cared that is

Edited February 28 by Sapper

[Satchmo]

15 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

There are authoritarian laws, agendas and ideologies that are pushed too far, which is a scary concept... Not because I don't want trans or gay or whatever people to have rights..which is the popular misconception and leads to name calling and false accusations towards myself

Such as?

Edited February 28 by Satchmo

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Wiggums said:

 

https://www.westernstandard.news/alberta/exclusive-teenage-girl-says-she-was-horrified-after-transgendered-incident-at-calgary-pool/article_13cdc06c-bd1d-11ed-82ae-0b62b7a9b00c.html

 

 

I have absolutely zero issue with the people themselves, I am accepting of everybody.

 

There are authoritarian laws, agendas and ideologies that are pushed too far, which is a scary concept... Not because I don't want trans or gay or whatever people to have rights..which is the popular misconception and leads to name calling and false accusations towards myself

 

what laws are you referring to?

[flat land fish]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

How? What can our government do, that you can't as a parent? Snapchat isn't a Canadian company.

The problem is you can't block everything.  In 1984 you could tell your kid to avoid the guy in the van by the playground but today the under belly of society can blend in on the web.  I lean pretty conservative in my politics but as a parent I support making the internet a little less of the wild west.  

[Sapper]

Thought for the day

 

Conservatives to others " Sit down and stop teaches my kids about sex. We don't want your grooming of the kids"

 

Conservatives to those not sharing their views " Sit down and we are going to tell your kids what to believe about sex. we want to groom your children to be like us"

 

Kidding aside it really is sad just how brain washed some are. 

If someone knocked at your door screaming the martians are invading you'd think they are nuts .... Change a word or 2 in that rant and now folks are becoming nuts lol

 

[112]

18 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

Give it a rest

 

 

I have absolutely zero issue with the people themselves, I am accepting of everybody.

 

There are authoritarian laws, agendas and ideologies that are pushed too far, which is a scary concept... Not because I don't want trans or gay or whatever people to have rights..which is the popular misconception and leads to name calling and false accusations towards myself

You posted a link to a non-story before removing it. "Person uses appropriate changing room." It's not an issue but clearly demonstrates that you do not, in fact, want transgender people to have equal rights under the law.

 

You're being entirely too vague with your subsequent words after "authoritarian." I don't suspect you've ever lived in an actual autocracy.

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[Bob Long]

Just now, flat land fish said:

The problem is you can't block everything.  In 1984 you could tell your kid to avoid the guy in the van by the playground but today the under belly of society can blend in on the web.  I lean pretty conservative in my politics but as a parent I support making the internet a little less of the wild west.  

 

but the issue is how, how does the rubber meet the road on this. You can control whats on your kids phone, thats the first line of defence. Second is the education about the internet that you make sure they have. 

 

After that? Even if you take your kids phone away, he's got a buddy at recess with a phone that knows what a VPN is. You can't hide them from the world. 

 

By thinking that Poilievre can bring in laws to protect your kid, you might be putting your kid in more of a dangerous position, because PP's ideas can't prevent access. You'd be leaving your kid out there unprotected thinking PP has solved something. 

 

[RupertKBD]

19 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

its worth posting this about C63 since there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding:

 

What C-63 does and doesn't do

Poilievre may have been disappointed on Monday afternoon when the legislation was finally tabled. After running their intentions through multiple rounds of consultations, the government ended up with a rather narrow piece of legislation.

Platforms will be required to produce "digital safety plans" to mitigate the risk that users will be exposed to harmful content, and they will be subjected to new oversight and transparency requirements. But they will only be required to remove two types of content — material that sexually victimizes a child and intimate content posted without consent. 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/online-harms-virani-1.7127321

 

Ah, but Jimmy, don't you see? This is all a diabolical plot by Justin to silence people who criticize him. Once he's completed the master plan, we won't even know Alberta and Saskatchewan exist!

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Ah, but Jimmy, don't you see? This is all a diabolical plot by Justin to silence people who criticize him. Once he's completed the master plan, we won't even know Alberta and Saskatchewan exist!

 

I'm from the area, and I forget it exists sometimes.

 

 

[RupertKBD]

Just now, Bob Long said:

I'm from the area, and I forget it exists sometimes.

 

I'm aware. I spent most of the 80's moving around between towns in the two provinces....and there's a lot I'd like to forget as well....

[Sapper]

1 minute ago, flat land fish said:

The problem is you can't block everything.  In 1984 you could tell your kid to avoid the guy in the van by the playground but today the under belly of society can blend in on the web.  I lean pretty conservative in my politics but as a parent I support making the internet a little less of the wild west.  

The problem is we can't simply lock away dad's penthouses and know that we have blocked kids from porn

 

Back in the 90's every thing I tried on the net failed .... As soon as I installed another parental program they found ways around it. The internet has changed everything and nothing we do will ever stop it completly.

 

This forces parents to be more active and have such adult conversations about things like porn and what actual real sex is vs what is in porn.

 

Kids will find work around for the net faster then the best spy agencies could

 

Most current suggestions really have the goal of life before the internet which is no longer possible

 

My grandmother had said she felt the same when Playboy's magazine came out. Before that her son ( my dad ) had next to no access to see what a nude women looked like outside of marriage ( think 1950's) ... But once playboy came out locking them up or throwing them away did.nothing because the boys made copies ,clipped pictures and kept sharing .....