Canadian Politics Thread

[Warhippy]

32 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

 

Give it a rest

 

 

I have absolutely zero issue with the people themselves, I am accepting of everybody.

 

There are authoritarian laws, agendas and ideologies that are pushed too far, which is a scary concept... Not because I don't want trans or gay or whatever people to have rights..which is the popular misconception and leads to name calling and false accusations towards myself

Your posting history about liberals, leftists and literally any child or parent tolerant of or understanding of drag shows, drag library time or regarding transitioning individuals and kids here suggests otherwise in a very clear manner.

 

Posting history that is almost without deviation negative.

Edited February 28 by Warhippy

[RupertKBD]

Meh. If people are really concerned about their kids gaining access to porn sites, they just need to access parental controls on their router. No need to ask the government to step in and do this sort of thing for you....

 

BTW: I thought you Righties were for less government involvement in people's lives?

[RupertKBD]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Your posting history here suggests otherwise in a very clear manner

 

Bigly

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

Meh. If people are really concerned about their kids gaining access to porn sites, they just need to access parental controls on their router. No need to ask the government to step in and do this sort of thing for you....

 

BTW: I thought you Righties were for less government involvement in people's lives?

 

kids still need education, as they will have a buddy who's parents don't bother with that kind of thing. 

 

Its so odd, the 'parental rights' crowd seems to think government can step in and do a better job of protecting kids than they can. 

 

[Gurn]

36 minutes ago, Wiggums said:

Give it a rest

Take 1:

Did I touch a sore spot?

Take 2:

So much for free speech!

Take 3:

You are not my Daddy-don't  tell me what to do!

 

.19 and .14% of the population.

Yet it remains such a huge issue to a few people.

Sad.

 

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

kids still need education, as they will have a buddy who's parents don't bother with that kind of thing. 

 

Its so odd, the 'parental rights' crowd seems to think government can step in and do a better job of protecting kids than they can. 

 

Yup.  This is a massive government over-reacharound.

[RupertKBD]

3 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

kids still need education, as they will have a buddy who's parents don't bother with that kind of thing. 

 

Its so odd, the 'parental rights' crowd seems to think government can step in and do a better job of protecting kids than they can. 

 

 

As several people have already stated, you can't plug all the holes. (no pun intended)

 

Mitigation is the best anyone can hope for. Bottom line is, parents can do the mitigating without government intervention.

[RupertKBD]

BTW Jimmy, that post just brought a scenario to mind.....

 

"Hey bro, mind if I jerk off at your place? My folks have blocked me and I'm getting backed up".....

[aGENT]

31 minutes ago, Sapper said:

The problem is we can't simply lock away dad's penthouses and know that we have blocked kids from porn

 

Back in the 90's every thing I tried on the net failed .... As soon as I installed another parental program they found ways around it. The internet has changed everything and nothing we do will ever stop it completly.

 

This forces parents to be more active and have such adult conversations about things like porn and what actual real sex is vs what is in porn.

 

Kids will find work around for the net faster then the best spy agencies could

 

Most current suggestions really have the goal of life before the internet which is no longer possible

 

My grandmother had said she felt the same when Playboy's magazine came out. Before that her son ( my dad ) had next to no access to see what a nude women looked like outside of marriage ( think 1950's) ... But once playboy came out locking them up or throwing them away did.nothing because the boys made copies ,clipped pictures and kept sharing ..... 

 

 

 

I remember going through Usenet Newsgroups for porn in the 90's . Where there's the will of a horny teenager, there's a way!

 

19 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Take 1:

Did I touch a sore spot?

Take 2:

So much for free speech!

Take 3:

You are not my Daddy-don't  tell me what to do!

 

.19 and .14% of the population.

Yet it remains such a huge issue to a few people.

Sad.

 

 

Now cross that with with the percentage of the population that are sexual offenders (as seems to be the primary concern of anti-trans folks). The numbers are so small it's laughable that it takes up so much of their brain space.

 

The big, bad, trans boogeyperson...ooooooh!!!!

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

I remember going through Usenet Newsgroups for porn in the 90's . Where there's the will of a horny teenager, there's a way!

 

 

Now cross that with with the percentage of the population that are sexual offenders (as seems to be the primary concern of anti-trans folks). The numbers are so small it's laughable that it takes up so much of their brain space.

 

The big, bad, trans boogeyperson...ooooooh!!!!

Imo a lot of that angst stems from self loathing.

It is likely that many of the folk that are so upset, have 'dabbled' in the activities that they are now so stridently against.

Just can't forgive themselves for past actions- and cannot accept that there is nothing to forgive themselves for, in the first place.

 

[DSVII]

17 hours ago, Wiggums said:

 Who? When?  Where?

 

 

 

During the parental rights issue a few months back. I'm not about to wade through that reactionary mess for a comment that has most likely been edited by now.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 28 by DSVII

[StrayDog]

1 hour ago, Wiggums said:

 

I have absolutely zero issue with the people themselves, I am accepting of everybody.

 

You continually use variations of this statement. If you need to always tell people that you are something, the likelihood is you are definitely not.

[Optimist Prime]

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/online-harms-act-arif-virani-1.7127037

 

Justice Minister Arif Virani says the Online Harms Act won't give the federal government the power to determine what is and isn't appropriate content.

The bill, tabled by the Liberal government Monday, includes an amendment to define "hatred" in Canada's Criminal Code. That definition, Virani said, does not include insulting or offensive content, but rather recognized hate speech like calling for genocide.

"People insult groups or people or races or religions all of the time. That's going to continue to be awful but lawful," Virani told The Current's Matt Galloway.

"But when you call for the extermination of a people, you're hitting a hate standard that's already been entrenched by the courts."

The bill proposes to police online content across seven categories that it deems as harmful. That includes content used to bully a child or encourages a child to harm themselves.

The categories also include hate speech, content that incites violence or terrorism, content that sexualizes children or victims of sexual violence, and sexual content that is posted without consent. 

[RupertKBD]

2 hours ago, Gurn said:

Imo a lot of that angst stems from self loathing.

It is likely that many of the folk that are so upset, have 'dabbled' in the activities that they are now so stridently against.

Just can't forgive themselves for past actions- and cannot accept that there is nothing to forgive themselves for, in the first place.

 

 

[RupertKBD]

1 hour ago, StrayDog said:

You continually use variations of this statement. If you need to always tell people that you are something, the likelihood is you are definitely not.

 

Yeah, it's right up there with "I'm not a racist, but".....

[Optimist Prime]

For those unfamiliar with the federal 'bills' process, here is the website you can see all the stuff related to the bills processing through parliament: you can actually even read the bill yourself, rather than parroting a politicians angle on it, or the press angle on it. You can literally read line by line the real article as it attempts to become law, or fails to become law. Including the vote breakdown and amendment suggestions and their side votes... et cetera. 

"S-#" means the bill originates in the Senate, which is lawful but not often they make it to royal ascent through the house of elected MP's. 
"C-#" means the bill originates in the House of Commons.

There are currently 100 Senate originated bills in the process and 246 House originated bills in the process for this Session of the 44th Parliament. Many have passed already.

 

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bills

 

@Master Mind I am reading it now for the 2nd time personally, if you have not, you can read it here:

 

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-63

 

Spoiler contains the summary from the top of the bill. 

Spoiler

SUMMARY

Part 1 of this enactment enacts the Online Harms Act, whose purpose is to, among other things, promote the online safety of persons in Canada, reduce harms caused to persons in Canada as a result of harmful content online and ensure that the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies are transparent and accountable with respect to their duties under that Act.

That Act, among other things,

(a) establishes the Digital Safety Commission of Canada, whose mandate is to administer and enforce that Act, ensure that operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies are transparent and accountable with respect to their duties under that Act and contribute to the development of standards with respect to online safety;

(b) creates the position of Digital Safety Ombudsperson of Canada, whose mandate is to provide support to users of social media services in respect of which that Act applies and advocate for the public interest in relation to online safety;

(c) establishes the Digital Safety Office of Canada, whose mandate is to support the Digital Safety Commission of Canada and the Digital Safety Ombudsperson of Canada in the fulfillment of their mandates;

(d) imposes on the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies

(i) a duty to act responsibly in respect of the services that they operate, including by implementing measures that are adequate to mitigate the risk that users will be exposed to harmful content on the services and submitting digital safety plans to the Digital Safety Commission of Canada,

(ii) a duty to protect children in respect of the services that they operate by integrating into the services design features that are provided for by regulations,

(iii) a duty to make content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor and intimate content communicated without consent inaccessible to persons in Canada in certain circumstances, and

(iv) a duty to keep all records that are necessary to determine whether they are complying with their duties under that Act;

(e) authorizes the Digital Safety Commission of Canada to accredit certain persons that conduct research or engage in education, advocacy or awareness activities that are related to that Act for the purposes of enabling those persons to have access to inventories of electronic data and to electronic data of the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies;

(f) provides that persons in Canada may make a complaint to the Digital Safety Commission of Canada that content on a social media service in respect of which that Act applies is content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor or intimate content communicated without consent and authorizes the Commission to make orders requiring the operators of those services to make that content inaccessible to persons in Canada;

(g) authorizes the Governor in Council to make regulations respecting the payment of charges by the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies, for the purpose of recovering costs incurred in relation to that Act.

Part 1 also makes consequential amendments to other Acts.

Part 2 amends the Criminal Code to, among other things,

(a) create a hate crime offence of committing an offence under that Act or any other Act of Parliament that is motivated by hatred based on certain factors;

(b) create a recognizance to keep the peace relating to hate propaganda and hate crime offences;

(c) define “hatred” for the purposes of the new offence and the hate propaganda offences; and

(d) increase the maximum sentences for the hate propaganda offences.

It also makes related amendments to other Acts.

Part 3 amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to provide that it is a discriminatory practice to communicate or cause to be communicated hate speech by means of the Internet or any other means of telecommunication in a context in which the hate speech is likely to foment detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination. It authorizes the Canadian Human Rights Commission to deal with complaints alleging that discriminatory practice and authorizes the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to inquire into such complaints and order remedies.

Part 4 amends An Act respecting the mandatory reporting of Internet child pornography by persons who provide an Internet service to, among other things,

(a) clarify the types of Internet services covered by that Act;

(b) simplify the mandatory notification process set out in section 3 by providing that all notifications be sent to a law enforcement body designated in the regulations;

(c) require that transmission data be provided with the mandatory notice in cases where the content is manifestly child pornography;

(d) extend the period of preservation of data related to an offence;

(e) extend the limitation period for the prosecution of an offence under that Act; and

(f) add certain regulation-making powers.

Part 5 contains a coordinating amendment.

 

[Satchmo]

29 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/online-harms-act-arif-virani-1.7127037

 

Justice Minister Arif Virani says the Online Harms Act won't give the federal government the power to determine what is and isn't appropriate content.

The bill, tabled by the Liberal government Monday, includes an amendment to define "hatred" in Canada's Criminal Code. That definition, Virani said, does not include insulting or offensive content, but rather recognized hate speech like calling for genocide.

"People insult groups or people or races or religions all of the time. That's going to continue to be awful but lawful," Virani told The Current's Matt Galloway.

"But when you call for the extermination of a people, you're hitting a hate standard that's already been entrenched by the courts."

The bill proposes to police online content across seven categories that it deems as harmful. That includes content used to bully a child or encourages a child to harm themselves.

The categories also include hate speech, content that incites violence or terrorism, content that sexualizes children or victims of sexual violence, and sexual content that is posted without consent. 

 

19 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

For those unfamiliar with the federal 'bills' process, here is the website you can see all the stuff related to the bills processing through parliament: you can actually even read the bill yourself, rather than parroting a politicians angle on it, or the press angle on it. You can literally read line by line the real article as it attempts to become law, or fails to become law. Including the vote breakdown and amendment suggestions and their side votes... et cetera. 

"S-#" means the bill originates in the Senate, which is lawful but not often they make it to royal ascent through the house of elected MP's. 
"C-#" means the bill originates in the House of Commons.

There are currently 100 Senate originated bills in the process and 246 House originated bills in the process for this Session of the 44th Parliament. Many have passed already.

 

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bills

 

@Master Mind I am reading it now for the 2nd time personally, if you have not, you can read it here:

 

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-63

 

Spoiler contains the summary from the top of the bill. 

  Reveal hidden contents

SUMMARY

Part 1 of this enactment enacts the Online Harms Act, whose purpose is to, among other things, promote the online safety of persons in Canada, reduce harms caused to persons in Canada as a result of harmful content online and ensure that the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies are transparent and accountable with respect to their duties under that Act.

That Act, among other things,

(a) establishes the Digital Safety Commission of Canada, whose mandate is to administer and enforce that Act, ensure that operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies are transparent and accountable with respect to their duties under that Act and contribute to the development of standards with respect to online safety;

(b) creates the position of Digital Safety Ombudsperson of Canada, whose mandate is to provide support to users of social media services in respect of which that Act applies and advocate for the public interest in relation to online safety;

(c) establishes the Digital Safety Office of Canada, whose mandate is to support the Digital Safety Commission of Canada and the Digital Safety Ombudsperson of Canada in the fulfillment of their mandates;

(d) imposes on the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies

(i) a duty to act responsibly in respect of the services that they operate, including by implementing measures that are adequate to mitigate the risk that users will be exposed to harmful content on the services and submitting digital safety plans to the Digital Safety Commission of Canada,

(ii) a duty to protect children in respect of the services that they operate by integrating into the services design features that are provided for by regulations,

(iii) a duty to make content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor and intimate content communicated without consent inaccessible to persons in Canada in certain circumstances, and

(iv) a duty to keep all records that are necessary to determine whether they are complying with their duties under that Act;

(e) authorizes the Digital Safety Commission of Canada to accredit certain persons that conduct research or engage in education, advocacy or awareness activities that are related to that Act for the purposes of enabling those persons to have access to inventories of electronic data and to electronic data of the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies;

(f) provides that persons in Canada may make a complaint to the Digital Safety Commission of Canada that content on a social media service in respect of which that Act applies is content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor or intimate content communicated without consent and authorizes the Commission to make orders requiring the operators of those services to make that content inaccessible to persons in Canada;

(g) authorizes the Governor in Council to make regulations respecting the payment of charges by the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies, for the purpose of recovering costs incurred in relation to that Act.

Part 1 also makes consequential amendments to other Acts.

Part 2 amends the Criminal Code to, among other things,

(a) create a hate crime offence of committing an offence under that Act or any other Act of Parliament that is motivated by hatred based on certain factors;

(b) create a recognizance to keep the peace relating to hate propaganda and hate crime offences;

(c) define “hatred” for the purposes of the new offence and the hate propaganda offences; and

(d) increase the maximum sentences for the hate propaganda offences.

It also makes related amendments to other Acts.

Part 3 amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to provide that it is a discriminatory practice to communicate or cause to be communicated hate speech by means of the Internet or any other means of telecommunication in a context in which the hate speech is likely to foment detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination. It authorizes the Canadian Human Rights Commission to deal with complaints alleging that discriminatory practice and authorizes the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to inquire into such complaints and order remedies.

Part 4 amends An Act respecting the mandatory reporting of Internet child pornography by persons who provide an Internet service to, among other things,

(a) clarify the types of Internet services covered by that Act;

(b) simplify the mandatory notification process set out in section 3 by providing that all notifications be sent to a law enforcement body designated in the regulations;

(c) require that transmission data be provided with the mandatory notice in cases where the content is manifestly child pornography;

(d) extend the period of preservation of data related to an offence;

(e) extend the limitation period for the prosecution of an offence under that Act; and

(f) add certain regulation-making powers.

Part 5 contains a coordinating amendment.

 

It's all beginning to sound less and less subjective.   It's almost as if there is an objective in mind.

[112]

2 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

 

It's all beginning to sound less and less subjective.   It's almost as if there is an objective in mind.

 

Murder is only subjectively wrong.

[Optimist Prime]

3 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

 

It's all beginning to sound less and less subjective.   It's almost as if there is an objective in mind.

well, i can be a real nerd. I dig into policy a lot 'for kicks'. I like this approach better than making us dox ourselves to the shadiest industry in teh interwebs: prawn sites. 

[The Arrogant Worms]

 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Optimist Prime said:

For those unfamiliar with the federal 'bills' process, here is the website you can see all the stuff related to the bills processing through parliament: you can actually even read the bill yourself, rather than parroting a politicians angle on it, or the press angle on it. You can literally read line by line the real article as it attempts to become law, or fails to become law. Including the vote breakdown and amendment suggestions and their side votes... et cetera. 

"S-#" means the bill originates in the Senate, which is lawful but not often they make it to royal ascent through the house of elected MP's. 
"C-#" means the bill originates in the House of Commons.

There are currently 100 Senate originated bills in the process and 246 House originated bills in the process for this Session of the 44th Parliament. Many have passed already.

 

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bills

 

@Master Mind I am reading it now for the 2nd time personally, if you have not, you can read it here:

 

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-63

 

Spoiler contains the summary from the top of the bill. 

  Reveal hidden contents

SUMMARY

Part 1 of this enactment enacts the Online Harms Act, whose purpose is to, among other things, promote the online safety of persons in Canada, reduce harms caused to persons in Canada as a result of harmful content online and ensure that the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies are transparent and accountable with respect to their duties under that Act.

That Act, among other things,

(a) establishes the Digital Safety Commission of Canada, whose mandate is to administer and enforce that Act, ensure that operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies are transparent and accountable with respect to their duties under that Act and contribute to the development of standards with respect to online safety;

(b) creates the position of Digital Safety Ombudsperson of Canada, whose mandate is to provide support to users of social media services in respect of which that Act applies and advocate for the public interest in relation to online safety;

(c) establishes the Digital Safety Office of Canada, whose mandate is to support the Digital Safety Commission of Canada and the Digital Safety Ombudsperson of Canada in the fulfillment of their mandates;

(d) imposes on the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies

(i) a duty to act responsibly in respect of the services that they operate, including by implementing measures that are adequate to mitigate the risk that users will be exposed to harmful content on the services and submitting digital safety plans to the Digital Safety Commission of Canada,

(ii) a duty to protect children in respect of the services that they operate by integrating into the services design features that are provided for by regulations,

(iii) a duty to make content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor and intimate content communicated without consent inaccessible to persons in Canada in certain circumstances, and

(iv) a duty to keep all records that are necessary to determine whether they are complying with their duties under that Act;

(e) authorizes the Digital Safety Commission of Canada to accredit certain persons that conduct research or engage in education, advocacy or awareness activities that are related to that Act for the purposes of enabling those persons to have access to inventories of electronic data and to electronic data of the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies;

(f) provides that persons in Canada may make a complaint to the Digital Safety Commission of Canada that content on a social media service in respect of which that Act applies is content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor or intimate content communicated without consent and authorizes the Commission to make orders requiring the operators of those services to make that content inaccessible to persons in Canada;

(g) authorizes the Governor in Council to make regulations respecting the payment of charges by the operators of social media services in respect of which that Act applies, for the purpose of recovering costs incurred in relation to that Act.

Part 1 also makes consequential amendments to other Acts.

Part 2 amends the Criminal Code to, among other things,

(a) create a hate crime offence of committing an offence under that Act or any other Act of Parliament that is motivated by hatred based on certain factors;

(b) create a recognizance to keep the peace relating to hate propaganda and hate crime offences;

(c) define “hatred” for the purposes of the new offence and the hate propaganda offences; and

(d) increase the maximum sentences for the hate propaganda offences.

It also makes related amendments to other Acts.

Part 3 amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to provide that it is a discriminatory practice to communicate or cause to be communicated hate speech by means of the Internet or any other means of telecommunication in a context in which the hate speech is likely to foment detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination. It authorizes the Canadian Human Rights Commission to deal with complaints alleging that discriminatory practice and authorizes the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to inquire into such complaints and order remedies.

Part 4 amends An Act respecting the mandatory reporting of Internet child pornography by persons who provide an Internet service to, among other things,

(a) clarify the types of Internet services covered by that Act;

(b) simplify the mandatory notification process set out in section 3 by providing that all notifications be sent to a law enforcement body designated in the regulations;

(c) require that transmission data be provided with the mandatory notice in cases where the content is manifestly child pornography;

(d) extend the period of preservation of data related to an offence;

(e) extend the limitation period for the prosecution of an offence under that Act; and

(f) add certain regulation-making powers.

Part 5 contains a coordinating amendment.

 

 

So looking at the regulations section, I'm pretty sure legit companies are just going to opt out of Canada. This would be a big pain for them to administer:

 

Age-verification method

(2) Before prescribing an age-verification method under subsection (1), the Governor in Council must consider whether the method

• (a) is reliable;

• (b) maintains user privacy and protects user personal information;

• (c) collects and uses personal information solely for age-verification purposes, except to the extent required by law;

• (d) destroys any personal information collected for age-verification purposes once the verification is completed; and

• (e) generally complies with best practices in the fields of age verification and privacy protection.

   

   

   

[Optimist Prime]

10 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

So looking at the regulations section, I'm pretty sure legit companies are just going to opt out of Canada. This would be a big pain for them to administer:

 

Age-verification method

(2) Before prescribing an age-verification method under subsection (1), the Governor in Council must consider whether the method

• (a) is reliable;

• (b) maintains user privacy and protects user personal information;

• (c) collects and uses personal information solely for age-verification purposes, except to the extent required by law;

• (d) destroys any personal information collected for age-verification purposes once the verification is completed; and

• (e) generally complies with best practices in the fields of age verification and privacy protection.

   

   

   

SOrry but i Can't find what you have copied to your post anywhere in the bill: can you specify where you found it for me?

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said:

SOrry but i Can't find what you have copied to your post anywhere in the bill: can you specify where you found it for me?

 

its on the page for the senate bill, "11.Regulations" tab : https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/S-210/third-reading

 

As with all these laws, the regulatory scheme comes after the law is passed. So anyone claiming PP has come up with a plan is wrong, the actual method is TBD. 

 

[The Arrogant Worms]

[Optimist Prime]

3 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

its on the page for the senate bill, "11.Regulations" tab : https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/S-210/third-reading

 

As with all these laws, the regulatory scheme comes after the law is passed. So anyone claiming PP has come up with a plan is wrong, the actual method is TBD. 

 

Ohhh okay, you are looking at a different bill. Not C-65. cheers, i am up to speed now about what you are talking about.