bishopshodan Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: personally I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are Canadian funds finding its way to Hamas. No no it's Hamas, with all their money, funding people in all our important Canadian institutions. Gov, Education, etc... You know, they have to dig up pipes to make rockets but they have extra funds for us susceptible Canadians. I mean, nobody would post such a claim if it wasn't true. 'What we see is a well planned PR campaign financed from where? I can make a good guess.' I can make a good guess about what his good guess is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Trudeau's Toronto event with Italy PM Meloni cancelled due to pro-Palestinian protest (msn.com) Trudeau's Toronto event with Italy PM Meloni cancelled due to pro-Palestinian protest Toronto event where Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was scheduled to host his Italian counterpart was cancelled on Saturday evening due to security concerns as hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters gathered outside the venue, a spokesperson for the Prime Minister's Office said. Demonstrators outside the Art Gallery of Ontario (AGO) criticized the federal government's handling of the Israel-Hamas war and chanted that Trudeau was funding a genocide in Gaza. Police told CBC News there were roughly 200 to 300 protesters outside the AGO on Saturday, but noted it was difficult to estimate the total size of the demonstration as protesters gathered outside several entrances. "Due to security concerns, the event was cancelled," a spokesperson for the PMO told CBC News on Saturday night via email. Would-be attendees gathered outside were confronted by demonstrators, with their paths to entry blocked. Some were later escorted to the building's entrance by police. International Development Minister Ahmed Hussen tried to enter through the main entrance, but protesters blocked his path and followed him for two blocks as he tried to enter a more secure location while flanked by police. These people should have been arrested and their bank accounts frozen. Meeting the Italian PM is very important and this is an embarrassment. Are protesters who follow one of our ministers for two blocks trying to intimidate him not guilty of a criminal offence? Or is that classified as a peaceful protest? Another suggestion: relocate their protest to where the conflict is actually happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Another suggestion: relocate their protest to where the conflict is actually happening. protest peacefully and within Canadian law, its all good. Bring the intimidation and fear though, take that shit back to where it came from. Last thing we need in Canada is holy wars breaking out. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: hmm.. dunno on this one. Why should people have to endure threats on the way into a building? thats not protesting. I also wonder what the yellers are really trying to accomplish. I haven't seen it but the description in this thread was the cops were there, and the security details would have high end national security people there. I trust their judgements. EDIT: just remembered the guy yelling threats at the mall in Vancouver: he was arrested 7 weeks later. LIkely the folks uttering threats are under incredible scrutiny right now, probably being tailed to see who they meet with and their comms have probably already got a warrant for tapping. FAFO is a thing, but you get more out of a good investigation than a spur of the moment arrest, imo. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 41 minutes ago, Bob Long said: protest peacefully and within Canadian law, its all good. Bring the intimidation and fear though, take that shit back to where it came from. Last thing we need in Canada is holy wars breaking out. Though I agree with your post, is anyone else not seeing some similarities to the Ottawa occupation? There are still people here that claim it was a peaceful protest squashed by Trudeau in jackboots and here we have people calling for his government to make arrests within hours of this event. All fine I guess as long as we are applying the same logic to both events. Or is there something else at play here…? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: My sister in law works for DND and was attending a conference on Friday. They were met by pro Palestinian protestors who yelled threats until they got inside the building. She said police presence was heavy but she saw no arrests. My hope would be that non-Canadian activists would be arrested and shipped back to their country of origin. What we see is a well planned PR campaign financed from where? I can make a good guess. I'd have to make follow up questions before I was to judge something like this. For example, what kinds of threats were they making? We have to keep in mind that an actual threat in legal terms is any words, written messages, or actions that threaten bodily harm, death, damage to real or personal property or pets. If they weren't actually doing that, then it's not a threat the police could get involved with in the 1st place. Second, what exactly kind of actions are these non-Canadian activists doing outside of "threats" (see paragraph 1 on that) and actions of protest? I hate blanketing groups in such a way because it never ends up being the right decision for all. Often times it ends up being the right decision for a few and the wrong decision for many more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Though I agree with your post, is anyone else not seeing some similarities to the Ottawa occupation? There are still people here that claim it was a peaceful protest squashed by Trudeau in jackboots and here we have people calling for his government to make arrests within hours of this event. All fine I guess as long as we are applying the same logic to both events. Or is there something else at play here…? Could be for sure. I dislike both events, or more precisely the asshats at both events. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rook Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 21 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: I have formerly held the highest clearance in Canada and briefed PM's in my day. Flew around the globe with one on his detail and held positions with CFIOG and CSE. I have been to the NSA HQ in the US. I have a lifetime of experience and training, now retired. I share CSIS concerns and agree with them. There are threats from several political angles, the most dangerous facing Canada right now is the threat from a zeitgeist that thinks it is okay to crash your truck into a barricade at the Governor Generals house and go hunting for the Prime Minister on the grounds with a long gun. There is no left wing version of this incredibly high threat. A second example: guns and grenades and body armour brought to the Cowboy Convoy picket lines at the Alberta Border. A third example? Some Proud Boy's from Canada are currently serving very long sentences in the USA for traveling out of our country to join in that countries overthrow of the democratically elected government. I could give you examples 4 thru 10 but If you don't already believe me, the rest wouldn't move your needle. Round here we call it the Crybaby Caravan In all seriousness, the fact people can’t look at the chaos they caused across the country, a lot of which unlawfully, is to be looked upon as anything but criminal I’m not sure what to say. Blockading borders and using noise torture to try and bring a city to its knees is not a peaceful protest. Not to mention the violence and intolerance showed by its members to local businesses. These are not Canadians. This isn’t what my family served to protect. It also shows the intelligence, and class when they all roll up to schools with profanities on full display. Let’s just say when I offer the slogan back at them, they are pretty fast at the cowering, bunch of cowards, who worship a Rat King 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Rook said: and class when they all roll up to schools with profanities on full display. I'd forgotten about that bit of idiocy, must have been overwhelmed by all the other crap those folk were causing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 14 minutes ago, Gurn said: I'd forgotten about that bit of idiocy, must have been overwhelmed by all the other crap those folk were causing. There was a local guy who got banned from school property because he would bring and wave a flag while waiting for his you child. When politely confronted he lost his mind and went off on the typical free speech rights etc.. all that movement is, in a nutshell.. grifters finding the disenfranchised, undereducated, easily convincible portion of the population. Trust me I know, my brother is one of them.. the guy is one of the stupidest sad sacks you will ever meet. Could barely complete a full written sentence until the age of 30, but can however discern between reality and propaganda??? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, 4petesake said: Though I agree with your post, is anyone else not seeing some similarities to the Ottawa occupation? There are still people here that claim it was a peaceful protest squashed by Trudeau in jackboots and here we have people calling for his government to make arrests within hours of this event. All fine I guess as long as we are applying the same logic to both events. Or is there something else at play here…? I guess the biggest difference is the convoy people were protesting what was happening to them right here in Canada. These Palestinian protesters are protesting events that have nothing to do with Canada and are happening in a completely different country. They are also yelling at the Prime Minister and telling him he is funding a genocide in Gaza. Wouldn’t that be considered a hate speech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I guess the biggest difference is the convoy people were protesting what was happening to them right here in Canada. These Palestinian protesters are protesting events that have nothing to do with Canada and are happening in a completely different country. They are also yelling at the Prime Minister and telling him he is funding a genocide in Gaza. Wouldn’t that be considered a hate speech? How so? You might want to familiarize yourself with the criminal code before dropping something like that. Edited March 4 by 112 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I guess the biggest difference is the convoy people were protesting what was happening to them right here in Canada. These Palestinian protesters are protesting events that have nothing to do with Canada and are happening in a completely different country. They are also yelling at the Prime Minister and telling him he is funding a genocide in Gaza. Wouldn’t that be considered a hate speech? It is one thing to object or demonstrate against actions taken by Israel in Gaza and the West Bank but another to orchestrate a campaign of antisemitism. Many Jews in North America have never been to Israel and are non political. Yet they are being singled out and held accountable for nothing they have done. Simply because they are Jewish. Those who do this and are Canadians should be charged for hate crimes and those who are non Canadian should be sent back to whatever country is on their passports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 39 minutes ago, 112 said: How so? You might want to familiarize yourself with the criminal code before dropping something like that. Is calling the Prime Minister "genocide Justin" not considered hate speech? Toronto Police reviewing protest that prompted cancellation of PM's reception (msn.com) Demonstrators, who criticized the federal government’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war, chanted slogans such as "Justin Trudeau you're a liar" and calling him "genocide Justin." Would-be attendees were confronted by demonstrators, with their paths to entry blocked, but police later escorted some to the building's entrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 So the police are reviewing the incident... Toronto Police reviewing protest that prompted cancellation of PM's reception (msn.com) Demonstrators, who criticized the federal government’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war, chanted slogans such as "Justin Trudeau you're a liar" and calling him "genocide Justin." Would-be attendees were confronted by demonstrators, with their paths to entry blocked, but police later escorted some to the building's entrance. Liberal MP Marco Mendicino called on police "to enforce the law" following Saturday's protest, calling the demonstrators antisemitic. "The location was not secure. And that was their objective. They don’t want their fellow Canadians to feel safe," he said in a series of posts on X, formerly Twitter. "You break the law, you should be arrested, charged and prosecuted … These thugs think they scored a win last night, but all they did was lose public support and embarrass themselves. Time for the madness to stop." Deborah Lyons, Canada's special envoy for combatting antisemitism, said in an X post the cancellation of the event "is the direct result of caving in to the irrational demands of an out-of-control and noisy cohort, fueling their determination." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 50 minutes ago, 112 said: How so? You might want to familiarize yourself with the criminal code before dropping something like that. What about calling people genocidal baby killers while spitting in their faces? Does that count as a hate speech? FYI, Marco Mendicino is a Liberal MP who is Italian and was there to meet the Italian Prime Minister... Edited March 4 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: I guess the biggest difference is the convoy people were protesting what was happening to them right here in Canada. These Palestinian protesters are protesting events that have nothing to do with Canada and are happening in a completely different country. They are also yelling at the Prime Minister and telling him he is funding a genocide in Gaza. Wouldn’t that be considered a hate speech? It is legal in Canada to protest something happening in other countries, whether we agree with the particular protest or not so these protestors had every right to be there just like the convoy people. As long as they weren’t breaking any laws, after that all bets are off. You can correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t you say that JT was pushing C-63 to punish people who dislike or disagree with him? In fact one of the things bill is aimed at preventing the very speech you are describing now online, as pointed out by @Optimist Prime I mean I agree with you that any protesters using hate speech and breaking the law should be charged and dealt with, just as they were at the Ottawa occupation. Shouldn’t matter whose ox is being gored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 hours ago, Boudrias said: It is one thing to object or demonstrate against actions taken by Israel in Gaza and the West Bank but another to orchestrate a campaign of antisemitism. Many Jews in North America have never been to Israel and are non political. Yet they are being singled out and held accountable for nothing they have done. Simply because they are Jewish. Those who do this and are Canadians should be charged for hate crimes and those who are non Canadian should be sent back to whatever country is on their passports. So the organizers of this event are unapologetic and say that this kind of disruption is 'better than the alternative' - so how do we interpret that comment? And on the other end some fool with a nail gun showed up to threaten the protestors. This is what the mentality of this conflict brings to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, Bob Long said: And on the other end some fool with a nail gun showed up to threaten the protestors. Speaking of the CSIS mentioned greatest threat: here is your sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Speaking of the CSIS mentioned greatest threat: here is your sign. yea its nutty. I should have made it more clear it was two different protests. The nail gun dude was unhappy about a Palestinian protest outside a synagogue in Vaughn. I have to wonder why the RCMP wasn't more prepared for the Meloni visit though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I have to wonder why the RCMP wasn't more prepared for the Meloni visit though? Likely understaffed, like almost every other employer in the country. A couple of links https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-duheme-recruitment-1.6937969 "Commissioner Mike Duheme says widespread staffing shortages have left the RCMP at a 'crossroads' https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-federal-policing-frontline-flynn-1.6950735 " 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Is calling the Prime Minister "genocide Justin" not considered hate speech? Toronto Police reviewing protest that prompted cancellation of PM's reception (msn.com) Demonstrators, who criticized the federal government’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war, chanted slogans such as "Justin Trudeau you're a liar" and calling him "genocide Justin." Would-be attendees were confronted by demonstrators, with their paths to entry blocked, but police later escorted some to the building's entrance. 9 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: What about calling people genocidal baby killers while spitting in their faces? Does that count as a hate speech? FYI, Marco Mendicino is a Liberal MP who is Italian and was there to meet the Italian Prime Minister... For the record I'm not condoning what was done/said, but neither case is hate speech under the criminal code. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, 112 said: For the record I'm not condoning what was done/said, but neither case is hate speech under the criminal code. Spitting on someone, however, is assault still. Not hate speech but also not legal. https://globalnews.ca/news/6790575/spitting-coughing-assault-kelowna-man-charged/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 15 minutes ago, Gurn said: Likely understaffed, like almost every other employer in the country. A couple of links https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-duheme-recruitment-1.6937969 "Commissioner Mike Duheme says widespread staffing shortages have left the RCMP at a 'crossroads' https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-federal-policing-frontline-flynn-1.6950735 " Well, I hope its a wake up call. We're just going to see more of this, and frankly we look pretty weak on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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