D.B Cooper Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Don’t spit on people. Thats fucked. But Genocide Justin…….. lol. That’s funny stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 20 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Well, I hope its a wake up call. We're just going to see more of this, and frankly we look pretty weak on this. Wake up call? We are short of damn near every job. Military Medicine Policing construction ferries can't keep enough employees to run regular schedule grocery stores on and on....... Took years to get in this mess, and it will likely take decades to get out of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Gurn said: Wake up call? We are short of damn near every job. Military Medicine Policing construction ferries can't keep enough employees to run regular schedule grocery stores on and on....... Took years to get in this mess, and it will likely take decades to get out of it. not sure what the rest of that has to do with controlling protests more effectively? I don't believe its a staffing shortage, there is a shortage of will on the left to deal with it tho, imo. I think any leader on the left that actually dealt with these protestors properly would get hammered by their own base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, Bob Long said: not sure what the rest of that has to do with controlling protests more effectively? I don't believe its a staffing shortage, there is a shortage of will on the left to deal with it tho, imo. I think any leader on the left that actually dealt with these protestors properly would get hammered by their own base. Yah- why listen to the guy running the RCMP- what would he know about staffing levels anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, Gurn said: Yah- why listen to the guy running the RCMP- what would he know about staffing levels anyway? when did the police ever say they had too many members? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, 112 said: For the record I'm not condoning what was done/said, but neither case is hate speech under the criminal code. The term “hatred” actually isn’t currently defined under the criminal code. Which is why they are trying to bring in bill C-63. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada The Criminal Code creates criminal offences with respect to different aspects of hate propaganda, although without defining the term "hatred". Those offences are decided in the criminal courts and carry penal sanctions, such as fines, probation orders and imprisonment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland to present Liberals' federal budget on April 16 https://www.timescolonist.com/national-news/finance-minister-chrystia-freeland-to-present-liberals-federal-budget-on-april-16-8392324 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The term “hatred” actually isn’t currently defined under the criminal code. Which is why they are trying to bring in bill C-63. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada The Criminal Code creates criminal offences with respect to different aspects of hate propaganda, although without defining the term "hatred". Those offences are decided in the criminal courts and carry penal sanctions, such as fines, probation orders and imprisonment. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Federal byelection being held today in Ontario riding previously held by Erin O'Toole https://www.timescolonist.com/national-news/federal-byelection-being-held-today-in-ontario-riding-previously-held-by-erin-otoole-8391015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, 112 said: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html Hatred is not currently defined in the criminal code. It needs to be interpreted by the courts. Bill C-63 is supposed to fix that... Hate speech laws in Canada - Wikipedia Meaning of "hatred" The various laws that refer to "hatred" do not define it. The Supreme Court has explained the meaning of the term in various cases that have come before the Court. For example, in R v Keegstra, decided in 1990, Chief Justice Dickson for the majority explained the meaning of "hatred" in the context of the Criminal Code: Combatting hate speech and hate crimes: Proposed legislative changes to the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code (justice.gc.ca) Changes to the Criminal Code Definition of “hatred” The proposed legislation seeks to define “hatred” in the Criminal Code based on previous Supreme Court of Canada rulings. Because “hatred” is a key element of two of the hate propaganda offences, it helps to clarify for everyone in Canada what falls within the scope of these offences and what does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Hatred is not currently defined in the criminal code. It needs to be interpreted by the courts. Bill C-63 is supposed to fix that... Hate speech laws in Canada - Wikipedia Meaning of "hatred" The various laws that refer to "hatred" do not define it. The Supreme Court has explained the meaning of the term in various cases that have come before the Court. For example, in R v Keegstra, decided in 1990, Chief Justice Dickson for the majority explained the meaning of "hatred" in the context of the Criminal Code: Combatting hate speech and hate crimes: Proposed legislative changes to the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code (justice.gc.ca) Changes to the Criminal Code Definition of “hatred” The proposed legislation seeks to define “hatred” in the Criminal Code based on previous Supreme Court of Canada rulings. Because “hatred” is a key element of two of the hate propaganda offences, it helps to clarify for everyone in Canada what falls within the scope of these offences and what does not. Yes but we were talking about hate speech, which is already under the criminal code. Any definition of "hatred" as it pertains to the criminal code will be predicated on the idea of protected classes/identities. Calling Trudeau "genocide Justin", for example, would not fit the definition because perceived complicity with genocide is not a protected group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) I was going into a store and a man came up to me and yelled Dirty effing Jew right in my face. Does that count as hate speech? Probably not. I guess I should add that my dad is Scottish and my mom is part Native and part Finnish. It was based on physical appearance alone. Apparently, I look Jewish because I've had other nasty comments sent my way over the past few months. Edited March 4 by RWMc1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johngould21 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 18 hours ago, Rook said: Round here we call it the Crybaby Caravan In all seriousness, the fact people can’t look at the chaos they caused across the country, a lot of which unlawfully, is to be looked upon as anything but criminal I’m not sure what to say. Blockading borders and using noise torture to try and bring a city to its knees is not a peaceful protest. Not to mention the violence and intolerance showed by its members to local businesses. These are not Canadians. This isn’t what my family served to protect. It also shows the intelligence, and class when they all roll up to schools with profanities on full display. Let’s just say when I offer the slogan back at them, they are pretty fast at the cowering, bunch of cowards, who worship a Rat King While those convoy idiots were in Ottawa , Coutts Alberta, and wherever, a group of Ukrainian sympathizers were standing on a corner of a strip mall in Kelowna. Meanwhile a caravan of F150’s waving Canadian flags, blaring their horns looked like fools, but, that’s just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, RWMc1 said: I was going into a store and a man came up to me and yelled Dirty effing Jew right in my face. Does that count as hate speech? Probably not. I guess I should add that my dad is Scottish and my mom is part Native and part Finnish. It was based on physical appearance alone. Apparently, I look Jewish because I've had other nasty comments sent my way over the past few months. its pretty close, but the knob could claim it was a "private conversation" and be off the hook. Just curious, who was this person? young, old? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 2/29/2024 at 4:27 PM, Satchmo said: Yup, there have been a few. Now convince me how a conservative government will do no wrong. On 3/1/2024 at 8:23 AM, RupertKBD said: About a month ago. I made a request of the anti-Trudeau crowd ITT. To summarize, it was, we understand that you consider the current government the "worst ever", or "nothing but scandal after scandal".....it's been done to death... So.... Tell us what Pierre Pollievre will do to fix (or make better) the myriad of problems that Trudeau has caused. In short, tell us why we should vote for Pierre, instead of Justin, or Jag....If it's just that "He isn't Justin", that's fine. Put it out there.... So far, I haven't seen anything.....just more "Justin did this!" You are both right, and what a statement that is about the state of 'our democracy'. A real doozy of a pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 27 minutes ago, Bob Long said: its pretty close, but the knob could claim it was a "private conversation" and be off the hook. Just curious, who was this person? young, old? Seemed like around thirty. White male. Never met him before or since. I was startled by the hatred in his eyes. I said "Wow the hatred in your eyes." Unfortunately I also added, "You must be christian" That seemed to confuse him and he walked away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: Seemed like around thirty. White male. Never met him before or since. I was startled by the hatred in his eyes. I said "Wow the hatred in your eyes." Unfortunately I also added, "You must be christian" That seemed to confuse him and he walked away. nah, probably just an arts student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Bob Long said: nah, probably just an arts student. or a neo-good-ole-boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/conservatives-candidate-jamil-jivani-clinches-seat-in-ontario-riding/ar-BB1ji9MH Conservatives candidate Jamil Jivani clinches seat in Ontario riding Jivani, a lawyer and commentator, had secured over 55 per cent of the votes with nearly all polls reporting as of late Monday evening. Liberal candidate Robert Rock secured the second-most votes, and NDP candidate Chris Borgia placed third. While Durham is a Conservative stronghold, it's one of the largest margins of victory the Tories have had in the riding in the past 20 years. Jivani's success comes as the Tories continue to surge in polls ahead of the governing Liberal party, and as Conservatives push a message that promises to "axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Conservatives push a message that promises to "axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime." Axe the tax? K. Then what? As half the provinces in the nation have enacted provincially run carbon taxes that see the monies stay in province instead of going to the feds. It's kind of hollow. The rest leaves a small hole in the budget. Build the homes? So the Conservatives are now advocating socialism for the people en masse by using tax money to build houses? Actually ok with that. Or are they advocating subsidizing corporations to build homes and profit off of it? not ok with that and that's more likely judging by their history over the last 20 years. The end result is money spent subsidizing corporations and a larger hole in the budget Stop crime? Ok...how? That's been a conservative mantra forever. Support the military, stop crime. But how? RCMP can't keep numbers up at all. Military enrolment is down. Build more prisons? K...so warehouse the issue instead of fixing it. Again, this is what they have suggested and this is the Conservative MO lately. So overall not really stopping anything but spending more money and a larger hole in the budget by villainizing things that are actually not issues at all but will be afterwards which will tie up the courts costing even more $$ Fix the budget? I remember the decade prior to Trudeau when everything was good and gravy. Everyone had jobs the sun was brighter winters more mild pensions for all, no problems at all to be had anywhere ever because it wasn't Trudeau. Except with no real issues to speak of at all it was 9 ish years of straight debt and deficit even with major aspect of social programs clawed back with 3 budgets or maybe 4 (?) run through massive Omnibus bills that were voted in lockstep via Conservative majority rule without oversight or monitoring. So fixing the budget how? The other 3 promises only promise to spend and waste $$ without solving any real problems. Kind of want actual answers from the Cons some day soon instead of mroe empty promises 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Conservative Jamil Jivani wins federal byelection in Ontario riding of Durham Quote Conservative candidate Jamil Jivani handily won the federal byelection in Durham on Monday, with preliminary results from Elections Canada showing he secured more than 57 per cent of the vote share. "We set out to send Justin Trudeau a message and I think we were successful," Jivani told supporters at a restaurant in Clarington, Ont., after results came in. The win means Jivani, a lawyer and commentator, will take over the Greater Toronto Area seat once held by former Tory leader Erin O'Toole. The byelection was triggered by O'Toole's retirement from politics and subsequent resignation last year. With 100 per cent of polls reporting, preliminary results suggest that 18,610 voters cast their ballot for Jivani. Liberal candidate and runner-up Robert Rock got 7,285 votes, about 22.5 per cent of the vote share. Heh, Told my wife yesterday afternoon that It would be noticeable if the CONS got less than 60% and remarkable if they got less than 50%. With 57% I think I was bang on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Conservative Jamil Jivani wins federal byelection in Ontario riding of Durham Heh, Told my wife yesterday afternoon that It would be noticeable if the CONS got less than 60% and remarkable if they got less than 50%. With 57% I think I was bang on. Of note is the NDP polling at 10%. Libs at 22% somewhat expected. Does the NDP falloff put added pressure on their alliance with the Libs? As the junior partner they could take a hit in the next election. What really surprised me was the PPC at 4.5%, a drop from 5.1% in 2021. They held up pretty well considering the CPC surge. The CPC at 57% will be considered a solid win since O’Toole won it at 47% in 2021. Greens becoming a non factor. very light turnout. Edited March 5 by Boudrias 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: Of note is the NDP polling at 10%. Libs at 22% somewhat expected. Does the NDP falloff put added pressure on their alliance with the Libs? As the junior partner they could take a hit in the next election. What really surprised me was the PPC at 4.5%, a drop from 5.1% in 2021. They held up pretty well considering the CPC surge. The CPC at 57% will be considered a solid win since O’Toole won it at 47% in 2021. Greens becoming a non factor. It's actually weird. If I recall, historically the only real times in modern history the Cons have garnered a majority have been in the backs of strong NDP party polling. This may be an outlier but they're polling terribly and it's hard to say what that means in a general election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: It's actually weird. If I recall, historically the only real times in modern history the Cons have garnered a majority have been in the backs of strong NDP party polling. This may be an outlier but they're polling terribly and it's hard to say what that means in a general election There is time for another narrative to gain traction for Trudeau. Can’t take to much from a by-election in a strong CPC riding. The CPC stood to lose more with a poor showing. They did well in a light turnout. As a fiscal conservative I want all these parties to cost out how they will fund their platforms. Canadians at some point have to realize that politicians who say one thing on costing and do another are not worth the support. It makes no difference whether conservative or progressive. Spending beyond the economy’s ability to fund is simply a tax on all people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: Of note is the NDP polling at 10%. Libs at 22% somewhat expected. Does the NDP falloff put added pressure on their alliance with the Libs? As the junior partner they could take a hit in the next election. What really surprised me was the PPC at 4.5%, a drop from 5.1% in 2021. They held up pretty well considering the CPC surge. The CPC at 57% will be considered a solid win since O’Toole won it at 47% in 2021. Greens becoming a non factor. very light turnout. I've noticed right wingers pushing the narrative that all politicians are the same and there's no point voting. That seems to be a strategy to increase voter apathy. There needs to be an opposite push getting people to vote. little pp and co. will bring American style politics to Canada. They already have actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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