112 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wiggums said: We were already moving on as a species just fine without all the identity politics. Where is the inequality? What is an example of this? I don't think Indigenous communities were largely "moving on" just fine after the residential schools and with the government continuing to dick them around and steal their children. An example of the inequality would be Indigenous people over-represented in jails/prisons, and on the streets/without a home. I've worked with Indigenous people before and can attest that the scars run deep. These scars are generational. I've also spent time in the DTES where Indigenous people are over-represented as well. Edited March 11 by 112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, Wiggums said: We were already moving on as a species just fine without all the identity politics. Where is the inequality? What is an example of this? Well, here is an example: https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/employers-replies-racial-names Employers' Replies to Racial Names Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Ex-Calgary mayor Naheed Nenshi joins NDP leadership race to combat "immoral" UCP CALGARY — Former Calgary mayor Naheed Nenshi came out of political retirement on Monday, announcing a run for Alberta's NDP leadership to challenge what he termed an “immoral” United Conservative government. https://www.timescolonist.com/national-news/ex-calgary-mayor-naheed-nenshi-joins-ndp-leadership-race-to-combat-immoral-ucp-8428790 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, Wiggums said: We were already moving on as a species just fine without all the identity politics. Where is the inequality? What is an example of this? I'd like to know this as well. I don't see any inequality in my day-to-day life at all and I work with ALOT of minorities. As a matter of fact, the most successful people I know are women and minorities. I hang out with very few white male oppressors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Well, here is an example: https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/employers-replies-racial-names Employers' Replies to Racial Names Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. That's in the USA. What about Canada, and specifically British Columbia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, Wiggums said: We were already moving on as a species just fine without all the identity politics. Where is the inequality? What is an example of this? The pessimist in me thinks we have never really been moving along just fine as a species apart from growing in numbers though I'm not sure that's the right metric . I'd love to debate the presence of identity politics. All I'd have to know is what it means. I know (now) how Google defines it. We keep asking you how you define it but have not heard back. We still have racial inequality in this country. We still have inequality of LGBT people (as you may know). We still have (some) wage disparity for women. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 24 minutes ago, Wiggums said: We were already moving on as a species just fine without all the identity politics. Where is the inequality? What is an example of this? you're serious? I'll show you about 75 examples the moment you answer my question that has been ignored. Define identity politics in your own words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Satchmo said: The pessimist in me thinks we have never really been moving along just fine as a species apart from growing in numbers though I'm not sure that's the right metric . I'd love to debate the presence of identity politics. All I'd have to know is what it means. I know (now) how Google defines it. We keep asking you how you define it but have not heard back. We still have racial inequality in this country. We still have inequality of LGBT people (as you may know). We still have (some) wage disparity for women. Can you provide some examples of this? Some of the most successful people I know are women and minorities. I'd love to know where the inequalities are.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I'd like to know this as well. I don't see any inequality in my day-to-day life at all and I work with ALOT of minorities. As a matter of fact, the most successful people I know are women and minorities. I hang out with very few white male oppressors... You also have family dinners with numerous teachers who deal with sogi. Or dinners with people who deal with addictions. or dinners with people who deal with housing issues. Yet you always seem to have the most odd views on these things for someone who is so completely immersed with experts in the fields you speak of. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: That's in the USA. What about Canada, and specifically British Columbia? If you think that employers here are not similar to their American counterparts, you are sadly mistaken. The cities in the study were Chicago and Boston. Hardly some deep red southern town. The great replacement theory isn't just held by American racists. There are a lot of Canadians who believe it as well. You would be very likely to find someone who believes that theory if they have an F Turdope sticker on their jacked up Powerstroke Super Duty 4 x 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: you're serious? I'll show you about 75 examples the moment you answer my question that has been ignored. Define identity politics in your own words 75 examples eh...can't wait Identity politics is the government pushing social and racial issues farther than they need to be pushed. Making people think the problem is much worse than it is, turning imaginary evil vs good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: If you think that employers here are not similar to their American counterparts, you are sadly mistaken. The cities in the study were Chicago and Boston. Hardly some deep red southern town. The great replacement theory isn't just held by American racists. There are a lot of Canadians who believe it as well. You would be very likely to find someone who believes that theory if they have an F Turdope sticker on their jacked up Powerstroke Super Duty 4 x 4. So people who drive F-150's and hate Trudeau are all racists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Wiggums said: 75 examples eh...can't wait Identity politics is the government pushing social and racial issues farther than they need to be pushed. Making people think the problem is much worse than it is, turning imaginary evil vs good Again, not really a definition. Ambiguous to the point that simply talking about things like slavery and residential schools could be said to be identity politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, the destroyer of worlds said: Again, not really a definition. Ambiguous to the point that simply talking about things like slavery and residential schools could be said to be identity politics. I don't know what you want me to say. Politics involving race, gender, social background etc... identity politics, it's not that confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Wiggums said: 75 examples eh...can't wait Identity politics is the government pushing social and racial issues farther than they need to be pushed. Making people think the problem is much worse than it is, turning imaginary evil vs good Thank you. Just gonna leave this here since you're always so sincerely interested in bringing this subject up endlessly and have such a hatred for "identity politics" that in your own words are the (government pushing social and racial issues farther than they need to be pushed. Making people think the problem is much worse than it is, turning imaginary evil vs good ) https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-conservative-gender-1.6987096 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/as-conservative-premiers-talk-gender-and-kids-poilievre-s-grassroots-ask-same-of-him-1.6531449 https://www.washingtonblade.com/2023/09/16/canadas-conservatives-take-hard-turn-against-transgender-people/ https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-canadas-conservative-party-is-targeting-trans-youth https://nationalpost.com/news/conservative-convention-culture-wars-debate https://globalnews.ca/news/9974879/ottawa-protests-pierre-poilievre/ https://globalnews.ca/news/9950302/poilievre-social-issues-distraction/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/danielle-smith-1.7101595 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-minister-says-alberta-s-trans-policy-proposal-equal-to-nato-moment-for-lgbtq2s-community-1.6751597 https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2047419/pierre-poilievre-defends-alberta-premier-smith-on-transgender-policies https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/may-2019/alberta-pei-votes-say-women-politics/ Tell me more about who is pushing and promoting identity politics and how you hate it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: So people who drive F-150's and hate Trudeau are all racists? Did I say they were. Nope Said that someone who has those is likely to be. Very likely even. Not all. The racists ones are the ones who believe the great replacement theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Wiggums said: I don't know what you want me to say. Politics involving race, gender, social background etc... identity politics, it's not that confusing Just....loving that you keep highlighting this identity politics issue you hate so much and how government pushing it on people is so wrong and they only do it to divide people or distract them from real issues and how it's setting people back Just now, Warhippy said: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-conservative-gender-1.6987096 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/as-conservative-premiers-talk-gender-and-kids-poilievre-s-grassroots-ask-same-of-him-1.6531449 https://www.washingtonblade.com/2023/09/16/canadas-conservatives-take-hard-turn-against-transgender-people/ https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-canadas-conservative-party-is-targeting-trans-youth https://nationalpost.com/news/conservative-convention-culture-wars-debate https://globalnews.ca/news/9974879/ottawa-protests-pierre-poilievre/ https://globalnews.ca/news/9950302/poilievre-social-issues-distraction/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/danielle-smith-1.7101595 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-minister-says-alberta-s-trans-policy-proposal-equal-to-nato-moment-for-lgbtq2s-community-1.6751597 https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2047419/pierre-poilievre-defends-alberta-premier-smith-on-transgender-policies https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/may-2019/alberta-pei-votes-say-women-politics/ Tell me more about who is pushing and promoting identity politics and how you hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Warhippy said: Thank you. Just gonna leave this here since you're always so sincerely interested in bringing this subject up endlessly and have such a hatred for "identity politics" that in your own words are the (government pushing social and racial issues farther than they need to be pushed. Making people think the problem is much worse than it is, turning imaginary evil vs good ) https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-conservative-gender-1.6987096 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/as-conservative-premiers-talk-gender-and-kids-poilievre-s-grassroots-ask-same-of-him-1.6531449 https://www.washingtonblade.com/2023/09/16/canadas-conservatives-take-hard-turn-against-transgender-people/ https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-canadas-conservative-party-is-targeting-trans-youth https://nationalpost.com/news/conservative-convention-culture-wars-debate https://globalnews.ca/news/9974879/ottawa-protests-pierre-poilievre/ https://globalnews.ca/news/9950302/poilievre-social-issues-distraction/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/danielle-smith-1.7101595 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-minister-says-alberta-s-trans-policy-proposal-equal-to-nato-moment-for-lgbtq2s-community-1.6751597 https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2047419/pierre-poilievre-defends-alberta-premier-smith-on-transgender-policies https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/may-2019/alberta-pei-votes-say-women-politics/ Tell me more about who is pushing and promoting identity politics and how you hate it. He's on record of saying he's trying to not focus on identity politics so he can focus more on important issues like the economy. The rest is him combatting the left's identity politics which he kinda has to. Cool story though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 112 Posted March 11 Popular Post Share Posted March 11 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Can you provide some examples of this? Some of the most successful people I know are women and minorities. I'd love to know where the inequalities are.... I'm LGBT and suffered harassment for a couple of months last year from an individual who was generously using the f-slur to refer to me. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So people who drive F-150's and hate Trudeau are all racists? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Wiggums said: I don't know what you want me to say. Politics involving race, gender, social background etc... identity politics, it's not that confusing So teaching kids that minorities were and in some ways still are discriminated against is identity politics. Teaching kids that women had to fight to get the right to vote is identity politics. Etc. When we all know those things happened. When we all know that there is discrimination. How is that bad? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Wiggums said: He's on record of saying he's trying to not focus on identity politics so he can focus more on important issues like the economy. The rest is him combatting the left's identity politics which he kinda has to. Cool story though Oh so now...it's not identity politics and that's not what those dozen + links over the last 2 years of Conservative governments are doing? Pick a lane my dude. Which is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Did I say they were. Nope Said that someone who has those is likely to be. Very likely even. Not all. The racists ones are the ones who believe the great replacement theory. I'd like some statistics on this. This is one hell of a generalization that actually paints alot of people with the same brush. It's also not helpful in actually fixing any problems that we may have. This is not surprising to me however. I mean, many posters like you are basically in the US Politics thread claiming that 50% of the US population are all racists... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Warhippy said: Oh so now...it's not identity politics and that's not what those dozen + links over the last 2 years of Conservative governments are doing? Pick a lane my dude. Which is it Alright anyways, those 75 examples of inequality in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 22 minutes ago, 112 said: I don't think Indigenous communities were largely "moving on" just fine after the residential schools and with the government continuing to dick them around and steal their children. It's still very hard. Intergenerational / historical trauma. We have a massive over representation of indigenous peoples in our prison system. WE have to understand also that equality is not the same as fairness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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