Canadian Politics Thread

[RupertKBD]

1 hour ago, Chicken. said:

80/20 i’d wager unless there are a lot of closet cons that stay in the hockey sections which is quite possible

 

Well, we all know how reluctant cons are to come out of the closet....

[AriGold]

6 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Why limit your son? 

 

 

I'm going to be 100% honest when I say this is a scary sentiment and a little creepy... If you don't understand why a 5 year old shouldn't be learning about switching genders then I'm not sure there's anything else to say..

 

I'm going to step away from this thread.. I feel like I'm in the dark web..

 

[4petesake]

2 minutes ago, AriGold said:

Come on Pete, you know exactly what I mean. Stay on task...

 

OK, just clarifying that you don’t mean 100% because puberty blockers are not a bogeyman.

[Sharpshooter]

2 minutes ago, AriGold said:

I'm going to be 100% honest when I say this is a scary sentiment and a little creepy... If you don't understand why a 5 year old shouldn't be learning about switching genders then I'm not sure there's anything else to say..

 

I'm going to step away from this thread.. I feel like I'm in the dark web..

 

[Chicken.]

23 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Well, we all know how reluctant cons are to come out of the closet....

Sad but true

[Boudrias]

3 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

Sad but true

Hmmm?

[Master Mind]

44 minutes ago, AriGold said:

It's a tough line to cross for sure. I have a 5 year old who starts kindergarten in September and instead of him learning the alphabet and how to tie his shoes I have to wonder if he's learning about his body and changing his gender. Very scary thought because he's so impressionable and all you need is 1 kid to say "I'm a girl now" and then it's the cool thing to do... 

 

This happened in my kid's class. Several girls, all friends, starting identifying as boys.

 

Kids can be encouraged into something by their peers, yet there's a denial around that for this topic, it's odd.

 

I saw you're gonna step away from this thread, and given how unproductive these conversations typically are, I don't blame you.

[the destroyer of worlds]

2 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

 

This happened in my kid's class. Several girls, all friends, starting identifying as boys.

 

Kids can be encouraged into something by their peers, yet there's a denial around that for this topic, it's odd.

 

I saw you're gonna step away from this thread, and given how unproductive these conversations typically are, I don't blame you.

So did the authorities take those girls and did sex reassignment surgery the next day?

 

Did they get taken aside and get puberty blockers?

 

Was this all done without parental consent?

 

You realize why I'm asking those questions right??   Right?

[Warhippy]

41 minutes ago, AriGold said:

I'm going to step away from this thread.. I feel like I'm in the dark web..

 

That's fair and fair enough mate.  

 

One parent to another.  Just listen to your boy and if you ever feel like something is bothering them, go for a drive and grab some ice cream.  Everyone opens up after a scoop or two.

[4petesake]

12 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

 

I saw you're gonna step away from this thread, and given how unproductive these conversations typically are, I don't blame you.

 

 

Stepped away before a conversation even started so being productive was never a possibility.

 

[Master Mind]

8 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

So did the authorities take those girls and did sex reassignment surgery the next day?

 

Did they get taken aside and get puberty blockers?

 

Was this all done without parental consent?

 

You realize why I'm asking those questions right??   Right?

 

If you have a point to make, just make it. I don't like my time being wasted with silly questions.

[Elias Pettersson]

10 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

So did the authorities take those girls and did sex reassignment surgery the next day?

 

Did they get taken aside and get puberty blockers?

 

Was this all done without parental consent?

 

You realize why I'm asking those questions right??   Right?

Why are you so angry?  Why not have a normal debate with Mastermind void of all of the emotion and anger?  It might be more productive. But sadly it won’t be. 

[King Heffy]

11 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

So did the authorities take those girls and did sex reassignment surgery the next day?

 

Did they get taken aside and get puberty blockers?

 

Was this all done without parental consent?

 

You realize why I'm asking those questions right??   Right?

For all we know, they did so collectively so their friend didn't feel alone, similar to this:

 

[the destroyer of worlds]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Why are you so angry?  Why not have a normal debate with Mastermind void of all of the emotion and anger?  It might be more productive. But sadly it won’t be. 

What anger? 

[the destroyer of worlds]

3 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

 

If you have a point to make, just make it. I don't like my time being wasted with silly questions.

The point is that these kids saying they're trans doesn't make them trans.   And no one in a position of authority is taking them in a back room giving them drugs or signing them up for a sex change.

 

The point is that the fear mongering folks going on and on about parents rights have no idea what is actually happening.  And yes, those questions do make a point to the folks posting about parents rights. 

[Master Mind]

7 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

The point is that these kids saying they're trans doesn't make them trans.   And no one in a position of authority is taking them in a back room giving them drugs or signing them up for a sex change.

 

The point is that the fear mongering folks going on and on about parents rights have no idea what is actually happening.  And yes, those questions do make a point to the folks posting about parents rights. 

 

We agree on the first part. Although many people would disagree, and would also disagree that there can be a social element to it. That's what I was addressing.

[Sharpshooter]

42 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

 

This happened in my kid's class. Several girls, all friends, starting identifying as boys.

 

Kids can be encouraged into something by their peers, yet there's a denial around that for this topic, it's odd.

 

I saw you're gonna step away from this thread, and given how unproductive these conversations typically are, I don't blame you.

Were you perhaps being obtuse to “several girls” making a statement or being counter-culture? Or maybe just Billie Eilish copycats?  I’m being somewhat facetious. 
 

Do you really think/believe an individual can be talked into deep-seeded biological attraction because ‘friends’? And then continue that throughout their lives because of their teenage ‘friends’. 
 

Give your head a shake. I know I’m shaking mine at your illogic. 
 

Would you be less of a loving dad or the best dad you could be if your daughter wasn’t the one that marries the highschool quarterback, has 2.3 kids, a white picket fence in the suburbs, while being a strong independent, small business owner, and a high powered executive who drinks scotch with the fellas but rides side saddle? 
 

Come on MM. Your thought process is so yesteryear, like 1950’s. I would say “grow up”, but you actually need to ‘catch up’. The world is passing you and your mentality by. 

 

 

[Sharpshooter]

Lol. ‘Confused’. 
 

As expected. 

[Master Mind]

2 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Were you perhaps being obtuse to “several girls” making a statement or being counter-culture? Or maybe just Billie Eilish copycats?  I’m being somewhat facetious. 
 

Do you really think/believe an individual can be talked into deep-seeded biological attraction because ‘friends’? And then continue that throughout their lives because of their teenage ‘friends’. 
 

Give your head a shake. I know I’m shaking mine at your illogic. 
 

Would you be less of a loving dad or the best dad you could be of your daughter wasn’t the one that marries the highschool quarterback, has 2.3 kids, a white picket fence in the suburbs, while being a strong independent, small business owner, and a high powered executive who drinks scotch with the fellas but rides side saddle? 
 

Come on MM. Your thought process is so yesteryear, like 1950’s. I would say “grow up”, but you actually need to ‘catch up’. The world is passing you and your mentality by. 
 

 

 

You jumped to several conclusions here for someone who has had no communication with the people I'm referencing.

 

Brutal take SS.

[Master Mind]

This is a prime example why Arigold stepped away, and why others will too.

[Sharpshooter]

Just now, Master Mind said:

 

You jumped to several conclusions here for someone who has had no communication with the people I'm referencing.

 

Brutal take SS.

I may have gotten the gender of your child wrong, Mea Culpa. 
 

However, what other jumps, based with regard to your story, did I make? 
 

 

[Sharpshooter]

2 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

This is a prime example why Arigold stepped away, and why others will too.

Because you both make statements and get pushback on them? 

[King Heffy]

Let's phrase this a different way for the "parental rights" crew: If you had a son who turned out to be transgender, would you prefer to have a relationship similar to Dwayne Wade with his daughter, or one similar to Elon Musk with his estranged child?

[Miss Korea]

58 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Never feel less than here brother. 
 

Our diversity, here, is ‘our’ strength. 
 

I assure you that you have fellow Members of every age, colour, nationality, time zone, team affiliation, gender, gender identity, and everything in between. 
 

And all are equal and welcome and respected. 
 

Expect for @Alflives, classification of  one. 

 

I don't feel any less than I did when I lived in Atlantic Canada.  Not a bastion of Asians there.  But I do feel different from the majority of posters here in this thread, and that's fine.  I get it.  As for identity politics, we've always had some semblance of that in society.  As an example, most guys here are either boomers or gen X.  That's a real difference that's always existed between people.  How the boomers grew up and how my generation is gonna have obvious differences.  Is it wrong to identify with that?  So if I grew up in a distinctly Asian Canadian experience, and I choose to identify with that, how is that sowing division?

 

The biggest headway I've seen is obviously in the arts.  There's quite a lot more literature and film/shows out there highlighting not just the Asian immigrant experience, but also a Korean-Canadian one, which does have its own distinctions.  But sure, even if that book/film might resonate with me more, it's not like some white guy's gonna read it and think, "Hey, this has nothing to do with most Canadians" or "Hey, I feel personally attacked as a white man because of this movie".  That really isn't the point of identity politics.  Here's another example: if I can identify with Squidward in a TV show, you can identify with someone who isn't white.  And if there are some people that do feel oppressed by white male society, let their voices be heard too.  

 

I'm not like most people here.  I'm neither Korean nor am I strictly Canadian.  I fall somewhere in between, and I shouldn't have to conform to some basic kind of Tim Hortons/Molson beer identity either.  It's just like Irish Canadians or Ukrainian Canadians.  The only difference is that my appearance is a dead giveaway.  And sure, I get the odd "No really, where are you (ie. your parents) from".  Then I'll just say "Was my answer not good enough?"  I'll openly embrace my identity with people but if people are going to double down like that, whatever.

 

As a final point, I think a lot of people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what identity politics entail, and I'm sure part of that has to do with the fact that most folks here are older and white.  And that's fine - I'm not blaming anyone here for anything.  Don't confuse DIVERSITY for DIVISION.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, AriGold said:

It's a tough line to cross for sure. I have a 5 year old who starts kindergarten in September and instead of him learning the alphabet and how to tie his shoes I have to wonder if he's learning about his body and changing his gender. Very scary thought because he's so impressionable and all you need is 1 kid to say "I'm a girl now" and then it's the cool thing to do... 

 

My kids learn math, art, science, English, a bit of local first Nations culture and language, drama, P.E. etc and about treating EVERYONE fairly and kindly. All stuff we started teaching them at home. Does that really sound that scary?