Bob Long Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Just now, bolt said: The news of this new corruption scandal is a day old. Why do you get so offended every time I bring up current news? Are you on Liberal payroll or something? I am, they pay me so much you'd be so jealous. What news? a "perception" issue that may not be an issue? that you then try to spin into an old useless trope? fun times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Just now, Bob Long said: I am, they pay me so much you'd be so jealous. What news? a "perception" issue that may not be an issue? that you then try to spin into an old useless trope? fun times. Maybe your right its OK Liberal engage in mass corruption scandals essentially stealing taxpayer money because the CPC had a small one 5 years ago. Shouldn't be allowed to talk about liberal corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, bolt said: Maybe your right its OK Liberal engage in mass corruption scandals essentially stealing taxpayer money because the CPC had a small one 5 years ago. Shouldn't be allowed to talk about liberal corruption. maybe you should bring forward and actual plan that PP is suggesting. You know, something real we can talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Anyone know what this "mass corruption" is buddy is talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: maybe you should bring forward and actual plan that PP is suggesting. You know, something real we can talk about. Vs the real plan of Justin Trudeau bankrupting Canadians 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 5 minutes ago, bolt said: Vs the real plan of Justin Trudeau bankrupting Canadians Yawn. Anything of substance to say today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 19 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Anyone know what this "mass corruption" is buddy is talking about? Somebody stole the collection plate in church? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 11 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Somebody stole the collection plate in church? just curious if this is some new alt-right thing, is there "missing money" or some other such BS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: all the leaders have inflated ego's. Skippy has a massive one for a guy who really hasn't been responsible for much, or really has any notable accomplishment other than being the last Harper cabinet minister still standing after 3 failed attempts to beat Trudeau. Trudeau has become 'the story'. I think every leader has a shelf life and ultimately becomes a distraction. When that happens, its time to go. It is time. Something the majority of the country can agree on.. but he probably won't step aside, right ? What does that say about him.. not Skip If he does, I will be impressed and I think many people would view his legacy slightly more positively (besides of course the fuck trudeau sticker crowd) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 47 minutes ago, bolt said: Tens of millions of dollars of corruption scandals involving Liberal enriching themselves. Do you also equate an elephant to a mouse? Tell me about Gazebos good sir. Or G8 G 20 spending. Or the CNOOC agreement. Wheat board sale? GM bailout? Multiple books for fighter procurement. Pierre's being a housing minister even though he was never a housing minister (his claims not mine) and spending over $300-$400 million to build less than 50 units Every single thing you can bring up is an excess or evil the Conservatives commited a mere 9 years ago after a decade in power. I stated then and I'll state it again. With 2 parties in Canada that have held power since inception, every time we vote one out because of it we vote the other one I and excuse their doing the exact same things. It's why I keep calling the electorate idiots. Pretending that Poiliverre is somehow a regular blue collar guy who "gets it" while he wasted a decade + defending the EXACT same excesses he and yourself blame the liberals of committing is the height of stupidity And no, Singh is not a viable option. We need a true Small L Small C option in our nation for the moderates 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 47 minutes ago, bolt said: Let me guess all the problems canada is facing is harpers fault As major projects and spending or closures can take years to affect people and years after corrections it fixes are made. Yes. There is absolutely issues existing today caused by gaffes done under Harper. It would be foolish to claim otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 41 minutes ago, bolt said: Vs the real plan of Justin Trudeau bankrupting Canadians Remind us again what the national debt is/was prior to Nov 2015. Then exactly how much was spent from 2020-2022. Remove 80% of what was spent in the years of 2020-2022 via ALL PARTY CONSENT Then compare the numbers. How's it look now? This is actually a really interesting project for people. I'd like to see what you come up with when you compare Harper's contribution and Trudeaus contribution to the national debt less the covid spending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 47 minutes ago, bolt said: Maybe your right its OK Liberal engage in mass corruption scandals essentially stealing taxpayer money because the CPC had a small one 5 years ago. Shouldn't be allowed to talk about liberal corruption. CPC had a small corruption? Ok story time. My apologies as I'm on my phone can't hide behind a spoiler window. I also know the tyee is incredibly biased but these are in fact noted and recognized scandals or issues PMO Tied to Senate Hush Money Scandal An RCMP affidavit reported widespread involvement by PMO staffers in a secret payment to Senator Mike Duffy to try and make a political problem go away. The Senate expenses scandal brought on allegations of a cover-up, a breach of the public trust, and a whitewashing of a Senate report. The PMO was found to have hand in the altering of a damning Deloitte audit. Harper Found in Contempt of Parliament For refusing to disclose information on the costing of programs to Parliament, which Parliament was entitled to receive, the Harper government became the first in Canadian history to be found in contempt of Parliament. Against Court Order, Refusal to Share Budget Info Even though it lost a court case and was ordered to comply, the Harper government nevertheless refused to share 170 times reasons and impacts for cuts with Canada’s independent budget watchdog, mocking Parliament’s right to control the public purse. Conservative Cabinet Staffers Granted Immunity from Testimony A PMO edict absolved political staffers from ever having to testify before parliamentary committees. Conservatives Falsify Reports and Documents Among documents deliberately altered in the writing or the quoting by the government: CIDA document by Bev Oda’s office on Kairos; the Senate Committee Report on the Duffy affair; a report by former auditor-general Sheila Fraser on financial management. Repeated Duplicity in Afghan Detainees Controversy Among the abuses: Parliament was misled and denied documents. An inquiry was shut down. Tories attempted to discredit diplomat Richard Colvin whose testimony diverted from the government’s line. Repeated Duplicity on Costing of F-35 Fighter Jets An auditor-general’s report revealed serial deceptive practices used by the Conservatives in misleading the public and Parliament on the projected cost of the fighter jets. Harper Minister Lies, Blames Statistics Canada for Killing Long Form Census Under fire for Conservatives killing the long form census, Industry Minister Tony Clement falsely stated that StatsCan backed the idea and assured the voluntary substitute would yield valid statistical data. Neither was true, outraged StatsCan sources confirmed. Conservative MP Admits He Lied to Parliament As opposition members claimed the Harper government was out to rig election rules in its favour, Conservative MP Brad Butt rose in the House of Commons to say why the bill was needed -- all the voter fraud he had personally witnessed. Weeks later he rose again to say his statements were false. Delivering his strained apology, he failed to explain why he lied in the first place. Conservative House Leader Admits to Mockery of Question Period Criticized far and wide for farcical answers in Question Period, Paul Calandra, parliamentary secretary to Harper, made a tearful apology for abuse of the democratic process.* Harper Maligns the Supreme Court Chief Justice The Prime Minister took the unprecedented step of alleging inappropriate conduct by Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin. Facts undermined the credibility of the PM’s position. Conservatives Engage in Abuse of Process with Omnibus Bills Harper’s party pushed legislation through Parliament via omnibus bills, the scale of which Parliament had never seen. Such bills are widely condemned as an abuse of the democratic process, because they blend and bury so many controversial laws within one dense package. Harper himself once railed against them, and his born again love for them made his own MPs queasy. Referencing such bills, former auditor-general Sheila Fraser said that “Parliament has become so undermined that it is almost unable to do the job that people expect of it.” Harperites Deliberately Screw up and Stymie Committee System Conservatives used tactics such as barring witnesses, closure, time limitations, and in camera sessions to an extent rarely, if ever, witnessed in Canada. In their early days in power, top Conservatives prepared a handbook instructing committee chairpersons how to obstruct proceedings. Harper’s Own MPs Protest Muzzling In a caucus known for his tight discipline, in 2014 some members finally rose up to contest being censored at Question Period by the Prime Minister’s Office. Former Conservative backbencher Brent Rathgeber turned independent and published a book, Irresponsible Government, decrying anti-democratic practices. Conservative Bill Rewrites History to Protect Mounties from Potential Criminal Charges To protect the RCMP, the government retroactively made an old bill come into force before it was passed by Parliament. Harper Minister Caught in Advertising Scam with Public Funds The Globe and Mail revealed that Harper’s chosen Minister for Democratic Reform Pierre Poilievre commissioned a team of public servants for overtime work on a Sunday to film him glad-handing constituents. The vanity video on the taxpayer dime was to promote the government’s benefits for families. Corrupt Conservative Cronies The Senate scandal is just the latest eruption of crony corruption in Harperite ranks. Take Bruce Carson. He was a convicted fraudster before Harper made him a key advisor in the PMO. There, Carson was lobbied for money for a new University of Calgary eco-think tank. He then left the PMO to run the same think tank, converting it to an oil industry booster with a $15-million grant from the Harper government. The complex saga added one more criminal charge to others Carson faces for allegedly illegally working his connections with the Harper government. Access to Information System Impeded Many new roadblocks have been put up by the Harper Conservatives. Former Information Commissioner Robert Marleau concluded that having obtained absolute power, the prime minister “has absolutely abused that power to the maximum.” The Silencing of the Public Service The PMO took an unprecedented step in instituting a system wherein the bureaucracy has all its communications vetted by the political nerve centre. The policy contribution role of the public service is significantly reduced. Complaints from insiders allege that the Privy Council office has become increasingly politicized. Loyalty Oaths Imposed on Public Servants Archivists and librarians were made to swear strict oaths of allegiance and were hit with restrictions on freedom of speech that editorialists of the right and left described as chilling. Tyee logo SUPPORT OPINION Stephen Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: More Evidence Canada’s most ethically corrupt government? You be the judge. Second of two. David Beers and Tyee Staff and Contributors 6 Aug 2015TheTyee.ca David Beers is founding editor of The Tyee. He was assisted in compiling and writing this list by friends of The Tyee. SHARE: COVER.HarperBadTaste.610.jpg Stephen Harper became the first prime minister in Canada’s history found in contempt of Parliament. His government refused numerous requests by members for key budget information. Photo: Ben Stansall, Associated Press. [Editor’s note: Since this was published, citizens helped The Tyee compile a bigger, more up to date list. Read it here.] The previously published first half of this omnibus of Stephen Harper’s sins listed 31 instances of laws broken and ethics pummeled. Some happened during elections. Others were in relentless service of policing and polishing the Harper “brand.” image atom Stephen Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence READ MORE Today we focus on how Harper has willfully misgoverned -- 28 ways the PM and his team have lied, flouted rules and stymied democracy to achieve political and ideological ends. Please help us out. As you read, if any abuses we’ve forgotten come to mind, either make a note in the comments thread after this piece or send us an email at editor@thetyee.ca, subject line Harper Abuse List. We will fold what we get into a final, single version as a handy reference for the campaign. That runs Monday. Thanks again to a few friends of The Tyee who researched and helped with this list. PMO Tied to Senate Hush Money Scandal An RCMP affidavit reported widespread involvement by PMO staffers in a secret payment to Senator Mike Duffy to try and make a political problem go away. The Senate expenses scandal brought on allegations of a cover-up, a breach of the public trust, and a whitewashing of a Senate report. The PMO was found to have hand in the altering of a damning Deloitte audit. Harper Found in Contempt of Parliament For refusing to disclose information on the costing of programs to Parliament, which Parliament was entitled to receive, the Harper government became the first in Canadian history to be found in contempt of Parliament. Against Court Order, Refusal to Share Budget Info Even though it lost a court case and was ordered to comply, the Harper government nevertheless refused to share 170 times reasons and impacts for cuts with Canada’s independent budget watchdog, mocking Parliament’s right to control the public purse. Conservative Cabinet Staffers Granted Immunity from Testimony A PMO edict absolved political staffers from ever having to testify before parliamentary committees. Conservatives Falsify Reports and Documents Among documents deliberately altered in the writing or the quoting by the government: CIDA document by Bev Oda’s office on Kairos; the Senate Committee Report on the Duffy affair; a report by former auditor-general Sheila Fraser on financial management. Repeated Duplicity in Afghan Detainees Controversy Among the abuses: Parliament was misled and denied documents. An inquiry was shut down. Tories attempted to discredit diplomat Richard Colvin whose testimony diverted from the government’s line. Repeated Duplicity on Costing of F-35 Fighter Jets An auditor-general’s report revealed serial deceptive practices used by the Conservatives in misleading the public and Parliament on the projected cost of the fighter jets. Harper Minister Lies, Blames Statistics Canada for Killing Long Form Census Under fire for Conservatives killing the long form census, Industry Minister Tony Clement falsely stated that StatsCan backed the idea and assured the voluntary substitute would yield valid statistical data. Neither was true, outraged StatsCan sources confirmed. Conservative MP Admits He Lied to Parliament As opposition members claimed the Harper government was out to rig election rules in its favour, Conservative MP Brad Butt rose in the House of Commons to say why the bill was needed -- all the voter fraud he had personally witnessed. Weeks later he rose again to say his statements were false. Delivering his strained apology, he failed to explain why he lied in the first place. Conservative House Leader Admits to Mockery of Question Period Criticized far and wide for farcical answers in Question Period, Paul Calandra, parliamentary secretary to Harper, made a tearful apology for abuse of the democratic process.* Harper Maligns the Supreme Court Chief Justice The Prime Minister took the unprecedented step of alleging inappropriate conduct by Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin. Facts undermined the credibility of the PM’s position. Conservatives Engage in Abuse of Process with Omnibus Bills Harper’s party pushed legislation through Parliament via omnibus bills, the scale of which Parliament had never seen. Such bills are widely condemned as an abuse of the democratic process, because they blend and bury so many controversial laws within one dense package. Harper himself once railed against them, and his born again love for them made his own MPs queasy. Referencing such bills, former auditor-general Sheila Fraser said that “Parliament has become so undermined that it is almost unable to do the job that people expect of it.” image atom ‘Parliament has become so undermined that it is almost unable to do the job that people expect of it.’ Former auditor-general Sheila Fraser on Harper’s omnibus bills. Harperites Deliberately Screw up and Stymie Committee System Conservatives used tactics such as barring witnesses, closure, time limitations, and in camera sessions to an extent rarely, if ever, witnessed in Canada. In their early days in power, top Conservatives prepared a handbook instructing committee chairpersons how to obstruct proceedings. Harper’s Own MPs Protest Muzzling In a caucus known for his tight discipline, in 2014 some members finally rose up to contest being censored at Question Period by the Prime Minister’s Office. Former Conservative backbencher Brent Rathgeber turned independent and published a book, Irresponsible Government, decrying anti-democratic practices. Conservative Bill Rewrites History to Protect Mounties from Potential Criminal Charges To protect the RCMP, the government retroactively made an old bill come into force before it was passed by Parliament. Harper Minister Caught in Advertising Scam with Public Funds The Globe and Mail revealed that Harper’s chosen Minister for Democratic Reform Pierre Poilievre commissioned a team of public servants for overtime work on a Sunday to film him glad-handing constituents. The vanity video on the taxpayer dime was to promote the government’s benefits for families. Corrupt Conservative Cronies The Senate scandal is just the latest eruption of crony corruption in Harperite ranks. Take Bruce Carson. He was a convicted fraudster before Harper made him a key advisor in the PMO. There, Carson was lobbied for money for a new University of Calgary eco-think tank. He then left the PMO to run the same think tank, converting it to an oil industry booster with a $15-million grant from the Harper government. The complex saga added one more criminal charge to others Carson faces for allegedly illegally working his connections with the Harper government. Access to Information System Impeded Many new roadblocks have been put up by the Harper Conservatives. Former Information Commissioner Robert Marleau concluded that having obtained absolute power, the prime minister “has absolutely abused that power to the maximum.” The Silencing of the Public Service The PMO took an unprecedented step in instituting a system wherein the bureaucracy has all its communications vetted by the political nerve centre. The policy contribution role of the public service is significantly reduced. Complaints from insiders allege that the Privy Council office has become increasingly politicized. Loyalty Oaths Imposed on Public Servants Archivists and librarians were made to swear strict oaths of allegiance and were hit with restrictions on freedom of speech that editorialists of the right and left described as chilling. image atom Watchdog lapdog: Integrity Commissioner Christiane Ouimet sat on more than 200 whistleblower files before quitting. Her style? ‘Gross mismanagement’ concluded the auditor general. Conservatives Block Accreditation for Opposition MPs In another example of partisanship taken to new heights, the PMO blocked opposition members from being accredited for international environment conferences and from visiting military bases. Tactic Borrowed from North Korea’s Dear Leader Ostensibly neutral public servants were used as stooges, falsely posing as new citizens in a staged Citizenship Renewal public relations exercise by the Immigration Department. Media critics had a field day comparing the charade to practices undertaken by North Korean dictators. Clampdown on Freedom of Speech of Diplomatic Corps Ottawa’s diplomats must get all communications approved from Conservative political operatives. Under Harper, the country’s ambassadors are hardly heard from any more. In a recent speech, former United Nations ambassador Stephen Lewis said our political culture under the Conservatives has descended into “a nadir of indignity.” Marine Science Libraries Decimated The Harper government’s downsizing of federal libraries included sudden closing of seven world famous Department of Fisheries and Oceans archives. A leaked memo revealed the destruction and consolidation would save less than half a million dollars. Scientist patrons of the libraries, who witnessed chaotic chucking of rare literature, called it a “book burning” with no logical purpose other than to restrict environmental information. The Harper government claimed vital works would be digitally preserved, but never provided a plan or cost for doing so, nor any proof it had happened. No scientists interviewed by The Tyee believed digitizing would or could replace what was lost. Harper Government Denies Khadr Basic Rights Defying court rulings, the Conservative government refused to accord Omar Khadr basic rights such as access to media. Editorialists of right and left persuasion described the move as unbefitting a democratic government. Illegitimate Prorogation of Parliament, Twice Prorogations are a legitimate procedure that can be abused depending on motivations. The Harper government provoked 60 protests across Canada and beyond its borders in 2010 after shutting the legislature’s doors to escape condemnation on the Afghan detainees’ file. It was the second prorogation in a year’s period. Undue Interference with Independent Agencies Command and control system was extended to meddling in bodies like National Energy Board and CRTC whose arms-length autonomy is significantly reduced. A special target was the Parliamentary Budget Office, which was hit with condemnations and budget cuts for its critical reports. Lapdogs Appointed as Watchdogs The most controversial was the case of former Integrity Commissioner Christiane Ouimet. Her office reviewed more than 200 whistleblowing cases. Disciplinary action followed on none of them. Ouimet’s own angry staffers blew the whistle on their boss. The auditor general found Ouimet intimidated her employees, took “retaliatory action” against them and may have breached their privacy, all part of the Harper appointee’s “gross mismanagement.” Ouimet was paid more than $500,000 to leave her post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) Lol I love the whitewashing of corrupt contracts given to liberals insiders. There is no excuse for stealing taxpayer money. Hey warhippy can you waste your time this morning on the multitude of terrible contracts given out by the Liberals in the last few years. Ie. Arrivescam, foreign affairs and other consulting contracts Edited May 3 by bolt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 5 minutes ago, bolt said: Lol I love the whitewashing of corrupt contracts given to liberals insiders. There is no excuse for stealing taxpayer money. Hey warhippy can you waste your time this morning on the multitude of terrible contracts given in the last few years. Ie. Arrivescam, foreign affairs and other consulting contracts Again, name one federal government in Canada that didn't have those issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 27 minutes ago, Chicken. said: It is time. Something the majority of the country can agree on.. but he probably won't step aside, right ? What does that say about him.. not Skip Oct 2025 is a long way off, politically. 27 minutes ago, Chicken. said: If he does, I will be impressed and I think many people would view his legacy slightly more positively (besides of course the fuck trudeau sticker crowd) Maybe. Certainly glad he was in power during covid vs PP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 16 minutes ago, bolt said: Lol I love the whitewashing of corrupt contracts given to liberals insiders. There is no excuse for stealing taxpayer money. Hey warhippy can you waste your time this morning on the multitude of terrible contracts given out by the Liberals in the last few years. Ie. Arrivescam, foreign affairs and other consulting contracts I don't need to you have them memorized. But, you are also insinuating that I am somehow okay with it. Somehow okay with it based on some level of party preference or partisanship. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm just highlighting the fact that the guy who wants to be our prime minister was a minister of power and significance while his party committed some serious issues as well. It's what people like yourself seem to forget. This doesn't make it better this doesn't give anyone an excuse or green light. I'm merely highlighting how they are absolutely no different from each other This also highlights and hammers home my condemnation of the electorate as a whole for being idiots. Anyone who genuinely believes that replacing sock boy with angry sock boy is going to somehow lead to a better quality of life for them, is an idiot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I don't need to you have them memorized. But, you are also insinuating that I am somehow okay with it. Somehow okay with it based on some level of party preference or partisanship. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm just highlighting the fact that the guy who wants to be our prime minister was a minister of power and significance while his party committed some serious issues as well. It's what people like yourself seem to forget. This doesn't make it better this doesn't give anyone an excuse or green light. I'm merely highlighting how they are absolutely no different from each other This also highlights and hammers home my condemnation of the electorate as a whole for being idiots. Anyone who genuinely believes that replacing sock boy with angry sock boy is going to somehow lead to a better quality of life for them, is an idiot So we voted out the corrupt consersrrvative party and vote out the scandalous and corrupt liberal party. They haven't noticed actions have consequences. Although trudeau is appearing he is the angrier sock boy with his recent outbursts. Edited May 3 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johngould21 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 A guy on fb posted a dis of Trudeau, claiming he’s the reason we pay high prices for gasoline. I checked prices in Vancouver in April, 2008. We were paying 161.9 at that time. Wasn’t that during Harper’s years of terror? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, bolt said: Vs the real plan of Justin Trudeau bankrupting Canadians What’s ludicrous statement, my net worth has continued its steady climb over the last five years. If you are willing to put the work in there are plenty of opportunities to make money. Typical far right whinging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: just curious if this is some new alt-right thing, is there "missing money" or some other such BS? I think so. "Incompetence" is being conflated with "Corruption" from the sound of it. ArriveCan, etc..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, bolt said: So we voted out the corrupt consersrrvative party and vote out the scandalous and corrupt liberal party. They haven't noticed actions have consequences. Although trudeau is appearing he is the angrier sock boy with his recent outbursts. And will you be as vociferous against the conservatives when they go back to doing what they were doing before they got voted out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 @Warhippy Kudos my friend for taking the time to write that magnum opus.... I doubt your target audience will read it, but that doesn't diminish the effort. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: My favorite part of this statement. From that individual at least, is that they keep using the word corrupt. But they are supporting or at least accepting the potential leadership of a guy who has never had a job but who is somehow worth over 10 plus million dollars But that none of my business 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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