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1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

Some of the culture war stuff is pretty bad, surely you'd agree there.

Of course. Both sides are guilty of it regardless of who we want to say does it more.

 

But what makes his statement ok? Designating an entire political parties voting base as mentally unwell is a pretty wild claim to make

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10 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Some of the culture war stuff is pretty bad, surely you'd agree there.

It mirrors trumps followers 

 

Some are so deep into it they no longer are capable of rational beliefs ( the term radicalized comes to mind )

 

My point is simply that there are some individuals that involvement in such things as the f truduea group is feeding into existing issues and not in a healthy way. 

Call it a cult , call it what ever one wants .... It's gone far beyond just politics and for them actually defines who they are , their beliefs and truths

PP should tone it down.... It's like isn't truduea bad enough that he could find actual truths to use ?

 

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3 minutes ago, Sapper said:

It mirrors trumps followers 

 

Some are so deep into it they no longer are capable of rational beliefs ( the term radicalized comes to mind )

 

My point is simply that there are some individuals that involvement in such things as the f truduea group is feeding into existing issues and not in a healthy way. 

Call it a cult , call it what ever one wants .... It's gone far beyond just politics and for them actually defines who they are , their beliefs and truths

PP should tone it down.... It's like isn't truduea bad enough that he could find actual truths to use ?

 

That's some irony there... You want to talk about radicalized you just accused an entire voting base of being mentally unwell and conspiracy theorists

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11 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Of course. Both sides are guilty of it regardless of who we want to say does it more.

 

But what makes his statement ok? Designating an entire political parties voting base as mentally unwell is a pretty wild claim to make

I didn't .. I said conservatism .... 

 

The modern conservatism is on the extremes and needs to pull back

 

There are millions of conservative supporters that would never fly the f Truduea flag or participate in the bizzare conspiracy movement gripping PP's loudest supporters.

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2 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Talk about irony... You are sooo radicalized you just accused an entire voting base of being mentally unwell and conspiracy theorists

Nice try ... Your clearly not able to seperate reality from opinion so no point debating someone who isn't capable of acknowledging that the fringe group is starting to move from reality and .... That's a problem 

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Nice try ... Your clearly not able to seperate reality from opinion so no point debating someone who isn't capable of acknowledging that the fringe group is starting to move from reality and .... That's a problem 

Then acknowledge the "fringe" group instead of saying basically anyone who voted conservative is mentally unwell or a conspiracy theorist

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The two-bedroom average rent
in new and existing structures in
Canada’s 35 major centres was $949
in April 2015.


In 2023?  $1930.


https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf
 

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx


Well done Trudeau...well done.  
 

Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015?


 

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2 minutes ago, Heretic said:

The two-bedroom average rent
in new and existing structures in
Canada’s 35 major centres was $949
in April 2015.


In 2023?  $1930.


https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf
 

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx


Well done Trudeau...well done.  
 

Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015?


 

Yes... Yes he did. As you can imagine, that's gone spectacularaly and of course it's not his fault. He just made the promise 🤷

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42 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Of course. Both sides are guilty of it regardless of who we want to say does it more.

 

But what makes his statement ok? Designating an entire political parties voting base as mentally unwell is a pretty wild claim to make

 

PPC is trying hard to live up to that. 

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10 minutes ago, Heretic said:

The two-bedroom average rent
in new and existing structures in
Canada’s 35 major centres was $949
in April 2015.


In 2023?  $1930.


https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf
 

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx


Well done Trudeau...well done.  
 

Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015?


 

 

why are you blaming. the feds, when rent control is the jurisdiction of the provinces and municipalities?

 

And no I'm not deflecting, this is just a legal reality. 

 

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1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

why are you blaming. the feds, when rent control is the jurisdiction of the provinces and municipalities?

 

And no I'm not deflecting, this is just a legal reality. 

 

Why is he making promises he can't keep? Either he's a liar then or purposely misleading the voters

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Just now, Ricky Ravioli said:

Why is he making promises he can't keep? Either he's a liar then or purposely misleading the voters

 

because he's a politician? 

 

seriously tho, yes he did drop the ball not bringing in more housing projects earlier, there's no doubt about that. You can put some of it on covid, but not all.

 

But they are doing it now.

 

The equity party was something no one wanted to mess with, no one. Now we're paying for it. 

 

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1 minute ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Why is he making promises he can't keep? Either he's a liar then or purposely misleading the voters

Option 3 incompetent on the issue

 

The feds have some control ... Even PP is adding his take on it and his goal ( not much on details ,)

 

The rental problem although worse in a few cities is a Canada wide problem impacting equally all provinces

 

Many of the items driving the cost are fed issues that provinces struggle to deal with ... Immigration policies and federal anti worker legislation are just ,2 items that add to the problem

 

But the who builds what and where and the building codes are for the most part the sole jurisdiction of province

 

PP may have some ideas to treat the cause but like truduea won't be able to simply legislate it away 

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18 minutes ago, Heretic said:

The two-bedroom average rent
in new and existing structures in
Canada’s 35 major centres was $949
in April 2015.


In 2023?  $1930.


https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf
 

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx


Well done Trudeau...well done.  
 

Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015?


 

That plot of land that surrounds my home has doubled in that time as well. There's no more land to build on, or very little so what would you expect?

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4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Is anyone talking about electoral reform these days?

 

this was, and still is, a big disappointment for me.

 

Trudeau at the least needed to take this to a referendum. If voters said no after that, so be it.

 

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

That was the biggest broken promise that JT did for this voter.

So, I didn't vote for him again.

 

I put a bit of this on the NDP as well, they were unwilling to consider ranked ballot, had they done that we'd have got this ball rolling. I was hoping Jag would revisit that, but they must figure its a loser for them somehow.

 

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Happy with what the NDP have achieved. They took some power and got some things done. Not bad when they are a party that will never get a true shake in this binary populace. 

 

this is by far the most the NDP has ever accomplished.

 

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Part of the problem with our electoral system is the party with the most seats if it's a majority gets absolute power 

 

Im not a fan of the USA system but at least the President doesn't get absolute power as there are checks and balances in place with the house and Senate that makes sure all voices are heard ( in theory ,)

 

Canada desperately needs proportional representation. It would leave is with almost always having minority governments.which I feel give the best governments we have had. Heck I didn't even hate Harper in his minority governments ( didn't like but didn't hate it )

 

It's extremely rare in Canada for one party to have 50 percent plus of all votes in the country. That leaves most elections providing Prime Ministers not voted for by the majority of Canadians.  This in a country with 4 consistent ranking federal parties ....causing alot of the divisions.we see currently 

 

First past the post only truly works if there is only ever 2 choices to vote for

 

 

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2 hours ago, Sapper said:

Kidding aside ( and they make laughing at them just too easy )... Im really starting to feel that conservatism should be tagged with a mental health warning ⚠️ 

 

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/#:~:text=However%2C the general pattern is,other forms of psychic distress.

 

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Its a study from the States but seems you statement is probably not correct. This would make sense are the Liberal government would be more generous with social programs including mental health. The far left and far right are definitely both pretty delusional though. 

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8 minutes ago, Sapper said:

Canada desperately needs proportional representation.

 

Sadly, both major parties that have formed government will not accept such a proposition.  The Tories because they know that they'll never have enough votes on the floor to push their policies, and the current Rt. Hon.'s (flawed) reasoning is that it allows the "fringe voices" to hold the balance of power.

 

The reason why I say the reasoning is flawed is because that's a lazy way to look at it.  If progressive members of Parliament don't want "fringe voices" to hold the balance of power, they need to do a better job of arriving at a consensus that doesn't drive policy to one extreme or the other.  The few votes in the House that the "fringe voices" would represent are unlikely to be able to act as kingmaker if those in the centre are able to work based on their commonalities instead of sticking to their dogma.

 

And should Canada unfortunately have a mobilized electorate that would elect in enough "fringe voices" to represent a substantial voting block (ie. 15% or more MPs) in the House, then our country probably deserves the shit that'll be coming down the pipe. :picard:

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1 hour ago, Sapper said:

Dead serious 

 

They are feeding into delusional beliefs and feeding falsehoods so extreme that it can't be rationalized as legitimate or believable

Telling people that the "voices are real" is dangerous and falsely validates their beliefs.

 

This is going way beyond just hating the other guy and despising a party.

 

It's not the person PP or the party ... It's the conservative movement that is feeding the delusions 

 

We have no issues calling antifa an extremely fringe group .... This conservative movement is to normal conservative principals what antifi is to the left wing

 

Both are wrong and both feed if the easy prey of people looking to fit in

 

 

Telling people voices are real?  What people? What voices?   Your whole post is absurd 

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1 hour ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

After doing some quick googling, it's my understanding that it's the provincial governments who are mainly responsible for childcare, so maybe that's a question for the NDP and not PP?


 

Whether you agree with $10/day daycare or not both the Libs and NDP are working to provide that to more Canadians. Lots of money from the Feds is going to provinces to fund joint projects. 
 

Trudeau said Ottawa is contributing just under $202 million to create child-care spaces across Ontario, money that was announced previously as part of a $625-million package to create 86,000 new child-care spaces in the province by 2026. Since launching a national daycare program in 2021, the federal government has contributed some $40 billion.

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59 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

That plot of land that surrounds my home has doubled in that time as well. There's no more land to build on, or very little so what would you expect?


I expect people to stop voting for an idiot.

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