Ricky Ravioli Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: Some of the culture war stuff is pretty bad, surely you'd agree there. Of course. Both sides are guilty of it regardless of who we want to say does it more. But what makes his statement ok? Designating an entire political parties voting base as mentally unwell is a pretty wild claim to make 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Some of the culture war stuff is pretty bad, surely you'd agree there. It mirrors trumps followers Some are so deep into it they no longer are capable of rational beliefs ( the term radicalized comes to mind ) My point is simply that there are some individuals that involvement in such things as the f truduea group is feeding into existing issues and not in a healthy way. Call it a cult , call it what ever one wants .... It's gone far beyond just politics and for them actually defines who they are , their beliefs and truths PP should tone it down.... It's like isn't truduea bad enough that he could find actual truths to use ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sapper said: It mirrors trumps followers Some are so deep into it they no longer are capable of rational beliefs ( the term radicalized comes to mind ) My point is simply that there are some individuals that involvement in such things as the f truduea group is feeding into existing issues and not in a healthy way. Call it a cult , call it what ever one wants .... It's gone far beyond just politics and for them actually defines who they are , their beliefs and truths PP should tone it down.... It's like isn't truduea bad enough that he could find actual truths to use ? That's some irony there... You want to talk about radicalized you just accused an entire voting base of being mentally unwell and conspiracy theorists Edited May 14 by Ricky Ravioli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 11 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Of course. Both sides are guilty of it regardless of who we want to say does it more. But what makes his statement ok? Designating an entire political parties voting base as mentally unwell is a pretty wild claim to make I didn't .. I said conservatism .... The modern conservatism is on the extremes and needs to pull back There are millions of conservative supporters that would never fly the f Truduea flag or participate in the bizzare conspiracy movement gripping PP's loudest supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Talk about irony... You are sooo radicalized you just accused an entire voting base of being mentally unwell and conspiracy theorists Nice try ... Your clearly not able to seperate reality from opinion so no point debating someone who isn't capable of acknowledging that the fringe group is starting to move from reality and .... That's a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Sapper said: Nice try ... Your clearly not able to seperate reality from opinion so no point debating someone who isn't capable of acknowledging that the fringe group is starting to move from reality and .... That's a problem Then acknowledge the "fringe" group instead of saying basically anyone who voted conservative is mentally unwell or a conspiracy theorist 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The two-bedroom average rent in new and existing structures in Canada’s 35 major centres was $949 in April 2015. In 2023? $1930. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx Well done Trudeau...well done. Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, Heretic said: The two-bedroom average rent in new and existing structures in Canada’s 35 major centres was $949 in April 2015. In 2023? $1930. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx Well done Trudeau...well done. Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015? Yes... Yes he did. As you can imagine, that's gone spectacularaly and of course it's not his fault. He just made the promise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 42 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Of course. Both sides are guilty of it regardless of who we want to say does it more. But what makes his statement ok? Designating an entire political parties voting base as mentally unwell is a pretty wild claim to make PPC is trying hard to live up to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, Heretic said: The two-bedroom average rent in new and existing structures in Canada’s 35 major centres was $949 in April 2015. In 2023? $1930. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx Well done Trudeau...well done. Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015? why are you blaming. the feds, when rent control is the jurisdiction of the provinces and municipalities? And no I'm not deflecting, this is just a legal reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: why are you blaming. the feds, when rent control is the jurisdiction of the provinces and municipalities? And no I'm not deflecting, this is just a legal reality. Why is he making promises he can't keep? Either he's a liar then or purposely misleading the voters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: PPC is trying hard to live up to that. Who cares about them? They got around the same voting share as the greens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Ricky Ravioli said: Why is he making promises he can't keep? Either he's a liar then or purposely misleading the voters because he's a politician? seriously tho, yes he did drop the ball not bringing in more housing projects earlier, there's no doubt about that. You can put some of it on covid, but not all. But they are doing it now. The equity party was something no one wanted to mess with, no one. Now we're paying for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Why is he making promises he can't keep? Either he's a liar then or purposely misleading the voters Option 3 incompetent on the issue The feds have some control ... Even PP is adding his take on it and his goal ( not much on details ,) The rental problem although worse in a few cities is a Canada wide problem impacting equally all provinces Many of the items driving the cost are fed issues that provinces struggle to deal with ... Immigration policies and federal anti worker legislation are just ,2 items that add to the problem But the who builds what and where and the building codes are for the most part the sole jurisdiction of province PP may have some ideas to treat the cause but like truduea won't be able to simply legislate it away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johngould21 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 18 minutes ago, Heretic said: The two-bedroom average rent in new and existing structures in Canada’s 35 major centres was $949 in April 2015. In 2023? $1930. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/schl-cmhc/nh12-249/NH12-249-2015-1-eng.pdf https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/-/media/sites/cmhc/professional/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/rental-market-report/rental-market-report-2022-en.ashx Well done Trudeau...well done. Didn't he promise affordable housing for all back in 2015? That plot of land that surrounds my home has doubled in that time as well. There's no more land to build on, or very little so what would you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted May 14 Popular Post Share Posted May 14 Is anyone talking about electoral reform these days? That was the biggest broken promise that JT did for this voter. So, I didn't vote for him again. Happy with what the NDP have achieved. They took some power and got some things done. Not bad when they are a party that will never get a true shake in this binary populace. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Is anyone talking about electoral reform these days? this was, and still is, a big disappointment for me. Trudeau at the least needed to take this to a referendum. If voters said no after that, so be it. 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: That was the biggest broken promise that JT did for this voter. So, I didn't vote for him again. I put a bit of this on the NDP as well, they were unwilling to consider ranked ballot, had they done that we'd have got this ball rolling. I was hoping Jag would revisit that, but they must figure its a loser for them somehow. 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Happy with what the NDP have achieved. They took some power and got some things done. Not bad when they are a party that will never get a true shake in this binary populace. this is by far the most the NDP has ever accomplished. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Part of the problem with our electoral system is the party with the most seats if it's a majority gets absolute power Im not a fan of the USA system but at least the President doesn't get absolute power as there are checks and balances in place with the house and Senate that makes sure all voices are heard ( in theory ,) Canada desperately needs proportional representation. It would leave is with almost always having minority governments.which I feel give the best governments we have had. Heck I didn't even hate Harper in his minority governments ( didn't like but didn't hate it ) It's extremely rare in Canada for one party to have 50 percent plus of all votes in the country. That leaves most elections providing Prime Ministers not voted for by the majority of Canadians. This in a country with 4 consistent ranking federal parties ....causing alot of the divisions.we see currently First past the post only truly works if there is only ever 2 choices to vote for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Sapper said: Kidding aside ( and they make laughing at them just too easy )... Im really starting to feel that conservatism should be tagged with a mental health warning https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/#:~:text=However%2C the general pattern is,other forms of psychic distress. Its a study from the States but seems you statement is probably not correct. This would make sense are the Liberal government would be more generous with social programs including mental health. The far left and far right are definitely both pretty delusional though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 8 minutes ago, Sapper said: Canada desperately needs proportional representation. Sadly, both major parties that have formed government will not accept such a proposition. The Tories because they know that they'll never have enough votes on the floor to push their policies, and the current Rt. Hon.'s (flawed) reasoning is that it allows the "fringe voices" to hold the balance of power. The reason why I say the reasoning is flawed is because that's a lazy way to look at it. If progressive members of Parliament don't want "fringe voices" to hold the balance of power, they need to do a better job of arriving at a consensus that doesn't drive policy to one extreme or the other. The few votes in the House that the "fringe voices" would represent are unlikely to be able to act as kingmaker if those in the centre are able to work based on their commonalities instead of sticking to their dogma. And should Canada unfortunately have a mobilized electorate that would elect in enough "fringe voices" to represent a substantial voting block (ie. 15% or more MPs) in the House, then our country probably deserves the shit that'll be coming down the pipe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Sapper said: Dead serious They are feeding into delusional beliefs and feeding falsehoods so extreme that it can't be rationalized as legitimate or believable Telling people that the "voices are real" is dangerous and falsely validates their beliefs. This is going way beyond just hating the other guy and despising a party. It's not the person PP or the party ... It's the conservative movement that is feeding the delusions We have no issues calling antifa an extremely fringe group .... This conservative movement is to normal conservative principals what antifi is to the left wing Both are wrong and both feed if the easy prey of people looking to fit in Telling people voices are real? What people? What voices? Your whole post is absurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Some of the culture war stuff is pretty bad, surely you'd agree there. Ya I agree. I just read some ridiculous stuff from sapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Ricky Ravioli said: After doing some quick googling, it's my understanding that it's the provincial governments who are mainly responsible for childcare, so maybe that's a question for the NDP and not PP? Whether you agree with $10/day daycare or not both the Libs and NDP are working to provide that to more Canadians. Lots of money from the Feds is going to provinces to fund joint projects. Trudeau said Ottawa is contributing just under $202 million to create child-care spaces across Ontario, money that was announced previously as part of a $625-million package to create 86,000 new child-care spaces in the province by 2026. Since launching a national daycare program in 2021, the federal government has contributed some $40 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 59 minutes ago, Johngould21 said: That plot of land that surrounds my home has doubled in that time as well. There's no more land to build on, or very little so what would you expect? I expect people to stop voting for an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 7 minutes ago, Heretic said: I expect people to stop voting for an idiot. You’re making it awfully difficult for me to mark my x in any box on election day then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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