bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Satchmo said: Bolt may I remind you that there is only one guy in this forum that throws the word Nazi around. Please don't paint us all with that brush. Now as for conservatives adopting campaign and policy strategies from the US right, that's another story isn't it? If my afternoon was free I wonder how many examples I could come up with on that front. I didn't throw it around; I mentioned the gentlemen invited to Parliament was a SS Nazi member. That is completely different than calling a supporter or individual member of a party in Parliament a Nazi. Read gurn lunatic responses. He called the CPC nazis... Edited May 28 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Optimist Prime Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: . During Harpers government, Veterans offices were closed down, making it harder for veterans. We had an incident here in PG shortly after the office here in town closed resulting in a dead vet by cop. So it really IS a big deal. I remember that, my wife worked in the Operational Stress Injuries Social Supports programme with VAC back then. Every third desk in her office got a layoff notice, she survived it. A lot of offices closed and as she was the only person in BC doing her particular job she then had her name on the door of an office at UBC, a VAC office 11 blocks from the Canucks Arena in Vancouver, one at Jericho, and that was just in Vancouver proper. She had her main office here on the Island in downtown Victoria by the Empress at the time, and another on the base in Esquimalt. They rented her an atco trailer in Chilliwack and would rent her hotel rooms in Hope, Kelowna, Pince George and Massett. Not to mention her trips to Whitehorse. I am sure there were more places she had to reach by rental car from any of those places. She was paid for 37.5 hours a week and almost routinely ended up doing 65 to 80 hours per week on the job to keep up, with no overtime pay and a boss that said "I didn't authorize you any overtime for that". She told them repeatedly she didn't need all those offices in Vancouver, if their goal was save money, stop paying for empty offices. Instead her boss, the guy in charge of Western Canada, who was only an infantry Master Corporal with full blown PTSD when he retired, but was in charge of western Canada's OSISS Programme for VAC was an ass and a misogynist who drove 7 women out of the job who worked under him and would often use his go to catch phrase "honestly i have no idea how you women got your jobs" whenever anyone pushed back on his demanding schedule. She is retired medically now and still suffers incredible mental hardships. She tried to kill herself in 2016 after I dropped her off for her bus for work, she tried to jump in front of one on the highway. It is slowly getting better but that era for Veterans and Veterans affairs staff alike was hell. I remember that incident and I remember hearing a guy i worked with overseas barricaded himself into his apartment back east and light it on fire to stop the cops from getting to him for a "mental health check" as he was afraid of being shot. He died and destroyed half an apartment block in the affair. A good friend too in the Harper years got back from a six month tour overseas, and was put to work, she was an MP, at National Defense Headquarters 2 days after getting home from the sandbox. Mid trip home she got a dear Jane letter from her hubby who left her for her close friend who didn't go overseas...she shot herself with her service pistol in the 'penalty box' security gate hutt in Ottawa on the job. You didn't hear about that though as it would have rattled the armed services coast to coast if it was widely talked about. THe Harper Government gave no fucks for the armed forces members, but ohhhh they loved the armed forces. what a joke. I know I overshare, but this hits so close to home it isn't funny. 1 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, bolt said: I didn't throw it around; I mentioned the gentlemen invited to Parliament was a SS Nazi member. That is completely different than calling a supporter or individual member of a party in Parliament a Nazi. Read War hippy lunatic responses. He called the CPC nazis... lmao I did? Show me where I called the CPC Nazis. I dare you. Go ahead. But make sure you show EXACTLY what I was responding to from yourself before you even attempt to try. Go ahead. Come on big shooter, show me. As for lunatic responses. You've absolutely done nothing but smear an entire government as being inept and corrupt (agree inept but corrupt lol) without deviation. Just drop in drop some bullshit and run away without having the testicular fortitude to respond to anyone who asks you to justofy your position. Including my own self for posting exactly what corruption is and how it applies perfectly to Poiliverre as well as Trudeau. So go on. Show me where I called the CPC nazis and ensure you post the post I was responding to. A double double says you're gonna be as brave as Pierre when faced with showing your work though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Veterans offices were closed down, making it harder for veterans. There is hours of video of Poiliverre and Callandra defending the closure of the Veterans offices as well as the coast guard base here in BC while also defending the "office of religious freedoms" (nice waste of $6 million a year there) they did so by justifying it against a .5% reduction in GST while also saying that increasing the age for OAS and retirement to 67 was productive. This is of course under the former government so obviously has no bearing now. Obviously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gurn said: not just Pierre- but everyone in his party. Thus they are al NAZIs, or they all got caught, giving ritual applause to a man with an history, that was unknown to them. Me- I'm leaning to the latter. The tolerant left wing Edited May 28 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: lmao I did? Show me where I called the CPC Nazis. I dare you. Go ahead. But make sure you show EXACTLY what I was responding to from yourself before you even attempt to try. Go ahead. Come on big shooter, show me. As for lunatic responses. You've absolutely done nothing but smear an entire government as being inept and corrupt (agree inept but corrupt lol) without deviation. Just drop in drop some bullshit and run away without having the testicular fortitude to respond to anyone who asks you to justofy your position. Including my own self for posting exactly what corruption is and how it applies perfectly to Poiliverre as well as Trudeau. So go on. Show me where I called the CPC nazis and ensure you post the post I was responding to. A double double says you're gonna be as brave as Pierre when faced with showing your work though You all sound the same but it was gurn. My apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 10 minutes ago, bolt said: I didn't throw it around; I mentioned the gentlemen invited to Parliament was a SS Nazi member. That is completely different than calling a supporter or individual member of a party in Parliament a Nazi. Read War hippy lunatic responses. He called the CPC nazis... I did not say you threw the word around. I'm not sure warhippy ever did. I was thinking of Heffy. As per Nazis in parliament we have been through that many, many times. - One guy invited him - the same one guy resigned in shame soon afterwards - ALL members of all parties stood up and cheered when the ex Nazi spoke, including PP - the presence of a Nazi in parliament in no way showed a fascist leaning of any member of any party or of fascist policies of any party. lunacy is in the eye of the beholder. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: There is hours of video of Poiliverre and Callandra defending the closure of the Veterans offices as well as the coast guard base here in BC while also defending the "office of religious freedoms" (nice waste of $6 million a year there) they did so by justifying it against a .5% reduction in GST while also saying that increasing the age for OAS and retirement to 67 was productive. This is of course under the former government so obviously has no bearing now. Obviously Add in that P P voted against environmental policy, by some sources upwards of 400 times. Sounds like he's going to be a reasonable steward of the environment if/when he gets a majority government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just now, bolt said: You all sound the same but it was gurn. My apologies You all sound the same? Why does that sound like some familiar terminology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just now, the destroyer of worlds said: Add in that P P voted against environmental policy, by some sources upwards of 400 times. Sounds like he's going to be a reasonable steward of the environment if/when he gets a majority government. That's one of the biggest things people on that side of the partisan fence in regards to Pierre He has over 2 decades of voting history. He has over 2 decades of statements. He has amassed a fortune ONLY because he has enriched himself off of the public teet. HE is the furthest thing from progressive and as for a Conservative, he is one in social ideology only. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: You all sound the same? Why does that sound like some familiar terminology What are you implying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bolt said: The tolerant left wing I know the right wing has serious issues with literacy, but he said that he was leaning towards them not being all Nazis. Your struggles with reading comprehension do not make the left wing intolerant. Edited May 28 by King Heffy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: Sort of like if one of the two presidential candidates was reachign out to Timothy McVeigh or the Unibomber as good people and bringing them and their supporters into the tent. Not a perfect analogy but close. It is a scary notion that the brownshirt ultra minority Another example of the tolerant left. "Brown shirt ultra minority" extreme pandering and panic? Edited May 28 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 18 hours ago, King Heffy said: Yes, considering what Poilivre wants to do to this country and his open support of domestic terrorists trying to overthrow the government. No point in sugarcoating it and pretending that Poilivre deserves to be treated the same as civilized people. More people need to stand up against his barbaric beliefs and the bigots who support him. Another member of the tolerant left calling the CPC a nazi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 6 minutes ago, bolt said: Another example of the tolerant left. "Brown shirt ultra minority" extreme pandering and panic? reading comprehension please. I specifically said ultra minority. As in they are but a sliver of the spectrum of people who will vote Poilievre. a sliver with an outsized very squeaky voice. edit: and in your post directly above YOU are the only one using the word Nazi. Sigh, face palm, moving on. Trolls gonna troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 4 minutes ago, bolt said: Another example of the tolerant left. "Brown shirt ultra minority" extreme pandering and panic? Either that or calling it like it is. Depends on your point of view I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 12 minutes ago, bolt said: What are you implying? Just that sometimes the ideological apple doesn't fall far from the gallo...err tree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just now, bolt said: Another member of the tolerant left calling the CPC a nazi. Now you're just trolling ignorantly. Nobody in that statement called Pierre a Nazi. Grow up. Facts are facts. Pierre was out in support of individuals with a written and sworn memorandum to overthrow the duly elected government of our nation. Pierre has in fact been seen associating quite frequently with people with shall we say; disturbing beliefs. Pierre in fact was an individual in charge of the creation of the idea of the "barbaric practices hotline" as well as a sworn and proud individual over the wasteful and seemingly bigoted "office of religious freedoms" 22 years or so in office has left him a significant legacy for us to be able to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Just that sometimes the ideological apple doesn't fall far from the gallo...err tree QUoted 3 members calling the Cpc nazis. Give yourself a Pad on the pad on the back for not partaking. And now you want to instigate the implications of racism. Edited May 28 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, bolt said: Another member of the tolerant left calling the CPC a nazi. This is your interpretation of what he said? Really? You know that I'm damn smack in the middle hating both PP and Trudeau. I've already mentioned before to you how over-exaggeration and bad faith interpretations just alienates the other side. I'm guessing you're not here to convince people though. You're not here for a civil debate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, bolt said: QUoted 3 members calling the Cpc nazis. ?? You did? Can you do it again? I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bolt said: QUoted 3 members calling the Cpc nazis. Give yourself a Pad on the pad on the back for not partaking. And now you want to instigate the implications of racism. Your such a good person. Apply this appropriately to the Canadian political theater. Bottom line is while it's incredibly unlikely anyone in government is actually a Nazi Nazis and people that harbour those sentiments certainly have a serious voting preference though and it's a very specific party. Why do you think that is? Serious question Edited May 28 by Warhippy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Satchmo said: ?? You did? Can you do it again? I missed it. He didn't. He's just getting upset and calling anyone against him as "calling his precious party nazis." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: If the removal of services is coupled with lower taxes, then its not as big of a deal as it means more money in peoples pockets to spend on what they want whether that be certain services or goods. If the government is launching well run cost effective services taking advantage of economies of scale for the public, its a huge win for everyone. But it doesn't seem like that is the case, as there are too many inefficiencies in these government run programs coupled with high admin costs due to government wages. If this is the case it is better for the people to keep the money and use it on the services and goods specific to their needs. The ideal of a less involvement from government is appealing to many. 3 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Trickle down economics, which is basically what you are describing here, DOES NOT WORK. It's been tried. It's been tried on steroids (Brownback's Kansas for example). The cuts is services are a big deal. During Harpers government, Veterans offices were closed down, making it harder for veterans. We had an incident here in PG shortly after the office here in town closed resulting in a dead vet by cop. So it really IS a big deal. EDIT: I'll explain the Brownback example Gov. Brownback slashed taxes with promises that this would create all kinds of economic opportunities because people would have more money in their pockets. The cuts in taxes obviously reduced revenue to the government putting them in a bad deficit position. Cuts to services then "had" to be done to get the self inflicted deficit under control. Flash forward a few years. Kansas' economy and other metrics lagged behind their neighbouring states. States that are also GOP run, but didn't slash taxes like Kansas did. The economic boom that Brownback promised did not happen. It got so bad that the government that passed those tax cuts ultimately had to reinstate many of those cut taxes back. It was a disaster. Self inflicted. As Destroyer mentioned, trickle down economics DO NOT work. We have decades of evidence of this, here and abroad. Every time the Cons are in power we see slashed funding to programs for the people most in need of them. All it does is cause more crime, health, poverty, housing etc, etc issues that get paid for by....? Us, that's who. And it's especially bad as it doubles down on a lot of the systemic issues that cost us money in the first place. And the cheapest time to even start addressing those (poverty, health, addiction etc) issues is ALWAYS sooner than later. You just end up making already costly problems, worse, and more costly to address in the future. So when slashing those programs doesn't save us as much money as the Cons said it would (it literally NEVER does), suddenly they're forced to sell off things like Petro Can or the Wheat board to foreign interests to pay for the deficits THEY created. Slowly whittling away on what should be long term Canadian-held assets for our collective long term prosperity. Sold off for pennies on the dollar due to their "Conservative fiscal strategy". All so you can "save" a couple hundred bucks a year in taxes (while the wealthy and corporations save $$$$$). I don't know how any average Canadian could possibly vote for that?! Go ahead and look at all the countries ahead of Canada in things like quality of life. They're all "high" tax countries. It's literally THE point point of a Democratic society. To pool resources, to build something greater than the individual sum of it's parts. Edited May 28 by aGENT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 4 hours ago, Ricky Ravioli said: You aren't pointing out anything. You are stating an opinion. One that is wrong mind you which part? what your personal take is, or the talking points from the US that the CPC uses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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