Canadian Politics Thread

[Playoff Beered]

17 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

 

Please do not be Abusive to one another. 

 

 

 

 

[Playoff Beered]

23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

If this was all on Rota and the MP's didn't even know this guy was going to show up until he was sitting in the House of Commons, then it wasn't possible for any of the MP's to properly vet this guy.  I mean what were they supposed to do, google his name after Rota introduced him?

 

If it's true that Rota was the only person who knew that this guy was going to show up, then none of the MP's who were standing and applauding were at fault.  If others knew within the government, then that's a whole other ballgame...

 

There is already a steady stream of rightwing talking heads saying it was done on purpose, deep state ,WEF, the great reset, Claus Schwab blah blah blah.

[Gurn]

Too bad P.P. doesn't have clearance- or he'd have seen the same evidence

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/after-briefing-on-intel-singh-says-clear-evidence-india-involved-in-b-c-killing/ar-AA1hiyGV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a6d3b9f5e0f24a499f7d8a7547beb7d8&ei=9#image=1#comments

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OTTAWA — Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Tuesday he received an intelligence briefing about allegations that the Indian government could be behind the killing of a Sikh gurdwara leader in British Columbia. 

"I can confirm what the prime minister has shared publicly: that there is clear intelligence that Canada has that lays out the following case that a Canadian citizen was killed on Canadian soil and a foreign government was involved," Singh told reporters in Ottawa on Tuesday.

"That intelligence is something that I think is very credible." 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the House of Commons Sept. 18  about "credible allegations" that the Indian government was involved in the June death of Hardeep Singh Nijjar in Surrey, B.C.

The well-known activist belonged to a movement that advocated for the creation of an independent Sikh state in India's Punjab province. India's government had labelled him a terrorist but has denied any involvement in his killing, calling the allegations by Trudeau "absurd and motivated."

The extraordinary allegation has worsened already rocky relations between India and Canada. India's government has accused Canada of not providing evidence to back up its claim, while Trudeau and other other ministers have called on India to co-operate with investigations.

Singh said Trudeau first told him and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre about the allegations against India before sharing them publicly. Three days later, Singh received a briefing from Trudeau's national security adviser, Jody Thomas.

Singh told reporters Tuesday that he was able to request the briefing on the matter because of the top-secret security clearance he obtained to review foreign-interference materials prepared by former governor general David Johnston, who had been named as a special rapporteur to explore that issue. Johnston has resigned from that role.

The former governor general’s report had concluded that Trudeau’s government did not knowingly or negligently fail to act on foreign attempts to interfere in the last two federal elections.

He had also recommended against calling a public inquiry into the issue. The Liberal government ended up tapping Quebec Court of Appeal Justice Marie-Josée Hogue to lead one earlier this month after months of outcry from, and discussions with, opposition parties.

Singh said that after reviewing the confidential material he had access to from Johnston, he agrees a public inquiry into foreign interference is necessary.

Poilievre has so far rejected getting the clearance needed to review the top-secret annex from Johnston's earlier report.

Poilievre said Tuesday that he was offered a briefing similar to one B.C. Premier David Eby received on the matter. 

He said he doesn't believe the briefing will offer any more substantial details on the allegation and would only force him to be tight-lipped about whatever he learned.

The Conservative leader has called on Trudeau to "come clean" about the evidence behind the allegation against India, saying Canadians deserve more facts.

Singh said Tuesday he does not support that call.

"They're matters of national security and so information cannot be released beyond the general statements that were released," he said.

"There's going to be a next step in the investigation and a prosecution and then information will be made public in an appropriate manner. ... To do it early would jeopardize the investigation."

A Canadian official told The Associated Press that the allegation of India's involvement is based on surveillance of Indian diplomats in Canada, including intelligence provided by a major ally.

The official said the communications involved Indian government officials and Indian diplomats in Canada and that some of the intelligence was provided by a member of the "Five Eyes" intelligence-sharing alliance — Canada, the U.S., Britain, Australia and New Zealand. 

The official did not say which ally provided the intelligence or give any details of the communications or how they were obtained. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

In an interview with CTV's Question Period that aired on Sunday, David Cohen, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, confirmed "there was shared intelligence among Five Eyes partners that helped lead Canada to making the statements that the prime minister made."

He said he does not generally comment on "private diplomatic conversations," but added: "There was a lot of communication between Canada and the United States about this, and I think that's as far as I'm comfortable going."

 

[Warhippy]

6 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Too bad P.P. doesn't have clearance- or he'd have seen the same evidence

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/after-briefing-on-intel-singh-says-clear-evidence-india-involved-in-b-c-killing/ar-AA1hiyGV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a6d3b9f5e0f24a499f7d8a7547beb7d8&ei=9#image=1#comments

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OTTAWA — Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Tuesday he received an intelligence briefing about allegations that the Indian government could be behind the killing of a Sikh gurdwara leader in British Columbia. 

"I can confirm what the prime minister has shared publicly: that there is clear intelligence that Canada has that lays out the following case that a Canadian citizen was killed on Canadian soil and a foreign government was involved," Singh told reporters in Ottawa on Tuesday.

"That intelligence is something that I think is very credible." 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the House of Commons Sept. 18  about "credible allegations" that the Indian government was involved in the June death of Hardeep Singh Nijjar in Surrey, B.C.

The well-known activist belonged to a movement that advocated for the creation of an independent Sikh state in India's Punjab province. India's government had labelled him a terrorist but has denied any involvement in his killing, calling the allegations by Trudeau "absurd and motivated."

The extraordinary allegation has worsened already rocky relations between India and Canada. India's government has accused Canada of not providing evidence to back up its claim, while Trudeau and other other ministers have called on India to co-operate with investigations.

Singh said Trudeau first told him and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre about the allegations against India before sharing them publicly. Three days later, Singh received a briefing from Trudeau's national security adviser, Jody Thomas.

Singh told reporters Tuesday that he was able to request the briefing on the matter because of the top-secret security clearance he obtained to review foreign-interference materials prepared by former governor general David Johnston, who had been named as a special rapporteur to explore that issue. Johnston has resigned from that role.

The former governor general’s report had concluded that Trudeau’s government did not knowingly or negligently fail to act on foreign attempts to interfere in the last two federal elections.

He had also recommended against calling a public inquiry into the issue. The Liberal government ended up tapping Quebec Court of Appeal Justice Marie-Josée Hogue to lead one earlier this month after months of outcry from, and discussions with, opposition parties.

Singh said that after reviewing the confidential material he had access to from Johnston, he agrees a public inquiry into foreign interference is necessary.

Poilievre has so far rejected getting the clearance needed to review the top-secret annex from Johnston's earlier report.

Poilievre said Tuesday that he was offered a briefing similar to one B.C. Premier David Eby received on the matter. 

He said he doesn't believe the briefing will offer any more substantial details on the allegation and would only force him to be tight-lipped about whatever he learned.

The Conservative leader has called on Trudeau to "come clean" about the evidence behind the allegation against India, saying Canadians deserve more facts.

Singh said Tuesday he does not support that call.

"They're matters of national security and so information cannot be released beyond the general statements that were released," he said.

"There's going to be a next step in the investigation and a prosecution and then information will be made public in an appropriate manner. ... To do it early would jeopardize the investigation."

A Canadian official told The Associated Press that the allegation of India's involvement is based on surveillance of Indian diplomats in Canada, including intelligence provided by a major ally.

The official said the communications involved Indian government officials and Indian diplomats in Canada and that some of the intelligence was provided by a member of the "Five Eyes" intelligence-sharing alliance — Canada, the U.S., Britain, Australia and New Zealand. 

The official did not say which ally provided the intelligence or give any details of the communications or how they were obtained. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

In an interview with CTV's Question Period that aired on Sunday, David Cohen, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, confirmed "there was shared intelligence among Five Eyes partners that helped lead Canada to making the statements that the prime minister made."

He said he does not generally comment on "private diplomatic conversations," but added: "There was a lot of communication between Canada and the United States about this, and I think that's as far as I'm comfortable going."

 

So Poiliverre has the option of reading all the information but instead has rejected it.  Yet is still demanding trudeau relase all the information for Canadians in an increadibly sensitive issue involving a state sponsored killing in our own nation which could jeopardize the investigation and international relations.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, your future PM....

[Gurn]

12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So Poiliverre has the option of reading all the information but instead has rejected it.  Yet is still demanding trudeau relase all the information for Canadians in an increadibly sensitive issue involving a state sponsored killing in our own nation which could jeopardize the investigation and international relations.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, your future PM....

I'm beginning to wonder if the reason Pierre has not gotten cleared is because:

 

he can't get cleared.

Maybe that should be looked into, can't have a person that can't get cleared in the job of Prime Minister, can we?

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Rook said:

this is more cost effective not only money wise but also the lives of Canadians.  Russia won’t stop its aggression.  Not sure why some folks don’t realize this.  A lot of them seem too young or maybe not educated enough to understand consequences of letting Nazis go unchecked. 

If they get through Ukraine then they are right up against NATO countries and then we are obligated to go to war with Russia if they choose to invade.  There is no choice but to aid ukraine

Edited September 26, 2023 by stawns

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

There is already a steady stream of rightwing talking heads saying it was done on purpose, deep state ,WEF, the great reset, Claus Schwab blah blah blah.

Well the story that we are being given is that the House Speaker decided on his own with zero involvement from anyone in his government to bring in a guest who nobody else knew to stand not only in front of the House of Commons but also in front of the leader of Ukraine who was here visiting. 
 

This story might indeed be true but I don’t blame people to be sceptical on the official narrative.  And of course the conspiracy theorists will be all over this too. 

[the destroyer of worlds]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Well the story that we are being given is that the House Speaker decided on his own with zero involvement from anyone in his government to bring in a guest who nobody else knew to stand not only in front of the House of Commons but also in front of the leader of Ukraine who was here visiting. 
 

This story might indeed be true but I don’t blame people to be sceptical on the official narrative.  And of course the conspiracy theorists will be all over this too. 

It's one thing to be skeptical.  The problem is that the tinfoil hat crowd will continue to push the conspiracy even if there is evidence to suggest that their conspiracy is BS.  If evidence is produced that indicates more people outside the Speaker's office knew beforehand, then lets reject the initial narrative and ask who else knew.  Until such time as evidence is presented, then the initial narrative is most likely true.  

[Elias Pettersson]

12 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

It's one thing to be skeptical.  The problem is that the tinfoil hat crowd will continue to push the conspiracy even if there is evidence to suggest that their conspiracy is BS.  If evidence is produced that indicates more people outside the Speaker's office knew beforehand, then lets reject the initial narrative and ask who else knew.  Until such time as evidence is presented, then the initial narrative is most likely true.  

I think Rota resigning should be enough to end the story. Unless there is a whistleblower who comes out with a different story. Either way it’s not a good look on the Liberal party. You know PP will be pushing this as far as he can go. Typical political games will be played. In all fairness if the shoe was on the other foot I am sure JT would be doing the same thing. These politicians are all the same. It never changes. 

[Gurn]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Either way it’s not a good look on the Liberal party.

Doesn't look good for the speaker, and he resigned.

Hands up, anyone that knew this 'honoured' guest was a Nazi collaborator-prior to it becoming an issue in parliament.

Every mp in that house did the stand and clap, like they do when they think their side just won a silly point, during the ridiculous question period.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

6 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Doesn't look good for the speaker, and he resigned.

Hands up, anyone that knew this 'honoured' guest was a Nazi collaborator-prior to it becoming an issue in parliament.

Every mp in that house did the stand and clap, like they do when they think their side just won a silly point, during the ridiculous question period.

 

The speaker is a Liberal. If he was a Conservative you know the Liberals would be on the attack. Politics never changes. 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[Elias Pettersson]

 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Dude this is so believable and credible I bet it's in the bible like all the other real things  

 

*sarcasm just poking fun at ya*

 

You have got to know absolutely unequivocally that this is a whole load of absolute garbage.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Warhippy

[Gurn]

All I got from that so called story, is the Indian government must be very concerned, not just about what evidence the 5 eye countries have regarding this case; but also just what do the 5 eyes know about everything else, the Indian government has been up to.

[Rusty Shackleford]

"Credible Rumours" sounds more like a Taylor Swift song.

[Playoff Beered]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

 

I find it highly unlikely India checked Can Force One.

[TheRocket18]

But correlates with the Jet having issues and being delayed.

 

IF TRUE:

Would the PM come forward in Parliament knowing this type of dirt they had on him, as it was going to come out in the media anyways?

 

IF FALSE...

Why was the jet held up, something broke...  like our countries affordable housing strategy?

 

[Warhippy]

10 minutes ago, TheRocket18 said:

But correlates with the Jet having issues and being delayed.

 

IF TRUE:

Would the PM come forward in Parliament knowing this type of dirt they had on him, as it was going to come out in the media anyways?

 

IF FALSE...

Why was the jet held up, something broke...  like our countries affordable housing strategy?

 

If true, would the indian government be dumb enough to not leverage this to the hilt?

[Kootenay Gold]

52 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

I find it highly unlikely India checked Can Force One.

I can not see a situation where the Canadian government would even allow that to happen.

 

[Snoop Hogg]

1 hour ago, Rusty Shackleford said:

"Credible Rumours" sounds more like a Taylor Swift song.

Leave the Antichrist out of this please and thanks.

[the destroyer of worlds]

4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The speaker is a Liberal. If he was a Conservative you know the Liberals would be on the attack. Politics never changes. 

Rota beat out 6 other candidates to be reelected Speaker.  When Rota won, he was congratulated by O'Toole and other party leaders.  They acknowledged his work in the previous parliament.  So it was hardly a partisan appointment. 

 

https://www-cbc-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6258662?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16957821571331&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fanthony-rota-speaker-re-elected-1.6258662

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Rota beat out 6 other candidates to be reelected Speaker.  When Rota won, he was congratulated by O'Toole and other party leaders.  They acknowledged his work in the previous parliament.  So it was hardly a partisan appointment. 

 

https://www-cbc-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6258662?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16957821571331&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fanthony-rota-speaker-re-elected-1.6258662

 

Sure, I get that Rota is not a partisan appointment.  All I'm saying is that if the house speaker was a conservative and that person brought a Nazi into the House of Commons, Trudeau and Freeland would be all over the conservatives.  It's the way politics works...

[Elias Pettersson]

I have it on good authority that there is a secret cabinet meeting happening right now...

 

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[Elias Pettersson]

According to Hunka’s granddaughter Theresa via her Facebook page, Trudeau and Zelenskyy met with Yaroslav Hunka in private…

 

No wonder they are having an emergency cabinet meeting tonight…

 

[Playoff Beered]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

According to Hunka’s granddaughter Theresa via her Facebook page, Trudeau and Zelenskyy met with Yaroslav Hunka in private…

 

No wonder they are having an emergency cabinet meeting tonight…

 

This was in the news days ago, they're probably just meeting to discuss what to do about the speakership. Hardly a secret emergency meeting. The guy screwed up, stepped down and will now get replaced, next.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Playoff Beered