Canadian Politics Thread

[Gurn]

17 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Oh ffs.

 

Someone walk me through the methodology behind this bullshit math.  Alberta and Sask have the lowest taxes already yet they'll somehow save the most?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada_by_province_and_territory

population from 2021

1	Ontario	14,223,942	38.45%	5.8%	908,699.33	15.2	121	35.8%	24	22.86%
2	Quebec	8,501,833	22.98%	4.1%	1,356,625.27	6.5	78	23.1%	24	22.86%
3	British Columbia	5,000,879	13.52%	7.6%	922,503.01	5.4	42	12.4%	6	5.71%
4	Alberta	4,262,635	11.52%	4.8%	640,330.46	6.7	34	10.1%	6	5.71%
5	Manitoba	1,342,153	3.63%	5.8%	552,370.99	2.3	14	4.1%	6	5.71%
6	Saskatchewan	1,132,505	3.06%	3.4%	588,243.54	2.0	14	4.1%	6	5.71%
7	Nova Scotia	969,383	2.62%	5.0%	52,942.27	18.4	11	3.3%	10	9.52%
8	New Brunswick	775,610	2.09%	3.8%	71,388.81	10.9	10	3.0%	10	9.52%
9	Newfoundland and Labrador	510,550	1.38%	−1.8%	370,514.08	1.4	7	2.1%	6	5.71%
10	Prince Edward Island	154,331	0.42%	8.0%	5,686.03	27.2	4	1.2%	4	3.81%
11	Northwest Territories	41,070	0.11%	−1.7%	1,143,793.86	0.04	1	0.3%	1	0.95%
12	Yukon	40,232	0.11%	12.1%	474,712.68	0.08	1	0.3%	1	0.95%
13	Nunavut	36,858	0.10%	2.5%	1,877,778.53	0.02	1	0.3%	1	0.95%
Total	Canada	36,991,981	100%	5.2%	8,965,588.85	4.2	338	100%	105	100%

 

Land mass/ size of provinces

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-and-smallest-canadian-provinces-territories-by-area.html

1	Nunavut	1,936,113
2	Quebec	1,365,128
3	Northwest Territories	1,183,085
4	British Columbia	925,186
5	Ontario	917,741
6	Alberta	642,317
7	Saskatchewan	591,670
8	Manitoba	553,556
9	Yukon	474,391
10	Newfoundland and Labrador	373,872
11	New Brunswick	71,450
12	Nova Scotia	53,338
13	Prince Edward Island	5,660

 

Alberta is the 6th largest province and has the 4rth most population, but somehow will save the most.

 

Quebec has a bit more than twice the land area and just under twice the population, but Alberta would save the most?

 

Edit to add

https://knoema.com/atlas/Canada/ranks/Net-sales-of-gasoline

Ontario is the top region by net sales of gasoline in Canada. As of 2022, net sales of gasoline in Ontario was 15.6 million thousand litres that accounts for 38.20% of Canada's net sales of gasoline. The top 5 regions (others are Quebec, Alberta, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan) account for 88.36% of it. Canada's total net sales of gasoline was estimated at 40.7 million thousand litres in 2022.

 

the graph says Alberta is #3 in net sales in 2022

 

 

Edited June 1 by Gurn

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Gurn said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada_by_province_and_territory

population from 2021

1	Ontario	14,223,942	38.45%	5.8%	908,699.33	15.2	121	35.8%	24	22.86%
2	Quebec	8,501,833	22.98%	4.1%	1,356,625.27	6.5	78	23.1%	24	22.86%
3	British Columbia	5,000,879	13.52%	7.6%	922,503.01	5.4	42	12.4%	6	5.71%
4	Alberta	4,262,635	11.52%	4.8%	640,330.46	6.7	34	10.1%	6	5.71%
5	Manitoba	1,342,153	3.63%	5.8%	552,370.99	2.3	14	4.1%	6	5.71%
6	Saskatchewan	1,132,505	3.06%	3.4%	588,243.54	2.0	14	4.1%	6	5.71%
7	Nova Scotia	969,383	2.62%	5.0%	52,942.27	18.4	11	3.3%	10	9.52%
8	New Brunswick	775,610	2.09%	3.8%	71,388.81	10.9	10	3.0%	10	9.52%
9	Newfoundland and Labrador	510,550	1.38%	−1.8%	370,514.08	1.4	7	2.1%	6	5.71%
10	Prince Edward Island	154,331	0.42%	8.0%	5,686.03	27.2	4	1.2%	4	3.81%
11	Northwest Territories	41,070	0.11%	−1.7%	1,143,793.86	0.04	1	0.3%	1	0.95%
12	Yukon	40,232	0.11%	12.1%	474,712.68	0.08	1	0.3%	1	0.95%
13	Nunavut	36,858	0.10%	2.5%	1,877,778.53	0.02	1	0.3%	1	0.95%
Total	Canada	36,991,981	100%	5.2%	8,965,588.85	4.2	338	100%	105	100%

 

Land mass/ size of provinces

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-and-smallest-canadian-provinces-territories-by-area.html

1	Nunavut	1,936,113
2	Quebec	1,365,128
3	Northwest Territories	1,183,085
4	British Columbia	925,186
5	Ontario	917,741
6	Alberta	642,317
7	Saskatchewan	591,670
8	Manitoba	553,556
9	Yukon	474,391
10	Newfoundland and Labrador	373,872
11	New Brunswick	71,450
12	Nova Scotia	53,338
13	Prince Edward Island	5,660

 

Alberta is the 6th largest province and has the 4rth most population, but somehow will save the most.

 

Quebec has a bit more than twice the land area and just under twice the population, but Alberta would save the most?

 

 

Right?

 

[Bob Long]

19 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Oh ffs.

 

Someone walk me through the methodology behind this bullshit math.  Alberta and Sask have the lowest taxes already yet they'll somehow save the most?

 

 

unfortunately the PBO's error is helping PP spread this bs. 

[Gurn]

^ Perhaps this 'savings' is just based on the federal tax, and provincial taxes are higher in other provinces.

 

But I too would like to see how they came up with the numbers. Actually I'd like to see how the Conservative party comes up with any of their numbers.

[King Heffy]

25 minutes ago, Gurn said:

^ Perhaps this 'savings' is just based on the federal tax, and provincial taxes are higher in other provinces.

 

But I too would like to see how they came up with the numbers. Actually I'd like to see how the Conservative party comes up with any of their numbers.

Yeah, I'm not sure how he's planning on eliminating provincial taxes.  Seems like a lot of Federal overreach to me.

[bolt]

Record food bank lines great government 

Edited June 1 by bolt

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

Some trucker stubbed their pinky toe.  Great government.  

[4petesake]

49 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Oh ffs.

 

Someone walk me through the methodology behind this bullshit math.  Alberta and Sask have the lowest taxes already yet they'll somehow save the most?

 

 

Even if that math is correct (it ain’t) some families in Alberta are going to take a shit-kicking. Math was never my strong suit but if I’m not mistaken losing the $1800 rebate is a steep price to save $955.

 

Starting in April, a family of four in Alberta will receive $450 quarterly – $1,800 in total – from the Canada Carbon Rebate(opens in a new tab), formerly known as the Climate Action Incentive Payment.

 

The payments for Albertans are slightly higher this year, up from $386 quarterly – $1,544 annually – in 2023-24.

Broken down by individual, the first adult will receive $225, a second adult will receive $112.5 and each child will receive $56.25 quarterly.

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

Even if that math is correct (it ain’t) some families in Alberta are going to take a shit-kicking. Math was never my strong suit but if I’m not mistaken losing the $1800 rebate is a steep price to save $955.

 

Starting in April, a family of four in Alberta will receive $450 quarterly – $1,800 in total – from the Canada Carbon Rebate(opens in a new tab), formerly known as the Climate Action Incentive Payment.

 

 

The payments for Albertans are slightly higher this year, up from $386 quarterly – $1,544 annually – in 2023-24.

Broken down by individual, the first adult will receive $225, a second adult will receive $112.5 and each child will receive $56.25 quarterly.

Eliminate the rebate!

[4petesake]

6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Eliminate the rebate!

 

Exactly.You can’t get a rebate on a tax you didn’t pay. 
Ax the rebate lacks a little pizzazz so I guess that’s why PP doesn’t advertise it.

[Elias Pettersson]

19 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

Even if that math is correct (it ain’t) some families in Alberta are going to take a shit-kicking. Math was never my strong suit but if I’m not mistaken losing the $1800 rebate is a steep price to save $955.

 

Starting in April, a family of four in Alberta will receive $450 quarterly – $1,800 in total – from the Canada Carbon Rebate(opens in a new tab), formerly known as the Climate Action Incentive Payment.

 

 

The payments for Albertans are slightly higher this year, up from $386 quarterly – $1,544 annually – in 2023-24.

Broken down by individual, the first adult will receive $225, a second adult will receive $112.5 and each child will receive $56.25 quarterly.

 

Eliminating the rebate might actually help the federal government balance its budget since the government is writing cheques it can't cash.  We know that Trudeau has no clue how to balance a budget, so some fiscal responsibility might be a good thing with the new government that will take over...

[Sapper]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Oh ffs.

 

Someone walk me through the methodology behind this bullshit math.  Alberta and Sask have the lowest taxes already yet they'll somehow save the most?

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-carbon-tax-holiday-1.7221474

 

For Alberta they would have to drive 30,700 kilometers during the period of those 3.5 months to get the savings claimed ( and based on Alberta's average fuel use. .. so any fuel efficient vehicle would be closer to 45k )

Cons selling absolute false lies that their followers are too afraid or brainwashed to call out as BS

Edited June 1 by Sapper

[aGENT]

Saw this post on Reddit that pretty much sums up my thoughts: 

 

"The CPC has in the past been completely unable to process what Trudeau really is - a mostly well meaning mediocre mind who obviously rose to national prominence because of who is father was, but who has done a lot of good while reacting way too slow to important issues and allowing many systemic problems to fester. But they just can't process that. They can't work with that. Instead Trudeau has to be the literal devil, an unspeakable evil. Someone coming to destroy our way of life. Give me a break.

 

Trudeau, like many other successful politicians, has benefited greatly from a totally inept opposition. Opposition that will blindly oppose anything he does on any level, and make no effort to maintain any credibility of their own whatsoever. They're supposed to be a credible government in waiting - that's how the opposition can hold the government to account. But they don't - they just suck for a decade until the electorate literally gets sick of the liberals, so they win by default. Pathetic.

 

I think at this point the liberals deserve to lose. I have yet to see anyone who deserves to win, though."

[RupertKBD]

2 hours ago, Gurn said:

^ Perhaps this 'savings' is just based on the federal tax, and provincial taxes are higher in other provinces.

 

But I too would like to see how they came up with the numbers. Actually I'd like to see how the Conservative party comes up with any of their numbers.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Sapper said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-carbon-tax-holiday-1.7221474

 

For Alberta they would have to drive 30,700 kilometers during the period of those 3.5 months to get the savings claimed ( and based on Alberta's average fuel use. .. so any fuel efficient vehicle would be closer to 45k )

Cons selling absolute false lies that their followers are too afraid or brainwashed to call out as BS

 

The Liberal government has pretty much done the same thing for the last 9 years...

[Bob Long]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

 

The Liberal government has pretty much done the same thing for the last 9 years...

 

Bullshit.

 

We were lucky to have a sensible government during the pandemic. Skippy would have pandered to the idiots.

[Elias Pettersson]

5 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Bullshit.

 

We were lucky to have a sensible government during the pandemic. Skippy would have pandered to the idiots.

 

Trudeau told you he was going to balance the budget.  He told you many times.  He lied to you Bob.  Also, we don't know how the Conservatives would have handled the pandemic.  I mean Trump and his cronies did a pretty good job in rolling out the vaccine as quickly as possible did they not?

 

Also, everything that was voted on during the pandemic was voted on unanimously, Liberals, Conservatives and the NDP...

Edited June 2 by Elias Pettersson

[The Lock]

10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

The Liberal government has pretty much done the same thing for the last 9 years...

 

Not nearly as much as the CPC has done. I'm not going to say the Liberals are saints or anything. They definately are not.

 

As I've mentioned before though, I dislike both parties at the moment with the CPC being a greater dislike, mostly because I haven't really seen them show any signs of being better than what the Liberals are right now.

 

Don't be surprised if, once you see the CPC in power, nothing changes, because I have yet to really see them have plans beyond attacking Trudeau and the plans they do have have more holes than swiss cheese.

 

It sucks right now because we don't have a good party to vote for in my opinion and we're the ones who have to suffer. lol

Edited June 2 by The Lock

[Elias Pettersson]

2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

Not nearly as much as the CPC has done. I'm not going to say the Liberals are saints or anything. They definately are not.

 

As I've mentioned before though, I dislike both parties at the moment with the CPC being a greater dislike, mostly because I haven't really seen them show any signs of being better than what the Liberals are right now.

 

Don't be surprised if, once you see the CPC in power, nothing changes, because I have yet to really see them have plans beyond attacking Trudeau and the plans they do have have more holes than swiss cheese.

 

 

How can you say that though if they've never actually been in power yet?  I don't know if they will be better or worse.  We won't know until they take power.  The fear mongering is that PP is going to rule with an iron fist and be a mini Trump.  He's even been called a Nazi by some posters.  So I guess he will be similar to Hitler for some people.  There is even talk that he will take away abortion rights.  Which is never going to happen.  

 

Lots of fear mongering on both sides of the aisle.  Bottom line is when governments change there will always be an adjustment period.  Will things be different?  If the Conservatives get a majority then for sure things will be different.  Will things be better?  Who knows.  

 

[The Lock]

7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

How can you say that though if they've never actually been in power yet?  I don't know if they will be better or worse.  We won't know until they take power.  The fear mongering is that PP is going to rule with an iron fist and be a mini Trump.  He's even been called a Nazi by some posters.  So I guess he will be similar to Hitler for some people.  There is even talk that he will take away abortion rights.  Which is never going to happen.  

 

Lots of fear mongering on both sides of the aisle.  Bottom line is when governments change there will always be an adjustment period.  Will things be different?  If the Conservatives get a majority then for sure things will be different.  Will things be better?  Who knows.  

 

Because the policies (or lack of policies) they've shown outside of attacking Trudeau. Think of any organization and what it takes to be successful. If you don't have a good plan in place, you're effectively "winging it" which is not a good look.. and in this case this is government we're talking about.

 

I'm not one of those poster calling him a Nazi or anything or fear mongering. I'm saying what I actually think will happen. You're welcome to disagree, but like I said... don't be surprised if I'm right. This is me actually looking at their policies as a non-biased person trying to figure out who to vote for... and I don't like what I see.`

Edited June 2 by The Lock

[Satchmo]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

He's even been called a Nazi by some posters one poster.  So I guess he will be similar to Hitler for some people one person. 

 

I think that's how those two sentences should go.

[Bob Long]

31 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Trudeau told you he was going to balance the budget.  He told you many times.  He lied to you Bob.  Also, we don't know how the Conservatives would have handled the pandemic.  I mean Trump and his cronies did a pretty good job in rolling out the vaccine as quickly as possible did they not?

 

Also, everything that was voted on during the pandemic was voted on unanimously, Liberals, Conservatives and the NDP...

 

Skippy lies almost daily. Pick a topic, I'll find the lie.

 

We do know, you just don't want to admit it prior to the election.

 

[aGENT]

22 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

 

How can you say that though if they've never actually been in power yet?  I don't know if they will be better or worse.  We won't know until they take power.  The fear mongering is that PP is going to rule with an iron fist and be a mini Trump.  He's even been called a Nazi by some posters.  So I guess he will be similar to Hitler for some people.  There is even talk that he will take away abortion rights.  Which is never going to happen.  

 

Lots of fear mongering on both sides of the aisle.  Bottom line is when governments change there will always be an adjustment period.  Will things be different?  If the Conservatives get a majority then for sure things will be different.  Will things be better?  Who knows.  

 

 

No the fear is that the Cons will do what they've always done when in power the last ~40 years, Slash social safety nets, coast guard, military, OAS etc while lowering taxes for the wealthy/corporations to "grow the economy", and when those race to the bottom, trickle down economics fail to actually improve the economy for anyone but the wealthy AGAIN, sell off yet another slice of Canada to help cover the losses.

 

All with a healthy undercurrent of Evangelical MP's in the party consistently bringing forward bills to regress human rights back 100 years, while completely ignoring climate change and the billions it costs us.

 

Who knows? Anyone that's been paying attention the last 40 years and isn't just viewing our politics as a team sport, or some means to "have sex" with the current PM.

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

 

How can you say that though if they've never actually been in power yet?  I don't know if they will be better or worse.  We won't know until they take power.  The fear mongering is that PP is going to rule with an iron fist and be a mini Trump.  He's even been called a Nazi by some posters.  So I guess he will be similar to Hitler for some people.  There is even talk that he will take away abortion rights.  Which is never going to happen.  

 

Lots of fear mongering on both sides of the aisle.  Bottom line is when governments change there will always be an adjustment period.  Will things be different?  If the Conservatives get a majority then for sure things will be different.  Will things be better?  Who knows.  

 

 

So you are saying you are literally voting for something that you have no idea what it will be like? Just voting into the void?

[Elias Pettersson]

8 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

So you are saying you are literally voting for something that you have no idea what it will be like? Just voting into the void?

 

Yup.  Just like I voted for Trudeau in 2015 with a hope and a prayer.  Had no clue what was going to happen then either as he had no track record...