The Lock Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, Spring Salmon said: Trudeau waited until the nova Scotia shooting to enact bill c21. The shooter was not allowed to possess firearms legally and they were smuggled from the states. So why did he ban AR-15s when they had absolutely nothing to do with it? He immediately pounced on this tragedy with new laws that wouldn't have done shit just to make it look like he was doing something productive. It was right before the 21 election if I remember correctly. Now the buyback amnesty is extended to Oct 25 another election. Coincidence eh Notice how I said "in an ideal world" in brackets there. I'm not here to defend Trudeau. Trudeau might have gone too far with things. I have yet to really decide on that as I haven't really looked into things too much to be honest. But make no mistake that a lot of Liberal and farther left voters do want stricter gun policies. It's not going to matter if it's Trudeau or not. Whenever Liberals get into power, stricter gun laws happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, Spring Salmon said: Yes he is a moron but free speech is better than freedom of expression maybe, that would be an interesting argument to have. But the fool didn't even know that he was quoting US law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: Yes he is a moron but free speech is better than freedom of expression You do realise freedom of expression IS freedom of speech along with the right to hear, right? I guess that can be a debate for another time though. That sounds like a rabbit hole. lol Edited June 2 by The Lock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, The Lock said: . I have yet to really decide on that as I haven't really looked into things too much to be honest. You should probably do that. A lot of guns on that list were hunting rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, The Lock said: You do realise freedom of expression IS freedom of speech along with the right to hear, right? They are not the same. Free speech is absolute free speech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Spring Salmon said: They are not the same. Free speech is absolute free speech No, free speech in the US is NOT absolute free speech. Look it up and get back to us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, Spring Salmon said: You should probably do that. A lot of guns on that list were hunting rifles I don't doubt it. I hope you do realise at least I'm not coming at you from the opposite side. I'm honestly stuck in the middle between both parties with my ideals. It sucks. I hate both sides. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 21 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Not sure why I did - because I have wasted too much time on this already - but I had another glance at the linked document before closing the tab. While the document begins with a Cheliak quote, and then describes things he 'extolled', by the time it gets to closing with the lines we are fussing about they can't be attributed to anybody in particular. That might explain why I could find no proof of Cheliak actually saying them. They seem only to exist in a document produced by the NFA, which leads me to believe they were written by the NFA and not stated by the RCMP. https://nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Licensed-Gun-Owner-Crime-Statistics.pdf I don't know what to tell you then. Believe it or not that's your choice. I've heard of him a few times over the years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, The Lock said: I don't doubt it. I hope you do realise at least I'm not coming at you from the opposite side. I'm honestly stuck in the middle between both parties with my ideals. It sucks. I hate both sides. lol You have a lot of company in that regard. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Lock said: I don't doubt it. I hope you do realise at least I'm not coming at you from the opposite side. I'm honestly stuck in the middle between both parties with my ideals. It sucks. I hate both sides. lol I hear you. Honestly look further into it. It's pretty greasy Honestly he banned a coffee company on that list. Black rifle coffee Edited June 2 by Spring Salmon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: They are not the same. Free speech is absolute free speech You don't want absolute free speech dude. Imagine if someone wrote a defamation paper about you. Normally, you'd be able to sue them right? If absolute free speech were implemented, you wouldn't be able to. Someone, anyone, could just cripple your life. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 5 minutes ago, Satchmo said: No, free speech in the US is NOT absolute free speech. Look it up and get back to us. Alright I do it later. 4 percent battery now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, Spring Salmon said: I don't know what to tell you then. Believe it or not that's your choice. I've heard of him a few times over the years To paraphrase what I recently said to Petey - you can always trust everything you hear. Do me a favor and re-read that stuff. Let me know if you can say with 100% certainty that those last lines were an RCMP quote or just an addon to some RCMP quotes. All the quotes were attributed; those lines were not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Long Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 25 minutes ago, bolt said: What was it when Poilievre was buying the convoy donuts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 28 minutes ago, bolt said: I broke a nail. Is that also Trudeau's fault? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, The Lock said: I broke a nail. Is that also Trudeau's fault? Depends, did you paint it pink first? Because then yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 hours ago, Spring Salmon said: They are not the same. Free speech is absolute free speech Legalized hate speech is not a positive thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 12 hours ago, King Heffy said: Legalized hate speech is not a positive thing. While I agree with you about that, it's not that simple. The Lock is right it's a big rabbit hole. The problem will always be where to draw the line and who decides. For instance you constantly throw that word around with PP and I have never once agreed with you. What we should agree on is this new online harms bill has gone too far. Imprisoning people for life for words and being able to give people house arrest, not for a crime they did, but what they might or could possibly do in the future is nuts. Even far left Andrew Coyne thinks it's too far https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canadas-online-harms-act-is-revealing-itself-to-be-staggeringly/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 15 hours ago, Spring Salmon said: I'm not here saying guns are more important than shoes but there really needs to be less people deciding what you need Welcome to living in a society. "We" get to decide laws around activities that could endanger other people. You're no more entitled to guns than you are to drive drunk or build cars without seatbelts. 15 hours ago, Spring Salmon said: Look I have many hobbies but enacting gun laws for easy votes is BS. That's all my point is. The liberals know that most gun owners vote conservative and most liberals don't like guns so it's an easy choice for them. It's unfortunate more people don't see that It's "easy votes" because THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANT. Nobody is "tricking" us for votes. 15 hours ago, Spring Salmon said: Trudeau waited until the nova Scotia shooting to enact bill c21. The shooter was not allowed to possess firearms legally and they were smuggled from the states. So why did he ban AR-15s when they had absolutely nothing to do with it? He immediately pounced on this tragedy with new laws that wouldn't have done shit just to make it look like he was doing something productive. It was right before the 21 election if I remember correctly. Now the buyback amnesty is extended to Oct 25 another election. Coincidence eh "Trudeau" didn't likely do much of anything other than be the sitting PM while a likely committee of MP'S, listened to and read a metric butt tonne of information from experts, read countless reports and deliberated on what to do. It's simply not how our government functions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 5 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: While I agree with you about that, it's not that simple. The Lock is right it's a big rabbit hole. The problem will always be where to draw the line and who decides. For instance you constantly throw that word around with PP and I have never once agreed with you. What we should agree on is this new online harms bill has gone too far. Imprisoning people for life for words and being able to give people house arrest, not for a crime they did, but what they might or could possibly do in the future is nuts. Even far left Andrew Coyne thinks it's too far https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canadas-online-harms-act-is-revealing-itself-to-be-staggeringly/ So just so people realize what you're talking about, this is a bill in it's first reading. It's a long way before this becomes a law and it will be debated and amended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: Welcome to living in a society. "We" get to decide laws around activities that could endanger other people. You're no more entitled to guns than you are to drive drunk or build cars without seatbelts. It's "easy votes" because THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANT. Nobody is "tricking" us for votes. "Trudeau" didn't likely do much of anything other than be the sitting PM while a likely committee of MP'S, listened to and read a metric butt tonne of information from experts, read countless reports and deliberated on what to do. It's simply not how our government functions. When "we" decide to vote in the conservatives and they reverse all the liberals gun laws then that's just living a society. And if you think that they listened to a butt tonne of "experts" then I'm afraid we are too far off to ever agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Salmon Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 12 minutes ago, Bob Long said: So just so people realize what you're talking about, this is a bill in it's first reading. It's a long way before this becomes a law and it will be debated and amended. What people should realize is how far this government will go to trample on our rights. That is not a bill that should have ever have come out at all. Good thing the conservatives will scrap it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 9 minutes ago, Spring Salmon said: What people should realize is how far this government will go to trample on our rights. That is not a bill that should have ever have come out at all. Good thing the conservatives will scrap it Which ones and how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Which ones and how? Read the bill he is referring too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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