Canadian Politics Thread

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, LaBamba said:

. they use hate and stereotyping as a major talking point while implying that anyone who votes for a right wing government thinks the moon landing was fake and the earth is flat. (See the post I’m quoting)

Oh I missed this one.

 

Do you know a community of Bernier supporters like the poster you are countering?

I do, he is pretty bang on. 

[LaBamba]

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Interesting that you said that. I'm not right wing but have made enough bread and balony bundles to tuck away.(RTJ) .That said,  I do believe wealth hoarders are the worst thing for our world. I'm taking real money, the billionaires.

 

I know you rep thetraditional way of looking at the political spectrum but...

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/politics-in-canada-the-rich-equally-on-right-and-left-but-overall-most-people-in-centre

“People have a tendency to think that wealthier people are more to the right — but not in Canada,”

Everyone is in the centre, there is no argument there. The majority of the people who make posts on here describing a whimsical socialist utopia however are not. 

[LaBamba]

11 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Oh I missed this one.

 

Do you know a community of Bernier supporters like the poster you are countering?

I do, he is pretty bang on. 

Bern boy has very little support overall. This is how we know Canada’s most right wing government is still pretty left in comparison to the US. He is basically French Trump and has absolutely no chance of ever winning a seat. 

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, LaBamba said:

Dear god this is hilarious. If I came from outer space and scanned this post with my laser I would assume the conservatives have been in power for the last 8 years not these liberals you speak of who are fixing to revolt.
 

All of your wishes came true 8 years ago. Even without a majority you have the NDP to push your left wing agenda. You use fear of what could happen with a CPC majority as proof hahaha. This is just a huge turd of a post. 

 

 

Actually your post is the hilarious one. Doesn't actually address anything in my post, ignores the modern history of the Con party and their "platform". Good work.

[Jess]

38 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

A typo which I can't seem to fix. 

 

Something wrong with your username?

[aGENT]

14 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Everyone is in the centre, there is no argument there. The majority of the people who make posts on here describing a whimsical socialist utopia however are not. 

 

Nobody is attempting to make a "whimsical socialist Utopia" . Ridiculous hyperbole.

 

We're aiming for better. That's it. Nordic countries aren't Utopias. They still have crime, drug problems, homelessness etc, etc. But you know what they are? 

 

You're making perfect, the enemy of good.

[Optimist Prime]

13 hours ago, TheBearded1 said:

A side note on the far right:

 

My left of leaning self married a right-leaning gal....well, she and her family are like Max Bernier right....so, ya it's interesting.  In fact, most of the area are Max Bernier fans. I'd say most, if not all, of these people have the following characteristics:  

 

1.  Support Trump

2.  Anit Vax (Plandemic)

3.  Earth is possibly flat

4.  Moon landings are faked

5.  The Russia war is faked and Ukraine is full of Nazi's 

6.  mistrust of public healthcare 

7. etc. etc. etc.

 

I asked her WHY?     It comes from a deep and pervasive mistrust of experts, societal structures, media organizations, governments and their policies, and science in general.

 

For whatever reasons, they trust the "man on the street or the boots on the ground" more than they trust an outside entity reporting events.  They'd rather believe that someone is "for them, the people" than a media or societal organization they can't see through.  They believe the word of the common man more than they believe those in an "ivory tower".    

 

Likely, they've seen or heard a snippet of deceit, lie, shadiness, in one or more "official" government or societal structure and therefore can't or won't trust any of them.   They share FB memes and "articles" that already confirm their own biases like the Gospel and don't check the factual evidence behind these memes.  Of course, they say, "who's checking the fact checkers"?....I do see their point.   

 

A basic level of trust is needed I suppose.  

 

 

 

a good friend and old highschool flame of mine shares all these traits but one more: she is incredibly not bright (being kind, the unkind way to put it is she is dumb as bricks. just barely graduated math and english by the skin of her teeth and zero post secondary, took up cleaning houses for a living and has been doing so for 30 years), and being not bright, she admits to not knowing if anyone like Bonny Henry or Fauchi is telling the truth or if the "internet is right". She thinks most likely the internet is right becuase why would so many people on the internet lie? It is more likely the 2 or 3 on TV are lying. That is how she said it to me over breakfast one day last month as we were catching up with each others lives. She leans heavy into conspiracy theories of all kinds, not just about the 'plandemic'. So I would add to your list, anecdotally, low education and low income perhaps? Might not be a correlation to income as my very well off brother in law is also incredibly antivax and thinks the moon landing is fake and maybe the earth is flat...I just don't get these people at all. Life is hard enough without denying reality.

[Boudrias]

16 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

 

Something wrong with your username?

I missed the 's' in Boudrias and it now reads Broudria. Cannot fix it? I don't want to disrespect on of the best centers the Canucks ever iced, Andre Boudrias. 

[King Heffy]

Just now, Boudrias said:

I missed the 's' in Boudrias and it now reads Broudria. Cannot fix it? I don't want to disrespect on of the best centers the Canucks ever iced, Andre Boudrias. 

Whoosh

[Ralph.]

Looks like it's been fixed, @Boudrias

[LaBamba]

19 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

Actually your post is the hilarious one. Doesn't actually address anything in my post, ignores the modern history of the Con party and their "platform". Good work.

So what is the policy in the conservative platform that’s fixing to demolish social well-being of Canadians are you talking about. And explain how on earth that policy will override the NDP and Liberals vote? Our government needs to be steered towards the centre. That is quite evident. The results of this are what we are living in now. The sentiment is changing. The Centre is beginning to lean more and more right because the left isn’t executing. If it wasn’t for a poorly selected CPC leader it wouldn’t even be a contest in the next election. 

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

So what is the policy in the conservative platform that’s fixing to demolish social well-being of Canadians are you talking about. And explain how on earth that policy will override the NDP and Liberals vote? Our government needs to be steered towards the centre. That is quite evident. The results of this are what we are living in now. The sentiment is changing. The Centre is beginning to lean more and more right because the left isn’t executing. If it wasn’t for a poorly selected CPC leader it wouldn’t even be a contest in the next election. 

What is needed is a fiscally responsible party without the social conservative garbage.  Electing a monster as evil as PP who is attempting to inflict his barbaric views on the rest of the country is not a solution.

[Gurn]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/blinken-raised-sikh-separatist-murder-with-india-s-jaishankar-us-official-says/ar-AA1hqwvs?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=bbb281653f5f49e3adc157a3736197be&ei=22

"WASHINGTON/OTTAWA (Reuters) -U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken urged India to cooperate with a Canadian investigation into the murder of a Sikh separatist during a meeting with Indian foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar on Thursday, a U.S. official said.

 

Speaking in Quebec earlier on Thursday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who has alleged an Indian role in the killing, said he was certain that Blinken would broach the issue with Jaishankar.

India has dismissed Canada's allegations as absurd, and ties have become strained with both governments expelling a diplomat in a tit-for-tat move.

"Blinken raised the Canadian matter in his meeting, (and) urged the Indian government to cooperate with Canada’s investigation," the U.S. official said, though a State Department statement made no mention of the issue.

Trudeau told parliament earlier this month that Canada suspected Indian government agents were linked to the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar in the province of British Columbia in June.

Nijjar was a Canadian citizen but India had declared him a "terrorist." He supported the cause of Khalistan, or an independent homeland for Sikhs to be carved out of India.

Traditional Canadian allies, including the United States, have appeared to take a cautious approach to the matter. Political analysts have said this is partly because Washington and other major players see India as a counterweight to the growing influence of China.

Blinken met Jaishankar on Thursday afternoon in Washington. Asked directly whether Blinken would bring up the case, Trudeau replied: "The Americans will certainly discuss this matter with the Indian government."

The U.S. State Department's formal statement on its website after Blinken met his Indian counterpart made no mention of Nijjar's murder or of Canada as a whole.

A short State Department summary of the issues discussed in the meeting between Blinken and Jaishankar, formally called a readout, listed points like India's G20 presidency, the creation of an India-Middle East-Europe corridor and topics like defense, space and clean energy.

Jaishankar said on Tuesday that New Delhi has told Canada it was open to looking into any "specific" or "relevant" information it provides on the killing.

Trudeau, who is yet to publicly share any evidence, said last week he has shared the "credible allegations" with India "many weeks ago."

Blinken and U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said last week the United States was "deeply concerned" about the allegations raised by Trudeau.

The U.S. ambassador to Canada told Canadian television that some information on the case had been gathered by the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, which includes the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK.

[Jess]

10 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I missed the 's' in Boudrias and it now reads Broudria. Cannot fix it? I don't want to disrespect on of the best centers the Canucks ever iced, Andre Boudrias. 

 

I don't see an issue on my end:

 

[Johngould21]

10 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

What is needed is a fiscally responsible party without the social conservative garbage.  Electing a monster as evil as PP who is attempting to inflict his barbaric views on the rest of the country is not a solution.

The fact is PP hasn't said anything about what he would do if elected, nada. His base is eating all his non statements up like gravy. He simply doesn't have any solutions.

[LaBamba]

20 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

Nobody is attempting to make a "whimsical socialist Utopia" . Ridiculous hyperbole.

 

We're aiming for better. That's it. Nordic countries aren't Utopias. They still have crime, drug problems, homelessness etc, etc. But you know what they are? 

 

You're making perfect, the enemy of good.

Norway has 5million people. Their sovereign wealth was created with oil. You can tax the rich and the corporations all you like, that formula will never pay for social programs. Because the capital will just go to a country where their money can grow. We will still buy that product and they will not lose any market share. 
The only weapons we have in Canada to pay for social spending is tax and borrowing. We increase the corporate tax our revenue increases immediately but long term it stagnates or contracts due to poor conditions for small businesses and corporations. The only growth we see is coming from the inflated housing market. The housing market is inflated due to a labour shortage and a supply chain disruption. All of those factors will be exacerbated with taxation. If we continue to borrow money we devalue our currency. This formula is how countries go broke. We have nothing tangible backing our dollar. There is nothing on the table from the liberal government that address any of this. They just continue to make promises to those who are struggling without addressing the root cause of the struggle. It’s all reactionary politics. 

[LaBamba]

15 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

What is needed is a fiscally responsible party without the social conservative garbage.  Electing a monster as evil as PP who is attempting to inflict his barbaric views on the rest of the country is not a solution.

He will never have the power to inflict any of that due to the official or unofficial coalition. The likely dynamics would look like a liberal party in the middle with the CPC pulling on one side and the NDP on the other. IMO this would be a healthy government and a more centralized way we create policy. The majority of Canadians are in the centre and this would restore that balance. 

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

He will never have the power to inflict any of that due to the official or unofficial coalition. The likely dynamics would look like a liberal party in the middle with the CPC pulling on one side and the NDP on the other. IMO this would be a healthy government and a more centralized way we create policy. The majority of Canadians are in the centre and this would restore that balance. 

That's fine.  What needs to be avoided at all costs is a CPC majority.

[moosehead]

A quick look back through Canadian history reveals Canada is always best served by a Liberal Minority government.

 

 

[LaBamba]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

That's fine.  What needs to be avoided at all costs is a CPC majority.

They cannot ever have a true majority. 

[moosehead]

6 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

They cannot ever have a true majority. 

 

Yes, there is only so many lifted pick up trucks in Canada.........

[LaBamba]

1 minute ago, moosehead said:

 

Yes, there is only so many lifted pick up trucks in Canada.........

Hey, I’m annoyed by the Alberta douchebag just as much as the next guy. I hate JT too but the F trudeau bumper stickers are offensive and classless. I can honestly say that they are the group in Canada that is driving us apart. Most of us are in the middle leaning one way or the other. We could walk past each other or even interact without ever knowing each other’s political views. When you drive around with Canadian flags and offensive clothing or bumper stickers you’re telling everyone around you that your opinion is all that matters. You only look at the world through your white Oakley sunglass. You try to look intimidating with your tattoos and your pittbull named Loki to push boundaries. That’s not the majority though. They’re just so loud and obnoxious that it’s all you can see. 

[moosehead]

5 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Hey, I’m annoyed by the Alberta douchebag just as much as the next guy. I hate JT too but the F trudeau bumper stickers are offensive and classless. I can honestly say that they are the group in Canada that is driving us apart. Most of us are in the middle leaning one way or the other. We could walk past each other or even interact without ever knowing each other’s political views. When you drive around with Canadian flags and offensive clothing or bumper stickers you’re telling everyone around you that your opinion is all that matters. You only look at the world through your white Oakley sunglass. You try to look intimidating with your tattoos and your pittbull named Loki to push boundaries. That’s not the majority though. They’re just so loud and obnoxious that it’s all you can see. 

 

I used to be proud of the Canadian flag.    Now the Canadian flag is a symbol for Canadian Qanon supporters. / racists / anti vaxers.........    

 

Sad. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by moosehead

[LaBamba]

29 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

I used to be proud of the Canadian flag.    Now the Canadian flag is a symbol for Canadian Qanon supporters. / racists / anti vaxers.........    

 

Sad. 

Dude, I use to fly a Canadian flag on my boat on Canada Day and I’d deck out my house in Canada everything. I have cheesy ass Canada flag swimming shorts. I only played Canadian music on that day. Had a poutine party with all my friends. I use to go all out. My kids were like, “why aren’t you celebrating Canada Day this year” and I said that a few people ruined it for the rest of us. That is actually a great example of how much influence that small group of people have had on our culture. They disgraced the terry fox statue like he was some kind of a joke. I’ll never get over that. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by LaBamba

[Johngould21]

50 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

I used to be proud of the Canadian flag.    Now the Canadian flag is a symbol for Canadian Qanon supporters. / racists / anti vaxers.........    

 

Sad. 

Same with us, we used to fly the flag from our sundeck, but when I saw the trucker convoy flying the maple leaf I thought, there goes Canada.