bolt Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Here's the thing. What if they drop a list and it contains more cons than libs? What then? What would they say? The irony is Pierre would HAVE these names if he'd actually gotten security clearance like he's entitled to but refused So take the side of the clowns who compromised Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, bolt said: You love defending corrupt politicians. Always an excuse for liberal ineptness and corruption Go away with this crap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 9 minutes ago, Ralph. said: Pretty much my same response as to Rup. I don't mean to suggest whole parties are being influenced by foreign agents, but there's clearly smoke here. I think it begs the question: what happens if it (hypothetically) goes so far the government can't – or won't – fix itself? That's why we have elections. We need to get more involved than we currently are in selecting candidates, we've become lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted June 6 Popular Post Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, bolt said: So take the side of the clowns who compromised Canada? Oh so you hate Canada now? See what i did there, the exact same thing you just did. See how stupid that sounds. Think about that 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Here's the thing. I've made my position very clear. The individuals under investigation need to be removed from their positions and suspended immediately. MPS go to ground frequently and it's almost summer break so it isn't like they'll miss much. Unless it's a vote of national importance they need to be removed from their positions until such time as it is confirmed they are innocent or guilty and are not in fact subverting our democratic systems. That being said. As it is under rcmp/csis investigation the individuals in question have the right to the same judicial processes as anyone else and as such it is common practice to not name the individual during the investigation. So since the Cons claim to be the party of law and order they should know better. If Pierre was smart he'd hike his ass to where it needs to be and get the security clearance a standing leader of a party is entitled to but he has not and will not. So his screeching about this about not knowing the names is a situation entirely of his making. He'd know EXACTLY who they were if he did his fucking ob instead of whining about precedent because the RCMP removed a bunch of hillbillies and whiners from parliament hill after occupying the capitol for weeks. Too long didn't read? The MPs need to be suspended. The RCMP and individuals in question have every right to keep the names under wraps. The opposition leader could get the names but refuses to get clearance making his noises a problem of his own making 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 20 minutes ago, bolt said: You love defending corrupt politicians. Always an excuse for liberal ineptness and corruption This post is an example of talking without listening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Here's the thing. What if they drop a list and it contains more cons than libs? What then? What would they say? The irony is Pierre would HAVE these names if he'd actually gotten security clearance like he's entitled to but refused Pretty sure they know the names. Someone in the Conservative party with security clearance has them. I doubt they would be screaming for the names if there were more cons than libs. Remember, the Liberals are the ones who control the government. As such, foreign entities would want to be connected to them moreso than an opposition party with no control of government... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: This post is an example of talking without listening. The Sound of Silence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: The Sound of Silence... Not a bad song but what do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 21 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Here's the thing. What if they drop a list and it contains more cons than libs? What then? What would they say? The irony is Pierre would HAVE these names if he'd actually gotten security clearance like he's entitled to but refused And what action could Pierre take if he got those names from the security clearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, Satchmo said: Not a bad song but what do you mean? Your post reminded me of the song. Actually, it's people talking without speaking, and people hearing without listening. Seems appropriate for this thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 4 minutes ago, bolt said: And what action could Pierre take if he got those names from the security clearance? Post them on CFF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Pretty sure they know the names. Someone in the Conservative party with security clearance has them. I doubt they would be screaming for the names if there were more cons than libs. Remember, the Liberals are the ones who control the government. As such, foreign entities would want to be connected to them moreso than an opposition party with no control of government... The NDP control the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 20 minutes ago, Satchmo said: This post is an example of talking without listening. I would have gone with verbal diarrhea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bure_Pavel Posted June 6 Popular Post Share Posted June 6 Once they collect sufficient evidence, which they should be close as this investigation has gone on for approx. a year now. They need to come down hard on these individuals no matter what party they represent to set an example for future MP's. Treason is not tolerated, I would be good with life in prison if there is hard evidence of selling our secrets or taking payments from other governments. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 14 minutes ago, bolt said: And what action could Pierre take if he got those names from the security clearance? If Pierre had those names and had security clearance this would be an amazing amount of leverage and power if the majority of those names are in fact Liberals/NDP or Bloc members. In political theatre knowledge is power. The more you know the more power and leverage you have. Moving towards an election being able to say we know full well that it was [insert party name here] that was engaging in these actions only certifies a majority win. How is this not abundantly clear to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: Once they collect sufficient evidence, which they should be close as this investigation has gone on for approx. a year now. They need to come down hard on these individuals no matter what party they represent to set an example for future MP's. Treason is not tolerated, I would be good with life in prison if there is hard evidence of selling our secrets or taking payments from other governments. Life in prison? Fuck that. Retroactive penalties including a recouping of every dime taxpayers have given them for their time as a sitting member of parliament up to and including selling their homes and assets. Beggar the entire fucking family. THEN imprison them. Prison in Canada is kind of a joke. But the moment you take that comfort away from them and their kids and their family now you're talking. Sell homes. Freeze and seize bank accounts. Cars. Art and more. Oh that was for your kids college fund? Sucks to suck we don't know if it came from taxpayers or foreign agents. The fundamental issue with punishment in Canada and much of the west is that it is so lax there is very little fear for anyone who would commit these same acts later if the punishment is not harsh. Cuba is a good example (irony I know) because of the locals fuck with the money, the touristas, the individual goes missing. Their family goes missing. Their gd dog goes missing. You'd be FAR less likely to commit a crime knowing that you'd be in prison and your wife/husband and kids would be stripped of everything and essentially forced on to welfare to survive. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Moving towards an How is this not abundantly clear to you? A security clearance means you're not allowed to talk about it publically at all. Nothing would change regarding MP punishment. Edited June 6 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Life in prison? Fuck that. Retroactive penalties including a recouping of every dime taxpayers have given them for their time as a sitting member of parliament up to and including selling their homes and assets. Beggar the entire fucking family. THEN imprison them. Prison in Canada is kind of a joke. But the moment you take that comfort away from them and their kids and their family now you're talking. Sell homes. Freeze and seize bank accounts. Cars. Art and more. Oh that was for your kids college fund? Sucks to suck we don't know if it came from taxpayers or foreign agents. The fundamental issue with punishment in Canada and much of the west is that it is so lax there is very little fear for anyone who would commit these same acts later if the punishment is not harsh. Cuba is a good example (irony I know) because of the locals fuck with the money, the touristas, the individual goes missing. Their family goes missing. Their gd dog goes missing. You'd be FAR less likely to commit a crime knowing that you'd be in prison and your wife/husband and kids would be stripped of everything and essentially forced on to welfare to survive. Does Canada do that though, we are more of a slap on the wrist country after a dragged out 5 year court case. Life in prison in a maximum security facility is probably best we can hope for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, bolt said: A security clearance means you're not allowed to talk about it publically at all. Nothing would change regarding MP punishment. Security clearance means you know everything the investigating force does and don't have to demand information from parliament. You can absolutely talk about eerything but naming the individuals or essentially giving out any seriously identifying iformation. Tomorrow Trudeau could come and say "we know you want more information but we can't give you that due to the investigation; what we can do is tell you it was 7 Libs 7 cons 2 NDP and a Bloc member and that's it" and he'd be absolutely ok in doing just that. Pierre having this knowledge IF he got his clearance would be allowed to do the same. The issue is, he was already questioned about foreign interference in Conservative leadership issues. He shut his lips. He refused to speak about it. Why? Why is this different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, Bure_Pavel said: Does Canada do that though, we are more of a slap on the wrist country after a dragged out 5 year court case. Life in prison in a maximum security facility is probably best we can hope for. We are not that country. Nobody in the west is that country. If they were numerous US politicians would have faced the axe over the last 40 years. But we SHOULD be that country. We SHOULD be punishing people for their crimes in ways that do not mean 3 hots and a cot at taxpayer expense for decades. This does not necessarily mean the death penalty, but it does mean that creative punishments to deter people should absolutely be up for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 6 minutes ago, bolt said: A security clearance means you're not allowed to talk about it publically at all. Nothing would change regarding MP punishment. So you understand that there's reasons for why public disclosure can be harmful. Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 19 minutes ago, King Heffy said: So you understand that there's reasons for why public disclosure can be harmful. Good. Should have never been in this situation at all. Why should any of the Mps responsible be called honorable? Edited June 6 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 So if PP won the leadership due to China interference in the race, shouldn't he be disqualified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: So if PP won the leadership due to China interference in the race, shouldn't he be disqualified? Nevermind the US right wing, which has been a problem dating back to the NEP. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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