RupertKBD Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, Warhippy said: There is still every chance that the Liberals lean on the NDP to get some sort of electoral reform done. if nothing else to remove the first past the post laws that give leading majorities such a leg up in elections. There is also the chance that the party decides their long term health is more important than Trudeau's ego. But there is some serious bad air around the party right now so I agree and I have said it a few times. The Conservatives will most certainly be the next leading party in canada and Pierre the PM. Which is why asking how or why they will be better and what their plan is to make things better than "oil, screw provincial rights, corporate tax breaks, axe the carbon tax" will be I might also add that in BC and a few other places; "axing the tax" will do literally nothing as our carbon tax is provincial and has been in place since around 2006 or 2008. The suggestion that things will get cheaper because oil producers or fuel importers won't be taxed federally is a joke. The prices at the pump here will not change because any amount of savings that a federal carbon tax repeal will garner will not be passed on to us peasants, but instead remain and just become yet more profit for oil and gas companies Agree pretty much across the board, Hip. I'm assuming you knew my last line was sarcasm though, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: There is still every chance that the Liberals lean on the NDP to get some sort of electoral reform done. if nothing else to remove the first past the post laws that give leading majorities such a leg up in elections. not this time, Elections Canada has said there isn't time to change for the upcoming election. Now, maybe you could light a fire under them somehow, but it seems like a done deal for now. 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: There is also the chance that the party decides their long term health is more important than Trudeau's ego. It'll be his decision. 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: But there is some serious bad air around the party right now so I agree and I have said it a few times. The Conservatives will most certainly be the next leading party in canada and Pierre the PM. Which is why asking how or why they will be better and what their plan is to make things better than "oil, screw provincial rights, corporate tax breaks, axe the carbon tax" will be I might also add that in BC and a few other places; "axing the tax" will do literally nothing as our carbon tax is provincial and has been in place since around 2006 or 2008. The suggestion that things will get cheaper because oil producers or fuel importers won't be taxed federally is a joke. The prices at the pump here will not change because any amount of savings that a federal carbon tax repeal will garner will not be passed on to us peasants, but instead remain and just become yet more profit for oil and gas companies Skippy won't do anything to improve the county. He'll cut some programs, and anything like oil, natural gas and housing projects currently underway will complete during his term and he'll simply take credit for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: Agree pretty much across the board, Hip. I'm assuming you knew my last line was sarcasm though, right? I absolutely knew it was sarcasm. I keep pointing this out to those in my life that are loud Conservative types. They still believe that somehow someway that life will magically get better but forget that our LNG and electricity are all BC based and that all of our oil/gas still comes in across the border for the Okanagan Valley Vancouver Island and Lower Mainland from the Cherry Point facilities in Washington across the BC border which subjects all of the "wins" to our provincial carbon tax. Much like the HST. When it came in, everything went up 5% overnight. When it left everything stayed 5% more expensive. Who pocketed that 5% do you think ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 10 minutes ago, Bob Long said: not this time, Elections Canada has said there isn't time to change for the upcoming election. Now, maybe you could light a fire under them somehow, but it seems like a done deal for now. It'll be his decision. Skippy won't do anything to improve the county. He'll cut some programs, and anything like oil, natural gas and housing projects currently underway will complete during his term and he'll simply take credit for it. It would have to be an immediate item of note and pushed through asap after the summer break. We know it won't happen but it's their 2nd best chance after a Trudeau replacement. Trudeau is to arrogant to step down. I've said it's ego v ego with trudeau vs pierre and neither really cares about the nation as much as they do their legacy Skippy won't. We know that. We've seen 20+ years of him in office, 15 of which he was a high profile individual in the Conservative ranks, answering for Harper in the house and holding secretarial standings for numerous cabinet positions. We've seen his voting record, we've seen his spending excesses and we've seen he's no different than the Liberals he's whining about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, Warhippy said: It would have to be an immediate item of note and pushed through asap after the summer break. We know it won't happen but it's their 2nd best chance after a Trudeau replacement. Trudeau is to arrogant to step down. I've said it's ego v ego with trudeau vs pierre and neither really cares about the nation as much as they do their legacy I don't think he is arrogant to the point of destroying the party, but I could be wrong. A fast leadership contest once parliament is officially shut down for the summer would be nice, I don't see any reason for it to be longer than 4 weeks, and if Carney is running it'll pretty much be a coronation. My concern is Jag... would be bow to pressure to hold an early election or not? I hope he's not that stupid and wants his program wins to take root, but hard to say. Just now, Warhippy said: Skippy won't. We know that. We've seen 20+ years of him in office, 15 of which he was a high profile individual in the Conservative ranks, answering for Harper in the house and holding secretarial standings for numerous cabinet positions. We've seen his voting record, we've seen his spending excesses and we've seen he's no different than the Liberals he's whining about. Skippy is a tit, literally has no original thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Polls open today in an important Ontario by-election which some say will be the perfect metric as to whether the Liberals have any hope at all in a riding they've held for decades. People interviewed had interesting comments about not trusting Poiliverre but also how they felt the Liberals were a lost cause under Trudeau and how he needs to step down I am in the loop of some party communications, turnout will be low as per byelections, we think we will win it, tightly, nothing certain though, will be a squeaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Sigh.....because of course he did An Ontario Conservative MP's use of ChatGPT to share incorrect information online about Canada's capital gains tax rate offers a cautionary tale to politicians looking to use AI to generate messages, one expert says. MP Ryan Williams posted last week on X (formerly known as Twitter) an AI-generated ranking of G7 countries and their capital gains tax rates. The list appeared to have been generated by ChatGPT — an artificial intelligence-based virtual assistant — and falsely listed Canada's capital gains tax rate as 66.7 per cent. The ChatGPT logo was shown in the screenshot Williams posted. The post has since been deleted. The Liberal government's increase to the capital gains inclusion rate — the amount of capital gains that are considered taxable income — has become a new point of attack for the Conservatives since the party voted against the change earlier this month. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre posted a nearly 16-minute online video about the change. But the capital gains inclusion rate and tax rate are two different things. The inclusion rate is the portion of the capital gain subject to tax; capital gains tax rates themselves vary depending on income. A capital gain is the difference between an asset's cost and its total sale price. That asset could be a cottage, an investment property, a stock or a mutual fund. In Canada, primary residences are not included under the capital gains tax. The changes that take effect Tuesday will raise the inclusion rate for individuals from 50 per cent to 66.7 per cent for capital gains above $250,000. For the first $250,000 in capital gains, only $125,000 is taxable. Two-thirds of every dollar beyond $250,000 will be taxable. Federal income tax rates are then applied to those amounts. For corporations, there will be no $250,000 threshold. Two-thirds of all capital gains earned by corporations and trusts will be taxable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: It would have to be an immediate item of note and pushed through asap after the summer break. We know it won't happen but it's their 2nd best chance after a Trudeau replacement. Trudeau is to arrogant to step down. I've said it's ego v ego with trudeau vs pierre and neither really cares about the nation as much as they do their legacy Skippy won't. We know that. We've seen 20+ years of him in office, 15 of which he was a high profile individual in the Conservative ranks, answering for Harper in the house and holding secretarial standings for numerous cabinet positions. We've seen his voting record, we've seen his spending excesses and we've seen he's no different than the Liberals he's whining about. I've said much the same regarding Justin, but I have to wonder how that tracks in his mind? At this point, it looks like he's going to get destroyed, so why does he cling to the leadership of the Liberals? It would be very easy to say, I'm stepping down to focus on my family / pursue other interests, etc.... not only would he save face, but he'd give the party a fighting chance in the next election..... It seems like the alternative is a rather humiliating loss to a demonstrably poor opponent, so I have to wonder how this benefits his ego? As Lewis Carroll said, "Curiouser and curiouser".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: I've said much the same regarding Justin, but I have to wonder how that tracks in his mind? At this point, it looks like he's going to get destroyed, so why does he cling to the leadership of the Liberals? It would be very easy to say, I'm stepping down to focus on my family / pursue other interests, etc.... not only would he save face, but he'd give the party a fighting chance in the next election..... It seems like the alternative is a rather humiliating loss to a demonstrably poor opponent, so I have to wonder how this benefits his ego? As Lewis Carroll said, "Curiouser and curiouser".... He's kind of a broken man. he's living under his fathers legacy no matter what. He's incredibly proud. he's been widely and openly mocked and his marriage has failed him. His legacy/public image is about all he has left and that's not a good thing for him to lean on at the moment. Men under pressure or who are broken will commit to weird things 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Sigh.....because of course he did An Ontario Conservative MP's use of ChatGPT to share incorrect information online about Canada's capital gains tax rate offers a cautionary tale to politicians looking to use AI to generate messages, one expert says. MP Ryan Williams posted last week on X (formerly known as Twitter) an AI-generated ranking of G7 countries and their capital gains tax rates. The list appeared to have been generated by ChatGPT — an artificial intelligence-based virtual assistant — and falsely listed Canada's capital gains tax rate as 66.7 per cent. The ChatGPT logo was shown in the screenshot Williams posted. The post has since been deleted. The Liberal government's increase to the capital gains inclusion rate — the amount of capital gains that are considered taxable income — has become a new point of attack for the Conservatives since the party voted against the change earlier this month. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre posted a nearly 16-minute online video about the change. But the capital gains inclusion rate and tax rate are two different things. The inclusion rate is the portion of the capital gain subject to tax; capital gains tax rates themselves vary depending on income. A capital gain is the difference between an asset's cost and its total sale price. That asset could be a cottage, an investment property, a stock or a mutual fund. In Canada, primary residences are not included under the capital gains tax. The changes that take effect Tuesday will raise the inclusion rate for individuals from 50 per cent to 66.7 per cent for capital gains above $250,000. For the first $250,000 in capital gains, only $125,000 is taxable. Two-thirds of every dollar beyond $250,000 will be taxable. Federal income tax rates are then applied to those amounts. For corporations, there will be no $250,000 threshold. Two-thirds of all capital gains earned by corporations and trusts will be taxable. Setting the fake numbers aside, I have to take issue with the basic premise of the tweet.... Capital Gains taxation is not really an issue for "everyday Canadians".....unless MP Williams has a different definition of the phrase than I do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: Setting the fake numbers aside, I have to take issue with the basic premise of the tweet.... Capital Gains taxation is not really an issue for "everyday Canadians".....unless MP Williams has a different definition of the phrase than I do.... Yeah, personally I want this tax to be higher. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 24 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Setting the fake numbers aside, I have to take issue with the basic premise of the tweet.... Capital Gains taxation is not really an issue for "everyday Canadians".....unless MP Williams has a different definition of the phrase than I do.... It's a step towards socialism...says the guy who is part of a party in which their leader is promising direct government intervention in housing which is essentially socialism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 28 minutes ago, Warhippy said: He's kind of a broken man. he's living under his fathers legacy no matter what. He's incredibly proud. he's been widely and openly mocked and his marriage has failed him. His legacy/public image is about all he has left and that's not a good thing for him to lean on at the moment. Men under pressure or who are broken will commit to weird things If this is true and I'm his advisor he needed to be gone last year. Then again if it was the same advisors that told him to cancel electoral reform then it all tracks. Think that's part of the problem too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 30 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Yeah, personally I want this tax to be higher. Anyone whining about capital gains or a weath tax on those making more than $1 million a year need to understand that when you have that level of wealth, it is almost impossible to be poor again. Gates, Bezos and more have given away or lost half or more of their wealth numerous times in their lives and are still among the wealthiest people in the world. If I recall I think it is $54 million (?) is the metric for perpetual wealth as a net worth of $54 million ensures that a person can live off of the interest, savings, etc to the tune of almost a million a year or more with even the most basic of financial investments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: Setting the fake numbers aside, I have to take issue with the basic premise of the tweet.... Capital Gains taxation is not really an issue for "everyday Canadians".....unless MP Williams has a different definition of the phrase than I do.... rank and file con's are under the belief that this will effect them too someday. It's right out of the US playbook, convince the hoopleheads that they are rich too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 21 minutes ago, Bob Long said: rank and file con's are under the belief that this will effect them too someday. It's right out of the US playbook, convince the hoopleheads that they are rich too. President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 4 minutes ago, Gurn said: President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." There are some seriously sick buggers who get into politics. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bolt Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 hours ago, The Arrogant Worms said: So that explains the media during covid? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 20 minutes ago, bolt said: So that explains the media during covid? Alt media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 hours ago, Gurn said: President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Replace colored with Liberal / Woke / Socialist / DEI / Flavor of the day term from the outrage algorithm. History repeats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 10 hours ago, RupertKBD said: I've said much the same regarding Justin, but I have to wonder how that tracks in his mind? At this point, it looks like he's going to get destroyed, so why does he cling to the leadership of the Liberals? It would be very easy to say, I'm stepping down to focus on my family / pursue other interests, etc.... not only would he save face, but he'd give the party a fighting chance in the next election..... It seems like the alternative is a rather humiliating loss to a demonstrably poor opponent, so I have to wonder how this benefits his ego? As Lewis Carroll said, "Curiouser and curiouser".... Not sure about his ego. But I know that those who dislike him and are yelling in a vacuum seem to think the outcome is a foregone conclusion based on seven or 8 months polling out of 9 years time. Internally we don't see it that wide come summer 2025. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Also, Leslie Church leading by 600ish votes while counting continues Now 700ish with 93.75 % of the votes in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whorvat Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 5 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: Also, Leslie Church leading by 600ish votes while counting continues Now 700ish with 93.75 % of the votes in. Not so fast.. Conservatives win. Bye bye Turdeau 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 35 minutes ago, Whorvat said: Not so fast.. Conservatives win. Bye bye Turdeau I'm shocked I tell ya! Shocked! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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