Canadian Politics Thread

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, BabyCakes said:

LOL, lets make this a politics issue rather than face the truth. Jesus, can't somebody criticize the left without being accused of being right? Really?

 

No wonder why there is push back.

 

What, you "won" because I'm critical of a party and are label me a certain way to win politically?

 

 

You're surprised that things are political issues in the Canadian politics thread?   The truth of the matter is that electing vermin like Poilivre will only make the problems worse.

[BabyCakes]

LOL I'm out, any dissenting position from you guys is quite futile.

 

Never said I was conservative and I'm not, but am critical of our liberal government but I get pure hate from that.

 

You guys talk about how divided politics is but it's always the other person, but when the rubber hits the road, you guys are tribal.

 

 

[Satchmo]

Just now, BabyCakes said:

You guys talk about how divided politics is but it's always the other person

 

 

Not always.

[RupertKBD]

6 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

whats going on? interim polling? with that and $3 you can ride the bus my dude. 

 

$3 dollars ?????

 

[Warhippy]

5 minutes ago, BabyCakes said:

LOL I'm out, any dissenting position from you guys is quite futile.

 

Never said I was conservative and I'm not, but am critical of our liberal government but I get pure hate from that.

 

You guys talk about how divided politics is but it's always the other person, but when the rubber hits the road, you guys are tribal.

 

 

We're all being critical of our government.  We're all wanting Trudeau to step down.  We all know at this point it's a foregone conclusion Pierre will be the next PM.

 

But you're not the victim here.  Telling people they don't know what they're talking about or aren't realistic or living in the real world doesn't jive with people.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, BabyCakes said:

LOL I'm out, any dissenting position from you guys is quite futile.

 

Never said I was conservative and I'm not, but am critical of our liberal government but I get pure hate from that.

 

You guys talk about how divided politics is but it's always the other person, but when the rubber hits the road, you guys are tribal.

 

 

You play the victim like a conservative so well though. Everyone in this thread has been debating you in good faith. Chill out

[Bure_Pavel]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

None of Pierres jobs were as an adult.  A paper boy?  Dude...a collections agent?  Seriously, that is not a positive.

 

If we're going to compare ok.

 

Trudeau was a teacher.  A snowboard/ski instructor.  He was the manager/head of two separate national programs for youth.  As an adult.

 

If we are comparing the apple to the orange here one of them is actually technically ripe while the other is just ripe.

Drama teacher, snowboard/ski instructor, and chair of two non profits youth charities. Not great considering all these positions were spoon fed to him because of who his daddy was. At least PP was able to make something of himself from a humble beginning. 

[Warhippy]

Just now, Bure_Pavel said:

Drama teacher, snowboard/ski instructor, and chair of two non profits youth charities. Not great considering all these positions were spoon fed to him because of who his daddy was. At least PP was able to make something of himself from a humble beginning. 

Make something?  he's been a hand picked politician since he was 16 years old....his entire life has been spent suckling on the teet of the taxpayer.  He's NEVER paid taxes on an actual day of work in his life.

 

Come on man, you absolutely know better

[Bure_Pavel]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Make something?  he's been a hand picked politician since he was 16 years old....his entire life has been spent suckling on the teet of the taxpayer.  He's NEVER paid taxes on an actual day of work in his life.

 

Come on man, you absolutely know better

Hand picked by who? From the sounds of it he worked pretty hard to get his foot in the door and was the youngest MP in the house of commons at the time. Politician isnt a respectable career, but he has had a very successful political career so far.

Edited Thursday at 11:45 PM by Bure_Pavel

[Warhippy]

46 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Hand picked by who? From the sounds of it he worked pretty hard to get his foot in the door and was the youngest MP in the house of commons at the time. Politician isnt a respectable career, but he has had a very successful political career so far.

He has a history that is easily looked up.  He wrought a very clear story regarding what he would do if he was PM.  He then got hand picked by the Manning foundation/manning and was essentially gifted a riding nomination.

 

This is all a matter of public record.

 

But ok.  A successful career as nothing more than a politician is somehow more qualified to be part of the majority than someone who even with mediocre jobs still actually paid big boy taxes and worked a 9-5

 

I struggle with anyone claiming to be successful while suckling at the public teet for their entire adult life

[Gnarcore]

1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Drama teacher, snowboard/ski instructor, and chair of two non profits youth charities. Not great considering all these positions were spoon fed to him because of who his daddy was. At least PP was able to make something of himself from a humble beginning. 

The snowboard instructor job wasn't. It is fucking Whistler..they'd hire anyone off the street with the proper cert then and now. 

[Ricky Ravioli]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

The government doesn't control the price of housing.

 

That's not a gotcha statement that's an inarguable fact.  people who keep blaming the price of housing on the government or on immigration and NOT on corporations that have been using housing as a line item on a balance sheet since 2008, or on people that bought homes for investments that they couldnt afford without charging insane rates while at effectively zero interest are deluded.

Never said they did. What I said is the policy's they implement can have a direct or indirect affect on the housing availability and cost of said housing.

 

You are obviously entitled to your opinion but you have to know by now that not many are agreeing with that statement 

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Never said they did. What I said is the policy's they implement can have a direct or indirect affect on the housing availability and cost of said housing.

 

You are obviously entitled to your opinion but you have to know by now that not many are agreeing with that statement 

 

Like what? Give an example and how much it would change current inventory.

[Warhippy]

21 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Never said they did. What I said is the policy's they implement can have a direct or indirect affect on the housing availability and cost of said housing.

 

You are obviously entitled to your opinion but you have to know by now that not many are agreeing with that statement 

Who has a greater effect on supply? 

 

In order

 

Municipalities.  Provinces.  Federal government.

[Ricky Ravioli]

17 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Like what? Give an example and how much it would change current inventory.

What led to the housing crisis

A mix of historic policy responses, structural shifts, inflation flare-ups and irrational buying and selling butted against supply constraints, which took housing demand, prices and rent to unprecedented levels. Elements developed in a specific sequence that made the perfect storm in the housing market extremely powerful. Here’s how we got here in five phases.

 

Canada’s housing system generally worked well in the past, but the number of people struggling to enter the market grew in the decade before the pandemic, especially in Toronto and Vancouver.

 

The situation boiled over in the second half of the 2010s. The Bank of Canada’s 2015 rate cuts—to the second-lowest level (0.5%) in the modern era at the time—and the federal government’s pursuit of an expansive immigration policy magnified structural forces boosting housing demand. Millennials in their prime homebuying age and a secular decline in the size of households (in part due to an aging population) had set a strong undercurrent for some time. Vancouver and Toronto overheated mid-decade, causing prices to spiral upward and spark speculative activity (some of which was generated by non-residents).

 

However, overheating markets and spiraling prices in B.C. and Ontario in the second half of the 2010s prompted new policy action to cool activity and reduce financial system vulnerabilities. In 2016, the B.C. government introduced a 15% property transfer tax on foreign buyers of a home in Metro Vancouver. The city of Vancouver followed with a vacant property tax in 2017. That year, Ontario introduced the Fair Housing Plan, which included a 15% property transfer tax on foreign buyers in the Greater Golden Horseshoe region. And in 2018, the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions (OSFI) expanded the mortgage stress test to uninsured mortgages. All were essentially demand-side measures, and any cooling effect was short-lived. They didn’t address the fundamental imbalance between supply and demand with growth in housing stock falling well short of the number of households being formed. Home prices in B.C. and Ontario fully reversed their initial drop less than a year after new policy measures took effect.

 

 

The reopening of borders in the middle of 2021, however, brought in more people looking for a place to live.

At first, government logistical issues restricted the flow of newcomers. But it eventually turned into a wave of epic proportions in 2022 once federal agencies were able to clear large backlogs and process a spike in new migrant applications.

 

A flood of international students also played a big role in the dramatic increase in non-permanent residents. Tight provincial funding prompted many post-secondary institutions to admit more international students (who pay higher tuition fees) into their programs.

 

 

The federal government is taking steps to reduce immigration, but the measures will not shrink housing demand.

In November, it announced keeping the permanent immigration target in 2026 unchanged from 500,000 in 2025. This will still be up from the 2024 target level of 485,000. In January, the government further said it would cap the issuance of study permits for international students for two years starting in September 2024. And in March, it indicated it would reduce the proportion of temporary workers in Canada from 6.6% to 5% by 2027—which is a 20% decrease in the non-permanent resident population.

These measures will curb Canada’s record population growth in the years ahead, but average growth between now and 2030 will still be faster than in any of the 25 years before 2018.
Under our base-case projection, population growth would ease from a six-decade high of 3% in 2023 to about 1.3% by 2030. This would add 3.6 million more Canadians by 2030 (from 2023 levels), with much of the increase coming from new permanent residents. We estimate this would lead to the formation of 1.9 million new households over that period or an average of just over 275,000 per year. That’s a more than 15% increase from the 2016-2022 average. Demographic pressures on housing demand may come off the boil, but it won’t entirely subside anytime soon.

 

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/the-great-rebuild-seven-ways-to-fix-canadas-housing-shortage/

 

 

[Ricky Ravioli]

11 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Who has a greater effect on supply? 

 

In order

 

Municipalities.  Provinces.  Federal government.

Ahhh so we are finally admitting the federal government does play a roll. Nice

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

What led to the housing crisis

A mix of historic policy responses, structural shifts, inflation flare-ups and irrational buying and selling butted against supply constraints, which took housing demand, prices and rent to unprecedented levels. Elements developed in a specific sequence that made the perfect storm in the housing market extremely powerful. Here’s how we got here in five phases.

 

Canada’s housing system generally worked well in the past, but the number of people struggling to enter the market grew in the decade before the pandemic, especially in Toronto and Vancouver.

 

The situation boiled over in the second half of the 2010s. The Bank of Canada’s 2015 rate cuts—to the second-lowest level (0.5%) in the modern era at the time—and the federal government’s pursuit of an expansive immigration policy magnified structural forces boosting housing demand. Millennials in their prime homebuying age and a secular decline in the size of households (in part due to an aging population) had set a strong undercurrent for some time. Vancouver and Toronto overheated mid-decade, causing prices to spiral upward and spark speculative activity (some of which was generated by non-residents).

 

However, overheating markets and spiraling prices in B.C. and Ontario in the second half of the 2010s prompted new policy action to cool activity and reduce financial system vulnerabilities. In 2016, the B.C. government introduced a 15% property transfer tax on foreign buyers of a home in Metro Vancouver. The city of Vancouver followed with a vacant property tax in 2017. That year, Ontario introduced the Fair Housing Plan, which included a 15% property transfer tax on foreign buyers in the Greater Golden Horseshoe region. And in 2018, the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions (OSFI) expanded the mortgage stress test to uninsured mortgages. All were essentially demand-side measures, and any cooling effect was short-lived. They didn’t address the fundamental imbalance between supply and demand with growth in housing stock falling well short of the number of households being formed. Home prices in B.C. and Ontario fully reversed their initial drop less than a year after new policy measures took effect.

 

 

The reopening of borders in the middle of 2021, however, brought in more people looking for a place to live.

At first, government logistical issues restricted the flow of newcomers. But it eventually turned into a wave of epic proportions in 2022 once federal agencies were able to clear large backlogs and process a spike in new migrant applications.

 

A flood of international students also played a big role in the dramatic increase in non-permanent residents. Tight provincial funding prompted many post-secondary institutions to admit more international students (who pay higher tuition fees) into their programs.

 

 

The federal government is taking steps to reduce immigration, but the measures will not shrink housing demand.

In November, it announced keeping the permanent immigration target in 2026 unchanged from 500,000 in 2025. This will still be up from the 2024 target level of 485,000. In January, the government further said it would cap the issuance of study permits for international students for two years starting in September 2024. And in March, it indicated it would reduce the proportion of temporary workers in Canada from 6.6% to 5% by 2027—which is a 20% decrease in the non-permanent resident population.

These measures will curb Canada’s record population growth in the years ahead, but average growth between now and 2030 will still be faster than in any of the 25 years before 2018.
Under our base-case projection, population growth would ease from a six-decade high of 3% in 2023 to about 1.3% by 2030. This would add 3.6 million more Canadians by 2030 (from 2023 levels), with much of the increase coming from new permanent residents. We estimate this would lead to the formation of 1.9 million new households over that period or an average of just over 275,000 per year. That’s a more than 15% increase from the 2016-2022 average. Demographic pressures on housing demand may come off the boil, but it won’t entirely subside anytime soon.

 

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/the-great-rebuild-seven-ways-to-fix-canadas-housing-shortage/

 

 

 

Ok... So I don't see any big ideas in there on increasing supply. 

[Ricky Ravioli]

6 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Ok... So I don't see any big ideas in there on increasing supply. 

Never said I had that answer but nice deflection. Was just answering a question

 

Also if you read the article, they do give suggestions on how to relieve some pressure 

Edited Friday at 01:28 AM by Ricky Ravioli

[Warhippy]

9 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Ahhh so we are finally admitting the federal government does play a roll. Nice

Ahh so we're ignoring who actually approves housing at what levels in order to pretend that the feds have an excess amount of power they don't in places they never have.

 

Nice

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Never said I had that answer but nice deflection. Was just answering a question

 

What deflection? 

[the destroyer of worlds]

4 hours ago, BabyCakes said:

Yeah? Whats your point?

My response was to you complaining about subsidies for EVs  etc.

 

My point is we have been subsidizing big oil big time.  Then when they're done, they leave billions in environmental damage.  Hence the question about orphan well cleanup in Alberta.  Hint, it's in the billions. 

[Ricky Ravioli]

29 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

What deflection? 

There's a few suggestions literally in the article.

[Bob Long]

59 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

There's a few suggestions literally in the article.

 

Not really, there's nothing specific there. 

[Elias Pettersson]

4 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Who has a greater effect on supply? 

 

In order

 

Municipalities.  Provinces.  Federal government.

Supply is only 50% of the equation. Demand is the other 50%. Who has a greater effect on demand?  What causes demand to increase?  Hint. A greater population base and lower rates. Do municipalities control these things? 

[4petesake]

5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Supply is only 50% of the equation. Demand is the other 50%. Who has a greater effect on demand?  What causes demand to increase?  Hint. A greater population base and lower rates. Do municipalities control these things? 

 

And yet with short supply already Alberta is pushing the Feds for 10,000 new immigrants (Ukrainians.) Does Smith not understand supply and demand either and will she have this same fight with Poilievre? Or do some immigrants not increase demand?