Canadian Politics Thread

[Bob Long]

Just now, Whorvat said:

So its a free country until someone does something you disagree with. Mhm

 

such a cowardly position. You refusing to explain it speaks volumes.

 

And where did I say they didn't have a right to act like asshats, btw?

 

 

Just now, Whorvat said:

No fantasy, just facts. This is the kind of stuff you're into I guess

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/07/01/california-cops-stand-idle-pride-parade-pee-children-san-francisco-gay/

 

 

 

is that Canada?

[Whorvat]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

such a cowardly position. You refusing to explain it speaks volumes.

 

And where did I say they didn't have a right to act like asshats, btw?

 

 

 

is that Canada?

Your opinion that them waiving a flag makes them asshats, think that says a lot more about you than anything though. Par for the course for you.

 

Ah yes, that deflecting thing you're referring to. Gotcha. 

[Bob Long]

Just now, Whorvat said:

Your opinion that them waiving a flag makes them asshats, think that says a lot more about you than anything though. Par for the course for you.

 

so they have freedom of expression but I don't? how alt right of you. 

 

Just now, Whorvat said:

Ah yes, that deflecting thing you're referring to. Gotcha. 

 

you brought in some weird story from the US to make some misguided point about the Canadian left. Bring something more relevant. 

[Whorvat]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

so they have freedom of expression but I don't? how alt right of you. 

 

 

you brought in some weird story from the US to make some misguided point about the Canadian left. Bring something more relevant. 

They're not the ones complaining about people waiving the flag of the country, you are.

 

Carry on. Don't know why I engage in conversation with you in any thread, same shit different day with you.

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Whorvat said:

Your opinion that them waiving a flag makes them asshats

 

just explain to us the meaning of the upside down flag, if you have the spine.

[Warhippy]

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 

 

It's hilarious that he won't explain the meaning. What's the big secret? 

 

 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

Oh no a Canada flag, they must hate everyone, including the country

 

Am I doing this right? 

 

Maybe we should just make Canada day a pride celebration so everyone can get blowies in the streets and the lefties will rejoice

Grow up.  Seriously.  Don't be such a petulant waste.

When men and women are less than a block or so away from families celebrating our nation screaming about it being broken, yelling in to megaphones and waving F trudeau flags it's really clear.

 

 

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

People can display the flag however they want. Its you that has an issue with how its being done.

 

I can play this game too...

 

So you're saying you're for blow jobs in the streets in front of children?? Mighty lefty of you

Peopl can display it all they want, but it's those and this attitude that mean people won't be sure if those waving it love our nation or think it's some sort of liberal hell hole and broken beyond repair unless super pierre gets in to power and magically fixes everything overnight

 

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

So its a free country until someone does something you disagree with. Mhm

 

No fantasy, just facts. This is the kind of stuff you're into I guess

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/07/01/california-cops-stand-idle-pride-parade-pee-children-san-francisco-gay/

 

 

That's not Canada.  Stay on topic ok.  

 

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

Your opinion that them waiving a flag makes them asshats, think that says a lot more about you than anything though. Par for the course for you.

 

Ah yes, that deflecting thing you're referring to. Gotcha. 

Their actions made them those people, not the mere action of waving a flag but thanks for coming out

 

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

They're not the ones complaining about people waiving the flag of the country, you are.

 

Carry on. Don't know why I engage in conversation with you in any thread, same shit different day with you.

Ya, but you'll still keep coming back.

Edited Tuesday at 04:41 PM by Warhippy

[Warhippy]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

 

It's hilarious that he won't explain the meaning. What's the big secret? 

 

 

The secret is he has an inflatable pool and nobody will play with him?

 

I dont even know anymore

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The secret is he has an inflatable pool and nobody will play with him?

 

I dont even know anymore

 

I have freedoms, but don't point out the meaning of what we're doing?

 

I didn't see any of these morons this year, thankfully.

[112]

i can 'respect' someone who's fiscally conservative and votes federally for the conservatives in line with those beliefs (even though i don't see fiscal conservatism as it exists today in canada as a very intelligent ideology), but there's a large contingent of society that's leaning right primarily because they have social tendencies that way and hold either overt or covert views against the LGBT community broadly and/or against other minorities. i think too many of the "F*CK TRUDEAU" types fit into this description. i still don't know what 'woke' means except that it's generally the opposite of what seems progressive and compassionate to me. people will say that 'wokeism' is destroying the fabric of the country, when really it seems like they're just attacking intersectional thought and values which are considerate of the different struggles that marginalized people face -- and the idea that everyone should be able to participate in society and pursue happiness to the full extent possible within their abilities.

 

yeah, kink doesn't belong in pride, but what i see is that the kind of stuff the "F*CK TRUDEAU" groups tend to believe in has no place in the country whatsoever. they're most probably not going to have life any better under Poilievre but will feel vindicated for their anger once he's elected. they're going to be happy when he denies people the right to reasonable bail and crafts a law to prevent transgender individuals from using their appropriate washrooms. they're going to celebrate when people with substance use disorders are treated with greater contempt and have options of treatment closed to them. they're going to cheer at all of his social policy--social policy that i think will be bad although probably not to the extent that people like King Heffy believe--while understanding nothing about the economics of his rule beyond having this basic idea in their head that they're richer and better-off because 'tax go down.' i think largely the more extreme Poilievre supporters just have hatred in their hearts and want to see life become more difficult for those they have a prejudicial bend against. people in some way expect that a conservative government would 'crack down' on all the 'liberal ideology' 'being shoved down [their] throats.'

 

i don't know how to debate politics with people who think, e.g., SOGI doesn't belong in schools because it's grooming/brainwashing children, when our communities have an obligation to educate students on human rights, hate/prejudice, discrimination, and the normalcy of different sexualities and gender identities. i don't know how anyone would get through to people who are voting conservative (or PPC) because they have an issue with drag queen story-time. it seems largely that a country which has pretty typically, for the course of its history, voted along economic rather than social policy lines is degenerating into a country that doesn't understand this history -- and is scared of progressivism enough that it's letting the pendulum swing backwards with respect to a lot of the forward momentum that's been made culturally and politically on social issues and the rights of the marginalized. by all means, if you think a conservative government would right the economic ship, vote that way -- but if you're just interested in shifting the social overton window of the country to the right, i really think that's, idk, kind of rude?

 

this post is a bit tangential but at the end of the day i think it's pretty disingenuous to bring up pride in the same breath as the anti-Trudeau protesters. they're not the same thing. both 'sides' should be allowed to protest or celebrate however they want to within reason, but i really do think a movement based on tolerance, celebration and acceptance of harmless innate differences of people's human constitutions is much different than going out and protesting the government because you're unhappy your kids are learning about gay people in school.

[Sapper]

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

So its a free country until someone does something you disagree with. Mhm

 

No fantasy, just facts. This is the kind of stuff you're into I guess

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/07/01/california-cops-stand-idle-pride-parade-pee-children-san-francisco-gay/

 

 

Like I said ..... This new version of PP's conservatism should come with mental health warning labels

 

Screaming woke at everything they disagree with and declaring those apposed as leftists are ludicrous. Supporting Pride doesn't mean any person supports the equally ridiculous inferences your trying to create 

 

It is fact that the freedom klown convey movement used the Canadian flag in their protests and continues to over saturate it's use to create the image and messaging that they are Canada and Canada is then.

It's also fact many Canadians are reluctant to fly out flag now because of this.  Many Canadians feel the flag belongs to all of us and not just one political party and movement. Still others also believe in treating our flag with respect. That means not using it improperly or displaying it improperly.  Many of the klown convey violate many of those written and unwritten rules of decorum.

 

No Canadian flag should be the principal banner for protest , flown upside down, used in any manner that it intended to divide us or places the flag in a manner that Canadians would see it as disrespectful.

 

From upside flags to flags flown on vehicles to the point of disrepair , to using it to shove in people's face screaming about overthrow of the democracy......  Only the blind can't see how conservatives have weaponized our flag 

 

No Canadian should ever feel worried about flying out flag. The fear and concerns are real and rest solely at the feet of the conservative movement in Canada.

 

For me the last straw was a women screaming at me as I passed their protest because I wouldn't take a flag to wave and join them. I said I have that flag on my vet plates and wore it on my uniform - it's not a protest rag. She screamed I was no patriot and was a commie leftists 

 

Maybe if 364 days of the year it wasn't used in my community as the colors of the klown convey around town if feel different 

 

Like it or hate it .... It's everyone's democratic right to behave as such.  And my right to see the flag as being co-oped and diminished Is no less important than their right to use it for protest 

Edited Tuesday at 05:22 PM by Sapper

[Bob Long]

11 minutes ago, Sapper said:

Like I said ..... This new version of PP's conservatism should come with mental health warning labels

 

Screaming woke at everything they disagree with and declaring those apposed as leftists are ludicrous. Supporting Pride doesn't mean any person supports the equally ridiculous inferences your trying to create 

 

It is fact that the freedom klown convey movement used the Canadian flag in their protests and continues to over saturate it's use to create the image and messaging that they are Canada and Canada is then.

It's also fact many Canadians are reluctant to fly out flag now because of this.  Many Canadians feel the flag belongs to all of us and not just one political party and movement. Still others also believe in treating our flag with respect. That means not using it improperly or displaying it improperly.  Many of the klown convey violate many of those written and unwritten rules of decorum.

 

No Canadian flag should be the principal banner for protest , flown upside down, used in any manner that it intended to divide us or places the flag in a manner that Canadians would see it as disrespectful.

 

From upside flags to flags flown on vehicles to the point of disrepair , to using it to shove in people's face screaming about overthrow of the democracy......  Only the blind can't see how conservatives have weaponized our flag 

 

No Canadian should ever feel worried about flying out flag. The fear and concerns are real and rest solely at the feet of the conservative movement in Canada.

 

For me the last straw was a women screaming at me as I passed their protest because I wouldn't take a flag to wave and join them. I said I have that flag on my vet plates and wore it on my uniform - it's not a protest rag. She screamed I was no patriot and was a commie leftists 

 

Maybe if 364 days of the year it wasn't used in my community as the colors of the klown convey around town if feel different 

 

Like it or hate it .... It's everyone's democratic right to behave as such.  And my right to see the flag as being co-oped and diminished Is no less important than their right to use it for protest 

 

"What do you want the flag to mean" could be a powerful election ad for the libs.

 

Most people don't associate with the convoy weirdos. 

[Optimist Prime]

2 hours ago, 112 said:

 i still don't know what 'woke' means except that it's generally the opposite of what seems progressive and compassionate to me. people will say that 'wokeism' is destroying the fabric of the country, when really it seems like they're just attacking intersectional thought and values which are considerate of the different struggles that marginalized people face -- and the idea that everyone should be able to participate in society and pursue happiness to the full extent possible within their abilities.

I am pretty sure it is just an insult towards progressive ideas and the people who espouse them. 

 

for me "Defund the police" was a 'woke' idea in that it deserved ridicule because it was an inarticulate catch phrase that did not capture the idea it supposedly represented.

Instead for me "Fund Social Workers to augment police", (particularly in the case of 'wellbeing calls' and 'mental health calls' to the police/911.) is the progressive idea that I support and wouldn't call "woke" . 

 

Maybe I am off the mark but that is how i see the term. It is derogatory in nature and insulting.

[King Heffy]

8 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

I am pretty sure it is just an insult towards progressive ideas and the people who espouse them. 

 

for me "Defund the police" was a 'woke' idea in that it deserved ridicule because it was an inarticulate catch phrase that did not capture the idea it supposedly represented.

Instead for me "Fund Social Workers to augment police", (particularly in the case of 'wellbeing calls' and 'mental health calls' to the police/911.) is the progressive idea that I support and wouldn't call "woke" . 

 

Maybe I am off the mark but that is how i see the term. It is derogatory in nature and insulting.

The same idiots tend to tell people to "wake up" while peddling their conspiracy theories.  Get ready for the dictionary to get added to list of books they want banned.

[112]

4 hours ago, Optimist Prime said:

I am pretty sure it is just an insult towards progressive ideas and the people who espouse them. 

 

for me "Defund the police" was a 'woke' idea in that it deserved ridicule because it was an inarticulate catch phrase that did not capture the idea it supposedly represented.

Instead for me "Fund Social Workers to augment police", (particularly in the case of 'wellbeing calls' and 'mental health calls' to the police/911.) is the progressive idea that I support and wouldn't call "woke" . 

 

Maybe I am off the mark but that is how i see the term. It is derogatory in nature and insulting.

I'm someone who has had a lot of interaction with the police through mental health/wellbeing calls and am in support of the 'defund' movement in the sense that it's advocating for alternative, non-police responses to crisis events. This does not mean police should be removed from communities altogether. You're right that it wasn't advertised appropriately by many of those who were behind it. You're also, I presume, correct that 'woke' is just a way to insult progressive ideas without offering anything in terms of meat. 'Woke' just seems like such an empty term for me and I can't get anyone to explain what it means precisely.

[Bob Long]

12 minutes ago, 112 said:

I'm someone who has had a lot of interaction with the police through mental health/wellbeing calls and am in support of the 'defund' movement in the sense that it's advocating for alternative, non-police responses to crisis events. This does not mean police should be removed from communities altogether. You're right that it wasn't advertised appropriately by many of those who were behind it. You're also, I presume, correct that 'woke' is just a way to insult progressive ideas without offering anything in terms of meat. 'Woke' just seems like such an empty term for me and I can't get anyone to explain what it means precisely.

 

"woke" has really been abused as a concept. It wasn't even meant for white folks to use. Now its just a catch all for whatever the alt boys want to hate.

 

[Optimist Prime]

1 hour ago, 112 said:

I'm someone who has had a lot of interaction with the police through mental health/wellbeing calls and am in support of the 'defund' movement in the sense that it's advocating for alternative, non-police responses to crisis events. This does not mean police should be removed from communities altogether. You're right that it wasn't advertised appropriately by many of those who were behind it. You're also, I presume, correct that 'woke' is just a way to insult progressive ideas without offering anything in terms of meat. 'Woke' just seems like such an empty term for me and I can't get anyone to explain what it means precisely.

I have lost a couple old buds in the veteran community to what we would call suicide by cop, that is to say without knowing the exact details: police were involved in a welfare check call and the vet ended up dead. I totally get what you are talking about there. 

[The Arrogant Worms]

New 30-year mortgages are coming and the devil's in the details

As of Aug. 1, first-time homebuyers purchasing a newly built home for less than $1-million with a down payment smaller than 20 per cent will be able to opt in to an insured 30-year amortization period — up from a 25-year maximum.

 

https://www.timescolonist.com/z-central-newsletter/new-30-year-mortgages-are-coming-and-the-devils-in-the-details-9170465

[The Arrogant Worms]

Legal Aid Alberta to stop services over contract dispute with provincial government

Legal Aid Alberta says it plans to end its services next week over a contract dispute with the province.

 

The society says in a statement that the United Conservative Party government gave it an ultimatum on a new funding arrangement that would undermine its independence and place it financially under the control of the justice minister.

 

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/legal-aid-alberta-to-stop-services-over-contract-dispute-with-provincial-government-1.6949794

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

19 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

"woke" has really been abused as a concept. It wasn't even meant for white folks to use. Now its just a catch all for whatever the alt boys want to hate.

 

That's it right there isn't it? There's another word like that they like to use as well. Just not as openly in public. 

[Bob Long]

30 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

That's it right there isn't it? There's another word like that they like to use as well. Just not as openly in public. 

 

It's a really interesting bit of appropriation twisted into a slur.

 

So pretty much par for the course for the gravy seal set.

[Coconuts]

On 7/1/2024 at 2:16 PM, Warhippy said:

I hate this.

 

It's Canada day and all I see are people waving flags and my mind immediately goes to, are you celebrating or just fucking stupid?

 

This is what happens when you allow zealots to co-opt a symbol of a nation

 

That's a weird thing, honestly. Canada Day itself is weird too, there are things to celebrate but there's also a lot of ugly stuff attached to Canadian history that some folks just don't want to wade through. But the ugly bits aren't just history, they exist in the present as well. 

 

I don't see an issue with being proud to be Canadian, Canada provides a better life to many and plenty of opportunities, but even that is nuanced. I link it back to what I call the gradual Americanization of politics, I question where the line between patriotism and nationalism is for a lot of folks, and it's gotten to the point where I am indeed skeptical when I see folks displaying Canada flags and symbols, because these symbols are often co-opted.

 

I know a lot of folks who are proud to be Canadian, who are happy to live here, but in my experience most Canadians aren't overt about such things the same way that US Americans are. There's a bit of a cultural difference there imo, Americans are much more likely to boast about their patriotism and nationalism, and to engage with physical symbols of such things, whereas when it comes to a lot of things I think Canadians are more subtle. I do think there's been a growing tendency for those who actively boast right wing talking points and so on to engage more like Americans do in regards to symbolism and so on. 

 

It presents itself in bits like Canada Proud, or the Canada Strong and Free Network (formerly the Manning Centre). At face value there's not really anything wrong with the words "Canada Proud" or "Canada Strong and Free", but there are agendas, values, and beliefs attached to the organizations and groups attempting to incorporate patriotism as part of their branding, as a hook with which to fish. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've seen more of these bits popping up on social media more over the past few years, it's just my own observation but I've noticed more of it post-Harper. 

 

But I'm also someone who has grown increasingly wary of patriotism and nationalism in general over time, because concepts can be weaponized and warped for various agendas. Flags are powerful symbols, patriotism is a powerful thing to try and tap into. Sometimes someone driving around with a Canadian car flag is just someone with a car flag, but when I see massive Canadian flags attached to vehicles it gives me pause, because it's become more and more common for such flags to be accompanied by other messaging. 

 

I'd wager that skepticism of the display of national symbolism has become more and more common.

[Coconuts]

Again, Beaverton doesn't miss

 

https://thebeaverton.com/2022/07/canada-day-face-paint-includes-footnote-about-not-being-one-of-those-convoy-fucks/

[Bob Long]

26 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

That's a weird thing, honestly. Canada Day itself is weird too, there are things to celebrate but there's also a lot of ugly stuff attached to Canadian history that some folks just don't want to wade through. But the ugly bits aren't just history, they exist in the present as well. 

 

I don't see an issue with being proud to be Canadian, Canada provides a better life to many and plenty of opportunities, but even that is nuanced. I link it back to what I call the gradual Americanization of politics, I question where the line between patriotism and nationalism is for a lot of folks, and it's gotten to the point where I am indeed skeptical when I see folks displaying Canada flags and symbols, because these symbols are often co-opted.

 

I know a lot of folks who are proud to be Canadian, who are happy to live here, but in my experience most Canadians aren't overt about such things the same way that US Americans are. There's a bit of a cultural difference there imo, Americans are much more likely to boast about their patriotism and nationalism, and to engage with physical symbols of such things, whereas when it comes to a lot of things I think Canadians are more subtle. I do think there's been a growing tendency for those who actively boast right wing talking points and so on to engage more like Americans do in regards to symbolism and so on. 

 

It presents itself in bits like Canada Proud, or the Canada Strong and Free Network (formerly the Manning Centre). At face value there's not really anything wrong with the words "Canada Proud" or "Canada Strong and Free", but there are agendas, values, and beliefs attached to the organizations and groups attempting to incorporate patriotism as part of their branding, as a hook with which to fish. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've seen more of these bits popping up on social media more over the past few years, it's just my own observation but I've noticed more of it post-Harper. 

 

But I'm also someone who has grown increasingly wary of patriotism and nationalism in general over time, because concepts can be weaponized and warped for various agendas. Flags are powerful symbols, patriotism is a powerful thing to try and tap into. Sometimes someone driving around with a Canadian car flag is just someone with a car flag, but when I see massive Canadian flags attached to vehicles it gives me pause, because it's become more and more common for such flags to be accompanied by other messaging. 

 

I'd wager that skepticism of the display of national symbolism has become more and more common.

 

you're not wrong of course on the ugly parts of our history, and it can be hard to want to celebrate something that has that as part of it.

 

But then I remember the world has horrible things in it everywhere, but at least Canada is trying to get it right. No its not fast enough, and can never really make up for it, but I feel like we're one of the few places on the planet that is at least trying and we are finally starting to see some real changes. 

 

There haven't been many better places for people to end up for creating better lives for themselves and their future generations. 

 

I won't hand the flag over to the dumb dumbs either, they did nothing to earn it. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:12 PM by Bob Long