Canadian Politics Thread

[Warhippy]

36 minutes ago, bolt said:

A first class air ticket between ottawa and Toronto is cheaper than taking the train? 

A business class 1 way on via rail is around $300+.  It takes about 4-6 hours depending on the day

 

A same day booking flight on air canada or westjet via business class ranges from $600-$1250 and takes about 75 minutes.

 

If you are really going to sit here and be hypocritical about some absolutely petty bullshit like the minister of a specific cabinet travelling expediently fine.

 

But I fully expect you'll also be shitting on the Conservative caucus to a person for spending so much to fly their families to political functions, vacations etc,

 

But you won't.  Will you?  Because it doesn't jive with that partisanship

[Warhippy]

35 minutes ago, bolt said:

I forgot all Government employee must travel in first class.  It's also important that the climate change ambassador doesn't think of their carbon footprint.

a 6 hour train ride at business class booked in advance can be as low as $300+  But it also incurs food and additional travel expenses making it as expensive in most cases as that business class flight you are whining about.

 

But sine we're going to be sitting here tolling the bell of corruption, waste and hypocrisy.

Why is Pierre whining about housing after spending almost half a billion under the former government, while not being the housing minister; but telling everyone he was the housing minister?  He claims he did great and the current government didn't but he did nothing.  What happened to the hundreds of millions he claims he successfully spent?  

Since he's gonna be the new PM maybe he should start answering to his failures as an MP before pointing fingers or claiming he can fix something?

 

Or is this different because "librulz"

[King Heffy]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

A business class 1 way on via rail is around $300+.  It takes about 4-6 hours depending on the day

 

A same day booking flight on air canada or westjet via business class ranges from $600-$1250 and takes about 75 minutes.

 

If you are really going to sit here and be hypocritical about some absolutely petty bullshit like the minister of a specific cabinet travelling expediently fine.

 

But I fully expect you'll also be shitting on the Conservative caucus to a person for spending so much to fly their families to political functions, vacations etc,

 

But you won't.  Will you?  Because it doesn't jive with that partisanship

That's also assuming full retail and discounting the likelihood of a contract for reduced pricing.

[Satchmo]

Anyone else here consider laughing and confused emojis from certain sources to be a badge of honour?

[Warhippy]

37 minutes ago, bolt said:

You think it's just a coincidence the crime rate has been on an upward trajectory since 2015 (ie the election of Justin Trudeau)?

 

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/statscan-numbers-show-crime-and-shootings-spike-under-trudeau

 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rahim-mohamed-crime-is-rising-in-canada-and-liberals-cant-seem-to-find-a-solution

 

 

Let's 

 

see

 

Population growth has been accelerating for almost 30 years.  Aside from 4 years; crime rates have done nothing but rise along side the growth of the population.

 

But hey, look 2 opinion columns to justify your point or position.  I was almost worried you wouldn't be able to latch on to someone elses opinion for a second there

[Gurn]

26 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

The Green Party in Canada, both Federally and in BC in particular have utterly and completely sabotaged their own agenda and are in my opinion a complete and utter joke undeserving of a single vote. The federal and BC wing of the Greens only serve to elect Conservatives at this point in time and have failed their supporters in so many ways. There was a moment in Canadian politics where the party mattered, and we are easily 15 years beyond that point now. 

 

Sonya Fursteneau leads the BC greens and after reaching her golden handshake time period where she now qualifies for the pension from the BC Legislature, she after being invisible in the Cowichan Valley riding as our MLA, has opted to move to Victoria to run against a popular NDP MLA who got 55% of the vote last time: ergo she has designed her own defeat so she can retire. Not in it for US at all, just in it for Sonya. Booooooo.

Sadly, just when it begins to look like there is a shot for other parties to rise, to credible numbers, something goes wrong.

 Federally Jack Layton had the NDP going well enough, they had an small chance at being the governing party- after another election or two. Great trajectory- gone when he died.

Federal Greens where starting to get places, then they get a new leader that destroyed their chances- to the point where a former leader, just getting over a stroke had to take over. Now the party is stagnant, at best, and completely irrelevant at worst.

Provincial Liberals- with Gordon Wilson as leader- were starting to get credible- but got swallowed up by fleeing Socreds.

Provincial PDA- starting to grow, But the Gordon  did his "Flip Wilson" routine and demolished that party.

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So here we go again 3 choices, with 2 of those choices splitting the 'left side' vote and 1 Canada wide 'right side' party getting basically all the righties.

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My biggest complaint about the job J.T, and the Federal  Liberals  have done is:

 

where the Fuck is that electoral reform they ran on, prior to J.T. becoming Prime Minister??

[The Arrogant Worms]

Federal Green Party deputy resigns for personal reasons, leaving May as sole leader

Green Party Leader Elizabeth May says she is “heartbroken” at the news of Jonathan Pedneault’s resignation but fully respects his decision.

 

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/federal-green-party-deputy-resigns-for-personal-reasons-leaving-may-as-sole-leader-9196093

[The Arrogant Worms]

Conservative MP attacked online after praising police for arrest in alleged homophobic crime

Michelle Ferreri applauded arrest of man after Pride flag was torched

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-mp-homophobic-hate-crime-1.7257454

 

 

[Warhippy]

38 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

Conservative MP attacked online after praising police for arrest in alleged homophobic crime

Michelle Ferreri applauded arrest of man after Pride flag was torched

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-mp-homophobic-hate-crime-1.7257454

 

 

tHeSe aReN'T cOnSeRvAtIvEs

 

Except of course you know...they are

[Bob Long]

2 hours ago, bolt said:

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2024/rcmp-charges-federal-consultant-fraudulent-billing

 

the house of cards are beginning to fall.  

 

Elitism, Corruption and incompetence.  But we should be OK with their disdain of taxpayer money.

 

*House of cards " Geez I almost peed laughing at this one.

 

You know that consultants are independent from government, right?

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

tHeSe aReN'T cOnSeRvAtIvEs

 

Except of course you know...they are

 

The problem is we don't know how many are real. That's the problem with social media comments stories.

 

We should focus on the stories where cons really show up in person, like covid rallies and being belligerent at hospitals.

[Optimist Prime]

53 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Sadly, just when it begins to look like there is a shot for other parties to rise, to credible numbers, something goes wrong.

 Federally Jack Layton had the NDP going well enough, they had an small chance at being the governing party- after another election or two. Great trajectory- gone when he died.

Federal Greens where starting to get places, then they get a new leader that destroyed their chances- to the point where a former leader, just getting over a stroke had to take over. Now the party is stagnant, at best, and completely irrelevant at worst.

Provincial Liberals- with Gordon Wilson as leader- were starting to get credible- but got swallowed up by fleeing Socreds.

Provincial PDA- starting to grow, But the Gordon  did his "Flip Wilson" routine and demolished that party.

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So here we go again 3 choices, with 2 of those choices splitting the 'left side' vote and 1 Canada wide 'right side' party getting basically all the righties.

-----------------------------------------------------------

 

My biggest complaint about the job J.T, and the Federal  Liberals  have done is:

 

where the Fuck is that electoral reform they ran on, prior to J.T. becoming Prime Minister??

With the Conservatives opposed and the NDP insisting on Prop Rep, which gives the PARTY control over seats in the house with no person attached to the seat, and therrefore no accountability: and the Liberals holding out for Ranked Ballot or something similar: there was no way the Liberals could unilaterally force the change to Ranked Ballot, and no way in good conscience to make the change to Prop Rep which opens the door to extremist groups with 2% support to get seats, and the aformentioned lack of personal accountability by a human being in the seat...it had to be put aside until the other parties positions changed. 

I am hopeful with the Conservatives now using a Ranked Ballot to pick their leader, they may in future get on board the ranked ballot reforms the liberals still feel is the best way forward, but obviously would be wrong to impose on the rest of the parties without wide buyin from a broad range of those parties. 

~my short version answer to your question.

[Bob Long]

16 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

With the Conservatives opposed and the NDP insisting on Prop Rep, which gives the PARTY control over seats in the house with no person attached to the seat, and therrefore no accountability: and the Liberals holding out for Ranked Ballot or something similar: there was no way the Liberals could unilaterally force the change to Ranked Ballot, and no way in good conscience to make the change to Prop Rep which opens the door to extremist groups with 2% support to get seats, and the aformentioned lack of personal accountability by a human being in the seat...it had to be put aside until the other parties positions changed. 

I am hopeful with the Conservatives now using a Ranked Ballot to pick their leader, they may in future get on board the ranked ballot reforms the liberals still feel is the best way forward, but obviously would be wrong to impose on the rest of the parties without wide buyin from a broad range of those parties. 

~my short version answer to your question.

 

Do you really think the CPC would support ranked ballot? Seems like too big a culture shift to me.

 

It's really a shame that the NDP wouldn't budge on this. 

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Do you really think the CPC would support ranked ballot? Seems like too big a culture shift to me.

 

It's really a shame that the NDP wouldn't budge on this. 

The NDP really hurt themselves more than anyone.  Ranked ballot would have gotten them more seats and increased the chances of minority governments.

[Gurn]

Dec 15, 2015 to Sept 11, 2019 JT, as Prime Minster had 184 of 338 seats- a majority of 30 seats.

This was the time--- he legalized/decriminalized weed, but did not deliver on electoral reform.

I'd much rather have electoral reform than legal weed. 

[RupertKBD]

1 hour ago, Satchmo said:

Anyone else here consider laughing and confused emojis from certain sources to be a badge of honour?

 

The hallmark of a weak (or nonexistent) argument.....

 

Generally followed up by pointing to polls and/or posting "blackface" photos....

[bolt]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

a 6 hour train ride at business class booked in advance can be as low as $300+  But it also incurs food and additional travel expenses making it as expensive in most cases as that business class flight you are whining about.

 

But sine we're going to be sitting here tolling the bell of corruption, waste and hypocrisy.

Why is Pierre whining about housing after spending almost half a billion under the former government, while not being the housing minister; but telling everyone he was the housing minister?  He claims he did great and the current government didn't but he did nothing.  What happened to the hundreds of millions he claims he successfully spent?  

Since he's gonna be the new PM maybe he should start answering to his failures as an MP before pointing fingers or claiming he can fix something?

 

Or is this different because "librulz"

Via rail is a crown corporation, even if the price was $600 it would be more beneficial for all.  She should have travelled rail or by her car if she cared about climate leadership and emissions. Does travelling by air have more of less emissions compared to train or electric car?

 

You answered your own question it's different because of "librulz".  You would be livid if this was a conservative but you have bias.   Yet here we are you defending a failed incompetent party that is clearly unfit to lead the country.

 

 

 

Edited July 9 by bolt

[Warhippy]

Just now, bolt said:

Via rail is a crown corporation, even if the price was $600 it would be more benefial for all.  She should have travelled rail or by her car if she cared about climate leadership.

 

You answered your own question it's different because of "livrulz.  You would be livid if this was a conservative but you have bias.  

 

 

You'd still be whining even if she took a train.

 

It's what your camp does.

[Optimist Prime]

15 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Dec 15, 2015 to Sept 11, 2019 JT, as Prime Minster had 184 of 338 seats- a majority of 30 seats.

This was the time--- he legalized/decriminalized weed, but did not deliver on electoral reform.

I'd much rather have electoral reform than legal weed. 

That was the exact time where he COULD have just made it so: but going against all the other parties on a subject as tightly looked at as Election Reform would have been in the moment deemed to be over reach from a party with only 184 seats imposing its will on the electorate of the entire nation. 

It would have been disastrous at that moment in time to attempt to change the way we elect our government, by the very government itself with no buy ins from the opposition parties. That is key, for election reform to be significant and be deemed fair, it needs to have broad multiparty support. That doesn't mean every party, but more than just the one in power needs to be in favour of the change. We never got consensus from any other party, so it was not a hill that was worthy of dying on, politically speaking.

[bolt]

14 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

You'd still be whining even if she took a train.

 

It's what your camp does.

She could travel privately by a 747 between Toronto and Ottawa and you would still have an excuse for them.  

 

"It's what your camp does"  

Edited July 9 by bolt

[bolt]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

tHeSe aReN'T cOnSeRvAtIvEs

 

Except of course you know...they are

Conservate Mp commends arrest.  BUts don't vot COnsErvatatives becaz they barBariC. Ever listen to yourself?

Edited July 9 by bolt

[the destroyer of worlds]

2 minutes ago, bolt said:

Actually I wouldn't.  She could travel privately by a 747 between Toronto and Ottawa and you would still have an excuse for them.

 

"It's what your camp does"  

 

You're bitching about this:

 

Canada’s ambassador for climate change has charged $254,000 in travel expenses in less than two years on the job.

 

Yet, Northern BC MP's outspent that in less than ONE YEAR, back in 2018.  These kind of expenses have continued.  Her expenses look to be a drop in the bucket when compared to that of MP's.  A few CONservative MPs BTW

 

From April 1, 2018 to Dec. 31, 2018, Doherty’s expenditures totalled $466,722.57, $49,560.31 more than the second-highest spending MP, David Yurdiga.

Yurdiga represents the Fort McMurray-Cold Lake riding in Alberta, and he spent $417,162.26 in expenditures.

 

Bob Zimmer, the MP for Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies, also ranked among the top five highest spenders, coming in fourth with $412,454.27 in expenditures.

 

https://www.quesnelobserver.com/news/todd-doherty-highest-spending-mp-report-5779685

[bolt]

3 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

 

You're bitching about this:

 

Canada’s ambassador for climate change has charged $254,000 in travel expenses in less than two years on the job.

 

Yet, Northern BC MP's outspent that in less than ONE YEAR, back in 2018.  These kind of expenses have continued.  Her expenses look to be a drop in the bucket when compared to that of MP's.  A few CONservative MPs BTW

 

From April 1, 2018 to Dec. 31, 2018, Doherty’s expenditures totalled $466,722.57, $49,560.31 more than the second-highest spending MP, David Yurdiga.

Yurdiga represents the Fort McMurray-Cold Lake riding in Alberta, and he spent $417,162.26 in expenditures.

 

Bob Zimmer, the MP for Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies, also ranked among the top five highest spenders, coming in fourth with $412,454.27 in expenditures.

 

https://www.quesnelobserver.com/news/todd-doherty-highest-spending-mp-report-5779685

I wasn't aware that MP was a climate ambassador.  

 

Pretty sad your only defense of Liberals is now the what abouts of obscure back benchers.  

 

Liberals are falling in the polls because they can't lead.  Do as I say not as I do must be a very effective slogan for you.

Edited July 9 by bolt

[Satchmo]

19 minutes ago, bolt said:

 You would be livid if this was a conservative.

 

 

 

Nah.  That's what your camp does.   We have other reasons to be livid.

[the destroyer of worlds]

Just now, bolt said:

I wasn't aware that MP was a climate ambassador.  

 

Pretty sad your only defense of Liberals is now the what abouts obscure back benchers.  

Tell us how we are to participate in our society, advocating for change, without using technology that is available to us.

 

Travel is part of her job.  There is no magic device that she had that avoids use of travel modes that exist.  Airplanes, trains, long distance vehicular travel is going to use fossil fuels.  We have yet to get to the point where we can avoid it.  

 

If your complaint is fiscal, my point is her spending is a drop in the bucket compared to the spending that back benching MP's have been doing for years.

 

Your bitching is weak, and I think you should realize that.