Canadian Politics Thread

[Warhippy]

6 minutes ago, bolt said:

Pierre is using a common sense approach and it seems to be very popular with voters.

 

Pierre grew up in a middle class family and paid his dues.  You must be thinking of JT?  Can you tell me about the JT silver spoon struggles other than doing a terrible job as PM?

 

Pierre is doing everything right to become the next PM.  You have to give him props for that.

You didnt answer the question.

 

Pierre grew up, then went in to politics.  he's never held a job.  He's never paid taxes.  By comparison, Trudeau in fact has.  Both of them are trash but if we're using "blue collar" as a metric, Trudeau in fact has worked a real job, pierre has not

 

I don't have to give Pierre props for anything.  he's campaigning on anger and fear and that's about as lazy as it gets.

 

His common sense approach is to write a speech to shit on everything the news deems an issue for people by blaming the current government.  That's not common sense, it's just the easiest approach to continue to sow anger and fear.

 

So again I will ask you.  How do you actually think a guy who has never had a job, paid taxes or struggled in his entire life.  who has a nanny, free housing, free travel, free food an INSANE pension and 100% total benefits has ANYTHING in common with a shift worker, blue collar, single parent, taxpayer in this nation?

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, bolt said:

 

Another great ad by the CPC.  How can you watch this ad and not vote for them?

Who dictates the price of rent?

 

I notice this ad doesn't say who controls or dictates rental prices.   What it DOES do is say or insinuate it's the governments fault and not the fault of corporations, income property owners developers or management companies.

 

I also notice he shows the encampment in kelowna on the rail trail but doesn't show the guy chewing him out for being a fake asshole who is only here to use our suffering to gain some sort of political win

[Bure_Pavel]

7 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

You didnt answer the question.

 

Pierre grew up, then went in to politics.  he's never held a job.  He's never paid taxes.  By comparison, Trudeau in fact has.  Both of them are trash but if we're using "blue collar" as a metric, Trudeau in fact has worked a real job, pierre has not

 

I don't have to give Pierre props for anything.  he's campaigning on anger and fear and that's about as lazy as it gets.

 

His common sense approach is to write a speech to shit on everything the news deems an issue for people by blaming the current government.  That's not common sense, it's just the easiest approach to continue to sow anger and fear.

 

So again I will ask you.  How do you actually think a guy who has never had a job, paid taxes or struggled in his entire life.  who has a nanny, free housing, free travel, free food an INSANE pension and 100% total benefits has ANYTHING in common with a shift worker, blue collar, single parent, taxpayer in this nation?

I think you might have this backwards, PP has definitely faced more adversity than Trudeau in his life, and its not even close. Trudeau was born with a trust fund living in a mansion, while PP was adopted after his 16 year old mom gave birth and grew up in an Alberta suburb with his adopted parents who were teachers. JT is a nepo baby. 

Edited July 11 by Bure_Pavel

[Ricky Ravioli]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Who dictates the price of rent?

 

I notice this ad doesn't say who controls or dictates rental prices.   What it DOES do is say or insinuate it's the governments fault and not the fault of corporations, income property owners developers or management companies.

 

I also notice he shows the encampment in kelowna on the rail trail but doesn't show the guy chewing him out for being a fake asshole who is only here to use our suffering to gain some sort of political win

Supply dictates the cost of rent. Not the big bad scary rental corporations. They charge what they can get away with because people are desperate. It's also sad because those same people have to pay such a high percentage of their monthly income towards rent and bills they can't save. This has become a vicious cycle that won't be broken until the demand is met on the housing market.

 

Spoiler alert. They aren't going to do anything.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I think you might have this backwards, PP has definitely faced more adversity than Trudeau in his life, and its not even close. Trudeau was born with a trust fund living in a mansion, while PP was adopted after his 16 year old mom gave birth and grew up in an Alberta suburb with his adopted parents who were teachers. JT is a nepo baby. 

No, no I don't.

 

trudeau's trust fund and upbringing have been widely spoken about.

 

The moment Pierre turned in to an adult he was in politics.  He's been in politics in some fashion since he was around 16-17.  He's never had a job.  He's never paid taxes.  He's been a politician more than half his entire life.

 

As such he has en estimated net worth over $25 million.  Numerous properties he makes bank off of and a watch collection approaching a million dollars.  

 

Trudeau is also worth tens of millions, but he has been a dramam teacher, a snowboard instructor.  As such he has paid more in honest taxes and worked more actual hours in the labour force than Pierre has.

 

This is an inarguable statement.  When you speak of "adversity" you also have to know that Trudeau grew up with everyone who hated his dad reminding him his mom was a whore, his dad was really castro and the open cheering after his brother died in an avalanche which is actually still brought up to this day.   But that doesn't matter I guess because hey, his dad was PET and he's a trust fund baby or is this not adversity or what?  FFS the guy got his ass kicked by Chandler from Friends.

 

Just because Pierre was adopted doesn't mean a thing.  He has still never worked. He has never had to struggle in his life because the tax payer has paid for everything for him.

 

he has still nothing in common with the average person and there is no spin that can change that immutable fact.

 

The supreme irony is how people hate Trudeau so much they're going to replace him with a guy with the EXACT same qualities they hate Trudeau for

 

 

[Warhippy]

4 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Supply dictates the cost of rent. Not the big bad scary rental corporations. They charge what they can get away with because people are desperate. It's also sad because those same people have to pay such a high percentage of their monthly income towards rent and bills they can't save. This has become a vicious cycle that won't be broken until the demand is met on the housing market.

 

Spoiler alert. They aren't going to do anything.

So ummm...you do realize that you kind of just sid it wasn't them then immediately said it was.

 

If the change in government that is promising to help housing doesn't change anything, then why are people applauding an open lie?

 

The fundamental issue is that any direct government intervention in to housing means that they will have to cap housing prices.  Or start building homes, or subsidize builders to build homes.

 

Which is socialism.  We all of a sudden ok with that or?

[Bure_Pavel]

6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

No, no I don't.

 

trudeau's trust fund and upbringing have been widely spoken about.

 

The moment Pierre turned in to an adult he was in politics.  He's been in politics in some fashion since he was around 16-17.  He's never had a job.  He's never paid taxes.  He's been a politician more than half his entire life.

 

As such he has en estimated net worth over $25 million.  Numerous properties he makes bank off of and a watch collection approaching a million dollars.  

 

Trudeau is also worth tens of millions, but he has been a dramam teacher, a snowboard instructor.  As such he has paid more in honest taxes and worked more actual hours in the labour force than Pierre has.

 

This is an inarguable statement.  When you speak of "adversity" you also have to know that Trudeau grew up with everyone who hated his dad reminding him his mom was a whore, his dad was really castro and the open cheering after his brother died in an avalanche which is actually still brought up to this day.   But that doesn't matter I guess because hey, his dad was PET and he's a trust fund baby or is this not adversity or what?  FFS the guy got his ass kicked by Chandler from Friends.

 

Just because Pierre was adopted doesn't mean a thing.  He has still never worked. He has never had to struggle in his life because the tax payer has paid for everything for him.

 

he has still nothing in common with the average person and there is no spin that can change that immutable fact.

 

The supreme irony is how people hate Trudeau so much they're going to replace him with a guy with the EXACT same qualities they hate Trudeau for

 

 

Its a free country people can choose any career they like, he had a passion for politics from a early age. They both have worked about the same amount of meaningful jobs outside of politics and that number is close to zero for both of them. 

Edited July 11 by Bure_Pavel

[Warhippy]

2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Its a free country people can choose any career they like, he had a passion for politics from a early age. They both have worked about the same amount of meaningful jobs outside of politics and that number is close to zero for both of them. 

What job has Pierre worked and paid taxes in?

 

yes, it is a free nation there's no argument in this.  What there is is how dishonest Pierre is being by claiming to be a blue collar individual who knows the struggle of the average Canadian

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Meanwhile in the "politicians playing dress up" conversation

 

lol

 

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, bolt said:

Pierre looking like he's been hitting the gym lately. He might be in the running to steal some of Justin's votes.

 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, bolt said:

Pierre looking like he's been hitting the gym lately. He might be in the running to steal some of Justin's votes.

 

I bet you have a nudie. 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

I bet you have a nudie. 

Can't wait for the new truck stickers. 

[Ghostsof1915]

Or make a deal with developers, that for every 10 units built they put in the equivalent of 1 socialized housing unit or whatever ratio works. And the units must be 1,2, or 3 bedrooms.

Allow people with middle class incomes to be able to buy into socialized housing. When I had my stroke I was chatting with a nutritionist. She works full time at the hospital.

Her husband is a bus driver. And all they can afford along with their kids is socialized housing, and they were on a wait list and got in. They have to have a portion of their time helping out with the coop. But it helps them afford two kids and save for their education. So it's not like they are on EI, or Welfare.

 

 

 

 

[Johngould21]

17 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Its a free country people can choose any career they like, he had a passion for politics from a early age. They both have worked about the same amount of meaningful jobs outside of politics and that number is close to zero for both of them. 

A teacher now is not a meaningful job according to you ilk? JFC! Quit insulting us.

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

15 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

What there is is how dishonest Pierre is being by claiming to be a blue collar individual who knows the struggle of the average Canadian

 

PP's collar colour is as blue as the wood stain used in this sample:

 

The colour suits him, given his political stance.

[Ricky Ravioli]

19 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So ummm...you do realize that you kind of just sid it wasn't them then immediately said it was.

 

If the change in government that is promising to help housing doesn't change anything, then why are people applauding an open lie?

 

The fundamental issue is that any direct government intervention in to housing means that they will have to cap housing prices.  Or start building homes, or subsidize builders to build homes.

 

Which is socialism.  We all of a sudden ok with that or?

We both know the reason rental corporations have power right now is due to low supply. The national vacancy rate is currently 1.5%. That's far too low. Various different reasons at play as to why supply is soooo low but the point is if supply was sufficient they wouldn't be able to charge these outrageous rents as people would just go elsewhere. Can we find some common ground there or you going to argue that as well?

[bolt]

24 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

A teacher now is not a meaningful job according to you ilk? JFC! Quit insulting us.

If Justin Trudeau didn't have the experience of being a substitute Drama teacher he wouldn't be qualified to be PM!!!! It doesn't matter that his 8 year record has been terrible and most Canadians want him gone...

Edited July 11 by bolt

[Warhippy]

20 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

We both know the reason rental corporations have power right now is due to low supply. The national vacancy rate is currently 1.5%. That's far too low. Various different reasons at play as to why supply is soooo low but the point is if supply was sufficient they wouldn't be able to charge these outrageous rents as people would just go elsewhere. Can we find some common ground there or you going to argue that as well?

There is or will not be any argument that supply is low.

 

But, why are we allowing corporations to own literally hundreds/thousands of units to pad their profit lines?

 

Why are we allowing private citizens to own 5-10-15 investment properties without paying business taxes on them?

 

Ironically, in large part the housing crisis is not as bad as many think, but the affordability issue is.  Mostly due to geographic issues as so many people refuse to live outside of Vancouver/Victoria, Toronto, Calgary and Montreal.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, bolt said:

If Justin Trudeau didn't have the experience of being a substitute Drama teacher he wouldn't be qualified to be PM!!!! It doesn't matter that his 8 year record has been terrible and most Canadians want him gone...

He did have the experience of being one though.  Which still means more work experience than Pierre.

[Ricky Ravioli]

16 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

There is or will not be any argument that supply is low.

 

But, why are we allowing corporations to own literally hundreds/thousands of units to pad their profit lines?

 

Why are we allowing private citizens to own 5-10-15 investment properties without paying business taxes on them?

 

Ironically, in large part the housing crisis is not as bad as many think, but the affordability issue is.  Mostly due to geographic issues as so many people refuse to live outside of Vancouver/Victoria, Toronto, Calgary and Montreal.

Why don't we direct those questions to the government who has been in power the last 9 years and watched it gradually get worse until it's now fallen off a cliff.

 

We agree again. I don't believe they should either. At least not with out being taxed up the ass. 

 

It's the chicken and the egg. The lack of housing and rentals allow for rents and housing to be charged at agregious rates and more people would move away from the hub cities if the jobs paid. Unfortunately that's not the case

Edited July 11 by Ricky Ravioli

[Bure_Pavel]

32 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

He did have the experience of being one though.  Which still means more work experience than Pierre.

We will likely find out soon who's work experience was more translatable. JT setting the bar pretty low though. 

[Warhippy]

44 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said:

Why don't we direct those questions to the government who has been in power the last 9 years and watched it gradually get worse until it's now fallen off a cliff.

 

We agree again. I don't believe they should either. At least not with out being taxed up the ass. 

 

It's the chicken and the egg. The lack of housing and rentals allow for rents and housing to be charged at agregious rates and more people would move away from the hub cities if the jobs paid. Unfortunately that's not the case

Why don't we go back over 36 years and ask why successive federal governments stopped when Mulroney pulled the initial low income program?

 

Or why don't we ask why provncial governments have not made it easier for builders to make things work while enforcing affordability laws for zoning?

[Warhippy]

26 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

We will likely find out soon who's work experience was more translatable. JT setting the bar pretty low though. 

Career politician is not an admirable set of skills and does not give an individual the real world experience to understand what it is like to have to live within a budget.

 

especially a politician that has been in power for over two decades and only ever saw 2 ACTUAL balanced budgets in his time

[DSVII]

4 hours ago, bolt said:

The French left wing parties colluded abruptly and are now infighting as it appears they don't have any leadership or clear plans.  Instability isn't a win for France.

 

It won't be an overnight process as both sides have to hash things out, especially in France, but it's not like we haven't seen this in Europe. In 2021 Germany took 73 days to form a federal government. Belgium took almost two years to form a seven-party coalition government just last year. But the point remains that we're not really seeing the conservatives globally making ground like Noheart suggested. I'm personally surprised too, I would have expected a rightward swing, but just this year we've seen

 

• The Tories get wiped after over a decade of power in the UK 
• A left wing coalition party being elected over the far right in France 
• Mexico elect its first female, Jewish president representing a left wing party
• The authoritarian hard right nationalist Modi losing his majority in India after being projected to win in a landslide with his seats going to a centrist party

 

Obviously it's not going to have an effect on US and Canada's election, but the Left is hardly getting wiped out all over the world as he suggests and we've even seen a repudiation of the most hardline far right nationalists in India of all places. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12 by DSVII

[Bure_Pavel]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Career politician is not an admirable set of skills and does not give an individual the real world experience to understand what it is like to have to live within a budget.

 

especially a politician that has been in power for over two decades and only ever saw 2 ACTUAL balanced budgets in his time

Im not even sure JT knows what a Budget is though, by his famous the budget will balance its self line. Breaking news, it did not.