Warhippy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: So we all agree then that rapid immigration is a problem and needs to be scaled back in a large way and that there has been too much immigration over the last 5 years? Judging by the way your opinion article reads, for the sake of east indians we need to curtail immigration from india to protect them from the evils of the Canadian econoomic crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Can someone please explain to me what the term 'progressive' means these days? Or is its' definition as inexplicable as the term 'woke'? Does it just mean 'them' as opposed to someone's personal 'us'? Progressivism is a political philosophy and movement that seeks to advance the human condition through social reform – primarily based on purported advancements in social organization, science, and technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, 4petesake said: Here we go again..”the Federal government…” while totally ignoring the four provincial governments (all conservative at the time) that asked the Feds for increased numbers of immigrants as recently as last year. So the provincial governments ask for more immigrants and you blame Trudeau? Alberta asked for more Ukrainians as they have a need for them in terms of their skill sets. Are you implying the provinces are asking for more immigrants just to pad their numbers? Which other provinces are calling for more immigration besides Alberta whereby there isn’t a need for specific skilled labour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 10 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I call BS. I guess we are back to not agreeing on things. It was fun while it lasted. A whole 30 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 43 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The author is India Today News out of India. Maybe they have a concern for their people coming over to Canada and being unemployed? Maybe they should stay where they have the potential for economic success then, like maybe in India instead of the eonomic wasteland that Trudeau has turned Canada in to. If this demographic makes up such a significant amount of our immigration numbers, and yourself and others keep saying it's been such a huge part of the issue economically in our nation regarding jobs and housing and spending; then maybe them not coming is for the best for their economic well being and our own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Progressivism is a political philosophy and movement that seeks to advance the human condition through social reform – primarily based on purported advancements in social organization, science, and technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism I know. I looked it up months ago and found the same definition. I still don't get why it is used so often here and do not believe many users of the term have hopped over to Wikipedia to look it up before they use it. I still don't get how it is a blanket description of all left leaning people and I feel it is most often used in a derogatory manner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 minute ago, Satchmo said: I know. I looked it up months ago and found the same definition. I still don't get why it is used so often here and do not believe many users of the term have hopped over to Wikipedia to look it up before they use it. I still don't get how it is a blanket description of all left leaning people and I feel it is most often used in a derogatory manner. It’s not used as a blanket description of all left leaning people. Just like the word Nazi isn’t used to describe all right leaning people. I do agree both words are used for political purposes to try and demean the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Maybe they should stay where they have the potential for economic success then, like maybe in India instead of the eonomic wasteland that Trudeau has turned Canada in to. If this demographic makes up such a significant amount of our immigration numbers, and yourself and others keep saying it's been such a huge part of the issue economically in our nation regarding jobs and housing and spending; then maybe them not coming is for the best for their economic well being and our own Based on a 12.6% unemployment rate I would assume this is happening right now. If I was a potential immigrant from India I would try and get assurances from the federal government that I had a guaranteed job and a place to live in Canada before I made the decision to move my life and family out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Based on a 12.6% unemployment rate I would assume this is happening right now. If I was a potential immigrant from India I would try and get assurances from the federal government that I had a guaranteed job and a place to live in Canada before I made the decision to move my life and family out here. So. To confirm. You're suggesting that to immigrate to a country, you would need an agreement that you would be given it provided a job and shelter for leaving your own nation? Asking because that's kind of how that reads and I'm not sure that is how it works when you immigrate Edited July 13 by Warhippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I know. I looked it up months ago and found the same definition. I still don't get why it is used so often here and do not believe many users of the term have hopped over to Wikipedia to look it up before they use it. I still don't get how it is a blanket description of all left leaning people and I feel it is most often used in a derogatory manner. Language is very important. The right wing media in the states has spent the last decade discrediting the term socialist by lumping it with communism. We've recently seen the right co-op the word 'woke' which was originally coined for the Civil rights movement in the mid 1900s to describe someone being informed, educated and conscious of the social inequities facing black Americans. Today it's being associated with trans/LGBTQ+ 'shoving their agenda down throats'. The term Progressive is next, it'll be equated with the discredited socialism term. They're already linking DEI to woke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Alberta asked for more Ukrainians as they have a need for them in terms of their skill sets. Are you implying the provinces are asking for more immigrants just to pad their numbers? Which other provinces are calling for more immigration besides Alberta whereby there isn’t a need for specific skilled labour? I’m implying no such thing. I am flat out saying that more means more, plain and simple, doesn’t matter how you slice it. I have already posted a couple of times requests by Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario as recently as last year. All conservative governments at the time. You lay the blame at Trudeau’s feet and ignore all the others. So conservative governments have specific needs while all the others are just bringing them in willy-nilly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, DSVII said: Language is very important. The right wing media in the states has spent the last decade discrediting the term socialist by lumping it with communism. We've recently seen the right co-op the word 'woke' which was originally coined for the Civil rights movement in the mid 1900s to describe someone being informed, educated and conscious of the social inequities facing black Americans. Today it's being associated with trans/LGBTQ+ 'shoving their agenda down throats'. The term Progressive is next, it'll be equated with the discredited socialism term. They're already linking DEI to woke. I agree with much that you say but (as an unabashed nerd) I have to point out that the term woke originated well before the 1960's. It had to do with travelling to certain areas of the American South where Black people had to be especially careful and vigilant - or woke - to avoid being beaten and/or lynched. It took on the informed, educated and conscious meaning years later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 32 minutes ago, Warhippy said: So. To confirm. You're suggesting that to immigrate to a country, you would need an agreement that you would be given it provided a job and shelter for leaving your own nation? Asking because that's kind of how that reads and I'm not sure that is how it works when you immigrate Yes, pretty much. Is that too much to ask, or is it just hop on the boat and once you arrive on shore, figure it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, pretty much. Is that too much to ask, or is it just hop on the boat and once you arrive on shore, figure it out? I see both sides to this but I have to point out that a huge number of North American immigrants did just that and when they or their descendants prosper we laud them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 36 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, pretty much. Is that too much to ask, or is it just hop on the boat and once you arrive on shore, figure it out? Tell me. How do you view the word entitlement? Because if this is what you think should be happening or is. While using the metric of individuals from east india as some sort of argument than by all means close the fucking borders because we should not be allowing individuals who EXPECT or DEMAND a place to live and a job to come here period. Coming to Canada should be an opportunity, not a place to exercise one's sense of entitlement and this suggestion or mentality is 100% part of the issue with the argument that people coming here would be creating jobs or wealth because it in fact is 100% justifying the argument of those on the right that immigrants are lazy freeloaders taking from canadians who have worked hard for everything they are demanding before they even leave their nation. With this in mind, if this is what people from India (as per your story) are expecting, requesting or demanding before coming here, they can get fucked and stay where's good for them instead of moaning about not finding a free government supplied hand out for lodging and employment for simply filling out a piece of paper and getting on a plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: The author is India Today News out of India. Maybe they have a concern for their people coming over to Canada and being unemployed? My guess is Modi shill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: If you ask questions about immigration the knee jerk reaction by progressives is that you are racists. Except no one went there in this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes, pretty much. Is that too much to ask, or is it just hop on the boat and once you arrive on shore, figure it out? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Tell me. How do you view the word entitlement? Because if this is what you think should be happening or is. While using the metric of individuals from east india as some sort of argument than by all means close the fucking borders because we should not be allowing individuals who EXPECT or DEMAND a place to live and a job to come here period. Coming to Canada should be an opportunity, not a place to exercise one's sense of entitlement and this suggestion or mentality is 100% part of the issue with the argument that people coming here would be creating jobs or wealth because it in fact is 100% justifying the argument of those on the right that immigrants are lazy freeloaders taking from canadians who have worked hard for everything they are demanding before they even leave their nation. With this in mind, if this is what people from India (as per your story) are expecting, requesting or demanding before coming here, they can get fucked and stay where's good for them instead of moaning about not finding a free government supplied hand out for lodging and employment for simply filling out a piece of paper and getting on a plane. If the criteria for immigration is simply to fill out a piece of paper and hop on a plane then that explains everything. It explains why Trudeau’s government let all these people in, for political purposes to pander to his base. And it explains why there is a staggering amount of unemployment within the immigration nucleus, which are the East Indians. It also explains why so many people in the 15-24 age bracket are unemployed. Because we are simply letting people come into the country with zero qualifications, so those people end up working at Tim Horton’s and McDonald’s. The immigrants who actually have skilled labour and could help the economy are few and far between. Edited July 13 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If the criteria for immigration is simply to fill out a piece of paper and hop on a plane then that explains everything. It explains why Trudeau’s government let all these people in, for political purposes to pander to his base. And it explains why there is a staggering amount of unemployment within the immigration nucleus, which are the East Indians. It also explains why so many people in the 15-24 age bracket are unemployed. Because we are simply letting people come into the country with zero qualifications, so those people end up working at Tim Horton’s and McDonald’s. The immigrants who actually have skilled labour and could help the economy are few and far between. Please read the link I gave you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bob Long said: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html Obviously there is some kind of a breakdown to establish who is coming into the country. Which completely contradicts what Hippy is saying. I’d like to know what the breakdown is of all of those categories. Would be interesting to see the numbers. Edited July 13 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Obviously there is some kind of a breakdown to establish who is coming into the country. Which completely contradicts what Hippy is saying. I’d like to know what the breakdown is of all of those categories. Would be interesting to see the numbers. Hip is discussing entitlement, not process. Edited July 13 by Bob Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 14 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: Original post: OK so what mountain did he really "climb" here This is genuinely driving me nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 31 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If the criteria for immigration is simply to fill out a piece of paper and hop on a plane then that explains everything. It explains why Trudeau’s government let all these people in, for political purposes to pander to his base. And it explains why there is a staggering amount of unemployment within the immigration nucleus, which are the East Indians. It also explains why so many people in the 15-24 age bracket are unemployed. Because we are simply letting people come into the country with zero qualifications, so those people end up working at Tim Horton’s and McDonald’s. The immigrants who actually have skilled labour and could help the economy are few and far between. I am speaking of the expectations of immigration being a home and a job as a guarantee like you stated. Our nation was built on immigrants coming here and killing themselves to make a good life. People EXPECTING to come here with a guarantee of a home and a job is EXCATLY what todays xenophobic right and the loudest conservative pundits are speaking of. Screw the numbers or volume of immigrants, it's the expectation of both when people born and raised here working two jobs don't get given them. To my knowledge there IS no guarantee of either of these but if an immigrants HAS this expectation then they need to stay home. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 22 hours ago, Boudrias said: Not OK. You could also ask whether the income being earned outside Canada is being paid to RCA. That is if they are Canadian. You hear stories about that kind of thing, especially in North Van but, being in the country I don't see it. It's right here in Richmond. Not long ago Terra Nova, one of the areas in Richmond with new luxury homes valued at $1-3M, was one of the "poorest" neighbourhoods according to Stats Can. "Poverty" level. Yet these mega homes have two and three luxury vehicles in the driveway. Students and homemakers "own" these homes but claim no income and get subsidies that that average working Joe just doesn't get. Husband stays overseas and works and that income is not declared. Revenue Canada has to find a way to track this crap as we pay to subsidize these rich bastards. Yes, I'm bitter. It's a real issue. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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