aGENT Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Problem with the current Liberal government is that they are too far to the left for my liking. Keep seeing this sentiment, keep asking for examples. Give us some "for instance". What are the specific policies and laws enacted by the Liberals that are "too far left"? Have they stolen your land and personal wealth for redistribution by the state? Did they take control of the media? Are they suppressing religions? They're pretty damn centrist still. Heck they're even still pretty damn corporate friendly and not far from the Cons in that regard (they're largely different sides of the same coin there in reality). Are we really that upset at them strengthening rights/promoting inclusion and equality? Is that the "boogeyman" here? Women's rights/equality were a good thing when they (largely) got them. Minority rights/equality are a good thing. LGTBQ+ rights/equality are a good thing. Indigenous rights/equality are a good thing. Equality is a good thing. What EXACTLY is so "too far left" about the Liberals? If anything, given the continuing growth in wage disparity, shrinking middle class, corporate profiteering, corporate takeover of housing etc that we keep seeing, we could still stand going a bit further left in some of our tax and corporate (monopolies, fair competition etc) policies. I think it's unfortunately hilarious that anyone thinks the Cons are going to actually improve those things. Cons hasten them, they don't improve them. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 38 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So, you are comparing the Convoy protestors to actual ISIS terrorists who dismember people's bodies and commit terrorist activities around the world? And you call the far night nutjobs... They are no different and deserve no more rights. Both are terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Many more dentists on board to provide services under dental-care program: Holland OTTAWA — Health Minister Mark Holland says he has seen a large jump in the number of dentists who have agreed to provide services under the new dental-care program. https://www.timescolonist.com/national-news/many-more-dentists-on-board-to-provide-services-under-dental-care-program-holland-9318749 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Ontario man charged after threatening Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in online video Another person has been arrested after making threats against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau online. Another person has been arrested after making threats against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau online. Police say a man made violent threats against Trudeau, the police and security personnel who might attempt to interfere with his plans in an online video. RCMP made the arrest with help from the York Regional Police in Ontario. Police charged Dawid Zalewski, 33, with two counts of uttering threats. The arrest comes weeks after two Alberta men were charged after they allegedly directed death threats at the prime minister. RCMP said in July that the men posted threats to kill Trudeau and other politicians on X and YouTube. "Threats to our national security can come in many forms and Canada is not immune," RCMP said in a press release Wednesday. "We are aware of the heightened security environment for public officials and the danger this presents for all Canadians. Our number one priority has been, and will always be, the safety and security of Canadians." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 6 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Ontario man charged after threatening Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in online video Another person has been arrested after making threats against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau online. Another person has been arrested after making threats against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau online. Police say a man made violent threats against Trudeau, the police and security personnel who might attempt to interfere with his plans in an online video. RCMP made the arrest with help from the York Regional Police in Ontario. Police charged Dawid Zalewski, 33, with two counts of uttering threats. The arrest comes weeks after two Alberta men were charged after they allegedly directed death threats at the prime minister. RCMP said in July that the men posted threats to kill Trudeau and other politicians on X and YouTube. "Threats to our national security can come in many forms and Canada is not immune," RCMP said in a press release Wednesday. "We are aware of the heightened security environment for public officials and the danger this presents for all Canadians. Our number one priority has been, and will always be, the safety and security of Canadians." Who the hell let this piece of garbage into Canada though? Still Trudeau's fault this moron's parents didn't use the appropriate protection? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 (edited) 33 minutes ago, aGENT said: Keep seeing this sentiment, keep asking for examples. Give us some "for instance". What are the specific policies and laws enacted by the Liberals that are "too far left"? Have they stolen your land and personal wealth for redistribution by the state? Did they take control of the media? Are they suppressing religions? They're pretty damn centrist still. Heck they're even still pretty damn corporate friendly and not far from the Cons in that regard (they're largely different sides of the same coin there in reality). Are we really that upset at them strengthening rights/promoting inclusion and equality? Is that the "boogeyman" here? Women's rights/equality were a good thing when they (largely) got them. Minority rights/equality are a good thing. LGTBQ+ rights/equality are a good thing. Indigenous rights/equality are a good thing. Equality is a good thing. What EXACTLY is so "too far left" about the Liberals? If anything, given the continuing growth in wage disparity, shrinking middle class, corporate profiteering, corporate takeover of housing etc that we keep seeing, we could still stand going a bit further left in some of our tax and corporate (monopolies, fair competition etc) policies. I think it's unfortunately hilarious that anyone thinks the Cons are going to actually improve those things. Cons hasten them, they don't improve them. I can't speak for him but some examples could include but not limited to. Climate change. Look I know we need to be taking better care of the environment but forcing people into EVs when we don't have even have the infrastructure to support everyone driving one yet is peak insanity. Banning plastic bags then allowing all these businesses to charge people for bags like McDonald's is a joke. Crime. Bill c 75 has been a liberal disaster and people are getting fed up with how criminals are continuing to be released even after multiple offenses. These soft of crime policies are a prime example of bleeding hearts backfiring. Mental health fits into this section as there is no help for these people addicted to various drugs and instead forced to just live on the streets while people like me get to inhale crack smoke and other second hand smokes. Allowing them to camp year round was another policy they have had to back track due to all the weapons and drugs found in these encampments. There's more I'm sure but that's just a quick example of what people would probably define as "too far left" Edited August 7 by Ricky Ravioli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 24 minutes ago, King Heffy said: They are no different and deserve no more rights. Both are terrorists. Uhhhh actually they are very different. One beheaded a living person on camera, the others camped on the legislative lawn. Are you seriously fucking comparing the 2? Holy shit the delusion runs wild in some... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: I never said Biden was actually dead. Although that is the conspiracy theory floating around. I have yet to take that leap. I also said Biden would drop out of the race back in February, I have that on the record. Funny how you and others said for months that there was nothing wrong with Biden at all... Funny how no one really knew until the debate with trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: I voted for Liberal most of my adult life. Problem with the current Liberal government is that they are too far to the left for my liking. They are an extension of the NDP. Seems like alot of people agree with me considering PP and the Conservatives are still dominating all the polls and even have many gen zers on their side... I don't buy it Petey, no one who supports liberal their whole life would switch to PP. It's not credible imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 43 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The fact of the matter is an ISIS terrorist was let into this country and given Canadian citizenship, which is process that takes years. Our immigration policies need to be reviewed and changed so this never happens again. A dig towards the libs? But those posters apparently don't even like Trudeau and never voted for him, so why are they so offended? I wonder what the chances are that the history of this person's arrival into Canada will be looked into? I can't comment on your second sentence. I'm afraid it make no sense to me apart from letting me know you are pissed at a few posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Who the hell let this piece of garbage into Canada though? Still Trudeau's fault this moron's parents didn't use the appropriate protection? The same people who let the ISIS terrorist into the country. Seems like you are coming around to better immigration policies. That’s good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 5 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Uhhhh actually they are very different. One beheaded a living person on camera, the others camped on the legislative lawn. Are you seriously fucking comparing the 2? Holy shit the delusion runs wild in some... It’s scary actually. I’m staring to think they are a part of a cult really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 5 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Uhhhh actually they are very different. One beheaded a living person on camera, the others camped on the legislative lawn. Are you seriously fucking comparing the 2? Holy shit the delusion runs wild in some... I think we were talking about the ones at the border with guns (not those peaceful and friendly patriots temporarily squatting on someone else's lawn). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Just now, Satchmo said: I think we were talking about the ones at the border with guns (not those peaceful and friendly patriots temporarily squatting on someone else's lawn). Maybe Ricky is from Coutts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: It’s scary actually. I’m staring to think they are a part of a cult really. Must be the deep state I suppose. If not that, an inside job for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Bruh, think about this for a hot minute. You've lost the plot man. Justin has nothing better to do to but personally monitor every immigration office in Canada and personally let in terrorists. Clearly I will expect nothing less from PP if he manages to win. 3 hours ago, aGENT said: The modern right is like a grifters wet dream. It is. God it would be so easy to make money off them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The same people who let the ISIS terrorist into the country. Seems like you are coming around to better immigration policies. That’s good news. No, my point is that we shouldn't be electing a PM who openly supports domestic terrorism like Poilivre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 43 minutes ago, aGENT said: Keep seeing this sentiment, keep asking for examples. Give us some "for instance". What are the specific policies and laws enacted by the Liberals that are "too far left"? Have they stolen your land and personal wealth for redistribution by the state? Did they take control of the media? Are they suppressing religions? They're pretty damn centrist still. Heck they're even still pretty damn corporate friendly and not far from the Cons in that regard (they're largely different sides of the same coin there in reality). Are we really that upset at them strengthening rights/promoting inclusion and equality? Is that the "boogeyman" here? Women's rights/equality were a good thing when they (largely) got them. Minority rights/equality are a good thing. LGTBQ+ rights/equality are a good thing. Indigenous rights/equality are a good thing. Equality is a good thing. What EXACTLY is so "too far left" about the Liberals? If anything, given the continuing growth in wage disparity, shrinking middle class, corporate profiteering, corporate takeover of housing etc that we keep seeing, we could still stand going a bit further left in some of our tax and corporate (monopolies, fair competition etc) policies. I think it's unfortunately hilarious that anyone thinks the Cons are going to actually improve those things. Cons hasten them, they don't improve them. The problem with this post is people who try and defend Trudeau and his policies always go to the extreme when calling out the dissenters. Dissenters are always racist, mysonistic, anti women’s rights, anti LGBTQ+ etc. This is exactly the language Trudeau used when going after the anti-vaxxers. The current iteration of the Liberal government is all about big government and going after the rich with more taxes. Wealth distribution is on the cards. Trudeau will turn us into a socialist country. They are all about spending money they don’t have. Racking up the debt so that the future generations are completely fucked. This is why even many gen zers are now voting Conservative. Many more people will be voting Conservative than Liberal in the next election. There is a reason for this. Perfect example is the CRA. Did you know the CRA has 59,000 employees? With a population of 41 million people. Just to compare, the IRS has 95,000 employees for a population of close to 340 million. Talk about fat cat government spending. Lots of pork on that one. Just cutting the CRA staff in half would save over $2.5 billion per year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I think we were talking about the ones at the border with guns (not those peaceful and friendly patriots temporarily squatting on someone else's lawn). That was a very small fraction of the convoy. Also how in the world does that even remotely compare to a Isis member beheading someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Just now, Ricky Ravioli said: That was a very small fraction of the convoy. Also how in the world does that even remotely compare to a Isis member beheading someone? I maintain that Hip was talking about small groups - just like you just did - but maybe you should ask him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 7 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: I can't speak for him but some examples could include but not limited to. Climate change. Look I know we need to be taking better care of the environment but forcing people into EVs when we don't have even have the infrastructure to support everyone driving one yet is peak insanity. Funny, I'm still driving my (albeit efficient) ICE car. Nobody has "forced me in to an EV". And I'd argue that given the urgency on climate change, we should be making hard decisions and firm policies/taxation to encourage movement away from carbon. That's the role of responsible government. Granted you need a plan, a road map etc and that could certainly use some work. The only way to get that infrastructure there, is policies to promote it. And you seem to agree we do in fact need to do something (we do), so this doesn't seem to qualify as "too left". 7 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Banning plastic bags then allowing all these businesses to charge people for bags like McDonald's is a joke. Why is it a joke? Plastics, like carbon are a MAJOR environmental issue. As above, this is in fact the role of responsible government. Hard decisions for the long term benefit of the country and it's citizens. I already made an effort to minimize my single use plastic use, none of these laws have had any effect on my day to day. I also don't see how this is "too left" 7 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Crime. Bill c 75 has been a liberal disaster and people are getting fed up with how criminals are continuing to be released even after multiple offenses. These soft of crime policies are a prime example of bleeding hearts backfiring. "Bleading hearts" "Tough on crime" hasn't worked any better FWIW. The problem with "bleading heart" (AKA progressive) crime policies, is that you need the proper supports in place to have them be successful. Again, a better follow up plan/roadmap is needed. The policies themselves aren't the problem, we have evidence of this from countries who've had success with similar initiatives, when properly supported/followed through. By that definition, if anything it's "not left enough". 7 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Mental health fits into this section as there is no help for these people addicted to various drugs and instead forced to just live on the streets while people like me get to inhale crack smoke and other second hand smokes. Allowing them to camp year round was another policy they have had to back track due to all the weapons and drugs found in these encampments. There's more I'm sure but that's just a quick example of what people would probably define as "too far left" See above. The decriminalization of drug use, having it fall under a mental health vs criminal umbrella, is a step in the right direction. Addiction, trauma, mental health are not criminal issues. But you need the proper support and systems in place to actually deal with these people. Again, if anything it's "not left enough". Reversing the little good that's been done by voting in Cons is not the answer. That's just takes us back to the bad place we already were. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 55 minutes ago, King Heffy said: They are no different and deserve no more rights. Both are terrorists. 4 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I maintain that Hip was talking about small groups - just like you just did - but maybe you should ask him. I was responding to the bolded. The delusion to even compare the two is actually hilarious to me though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 4 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: I was responding to the bolded. The delusion to even compare the two is actually hilarious to me though I don't always agree with Hef but it could be said a terrorist is a terrorist, foreign or domestic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Keep seeing this sentiment, keep asking for examples. Give us some "for instance". What are the specific policies and laws enacted by the Liberals that are "too far left"? Have they stolen your land and personal wealth for redistribution by the state? Did they take control of the media? Are they suppressing religions? They're pretty damn centrist still. Heck they're even still pretty damn corporate friendly and not far from the Cons in that regard (they're largely different sides of the same coin there in reality). Are we really that upset at them strengthening rights/promoting inclusion and equality? Is that the "boogeyman" here? Women's rights/equality were a good thing when they (largely) got them. Minority rights/equality are a good thing. LGTBQ+ rights/equality are a good thing. Indigenous rights/equality are a good thing. Equality is a good thing. What EXACTLY is so "too far left" about the Liberals? If anything, given the continuing growth in wage disparity, shrinking middle class, corporate profiteering, corporate takeover of housing etc that we keep seeing, we could still stand going a bit further left in some of our tax and corporate (monopolies, fair competition etc) policies. I think it's unfortunately hilarious that anyone thinks the Cons are going to actually improve those things. Cons hasten them, they don't improve them. Why am I not surprised the response to your reasonable ask above is a mixture of deflection, hyperbole, and strawmen? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I don't always agree with Hef but it could be said a terrorist is a terrorist, foreign or domestic. Let's not get lost in semantics here... Do you truly believe beheading someone is comparable to blocking the border? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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