Canadian Politics Thread

[Bob Long]

On 8/22/2024 at 2:43 PM, Gnarcore said:

 

My motorbike is greener than EVs..where is my subsidy? 

OK...3 of the 5 are....one is a maybe and one absolutely is NOT!

 

I'm seriously thinking about buying a full EV this fall while the $9,000 in fed+provincial incentives are in place. PP will kill that day 1, so will the BC con's if they get in. 

 

Edited August 24 by Bob Long

[Bob Long]

@stawns "I know he's not the middle, thatz the point.....let's give another perspective a try.  Their policies move the country forward and with the largest generation (anchor) in human history dying off, it's time to change course, imo.

 

I don't buy the "can't afford it" argument.  It's a bullshit red herring"

 

Why? why just "give another perspective a try?" Just because?

 

And no money isn't a red herring, someone has to pay for all the goodies. 

 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

Rail strike update:
 

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Labour board decision expected Saturday in railway dispute

 

Teamsters Canada Rail Conference members picket outside the CPKC headquarters in Calgary, Alta., Friday, Aug. 23, 2024.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntosh

   

By The Canadian Press

Posted August 24, 2024 4:25 am.

Last Updated August 24, 2024 9:44 am.

 

The future of an unprecedented Canada railway stoppage hinged on a decision expected Saturday from a federal labour board amid an ongoing, bitter contract dispute between the country’s two largest railway companies and the Teamsters union representing thousands of their workers. 

 

Teamsters, Canadian National and Canadian Pacific Kansas City were all waiting on a decision after a “marathon nine-hour hearing” before the Canada Industrial Relations Board, the union said.  

 

“The union will lawfully abide by any decision from the CIRB, and is prepared to file challenges in Federal Court if necessary,” the union said in a statement issued after Friday’s hearing. 

A spokesman for the Canadian Industrial Relations Board said members were deliberating and set to issue a decision later Saturday.

 

Freight shipments and some major commuter lines across Canada came to a standstill on Thursday when CN and CPKC locked out workers after months of increasingly acrimonious contract talks failed to yield a deal. It marked the first time there were simultaneous work stoppages at the railways. 

 

Labour Minister Steven MacKinnon stepped in later that day, asking the labour board to send the parties to binding arbitration and to force workers back on the job while an agreement is hammered out. 

 

MacKinnon’s directive said binding arbitration would produce a settlement to secure “industrial peace” and protect Canada’s trade relationships and sectors hit hard by the shutdown.

The board held meetings Thursday night and Friday, and has said it’s addressing the issue “with utmost urgency.” 

 

CPKC workers went on strike at the same time a lockout came into effect early Thursday morning. While CN lifted its lock out on Thursday, workers there could strike as early as Monday after Teamsters issued a 72-hour notice on Friday. 

 

CN said service had resumed across Canada Friday morning and no major issues had yet been reported. 

 

“The ramp up is continuing. We are focused on powering the economy and we call on the union to do the same and not take the Canadian economy hostage,” spokesman Jonathan Abecassis said in an interview Saturday. 

 

CPKC’s operations remained shut down as of Friday. 

 

The Teamsters say both companies are attempting to weaken protections around rest periods, shift length and scheduling, jeopardizing worker safety. CN also has a plan to move some employees to far-flung locations for several months at a time to fill labour gaps, the union says.

 

The Teamsters have said the labour minister’s referral was unconstitutional and would “destroy collective bargaining rights.” 

 

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/08/24/rail-industry-labour-board-dispute/

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

20 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Another reason this moron should not be PM.  It's sad that there are many who will need an explanation.

 

 

 

 

What an abhorrent little shit bird he is. Trying to co-opt this day of rememberance for political reasons while misrepresenting its purpose. 

 

Btw, anyone who thinks the nazis were socialists is either ignorant or being disingenuous. Neither option being acceptable for someone who wants to lead our country

[Kootenay Gold]

39 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

What an abhorrent little shit bird he is. Trying to co-opt this day of rememberance for political reasons while misrepresenting its purpose. 

 

Btw, anyone who thinks the nazis were socialists is either ignorant or being disingenuous. Neither option being acceptable for someone who wants to lead our country

For any politician not to know the difference between Socialism, Fascism or Communism is a pretty sad reflection on the sorry state of politics in this day and age.

[Bob Long]

35 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

For any politician not to know the difference between Socialism, Fascism or Communism is a pretty sad reflection on the sorry state of politics in this day and age.

 

Both sides tho. 

[Kootenay Gold]

22 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Both sides tho. 

Yes; both sides of the aisle.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said:

For any politician not to know the difference between Socialism, Fascism or Communism is a pretty sad reflection on the sorry state of politics in this day and age.

The real purpose of the day is for the rememberance of the victims of totalitarianism, regardless of the political ideology behind it. Anyone who would try to paint it in a different light, especially for political purposes, is an embarrassment, and the antithesis of the message Black Ribbon day was meant to convey. Pp has no shame, and no honour. I could never support a man like this. 

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

The real purpose of the day is for the rememberance of the victims of totalitarianism, regardless of the political ideology behind it. Anyone who would try to paint it in a different light, especially for political purposes, is an embarrassment, and the antithesis of the message Black Ribbon day was meant to convey. Pp has no shame, and no honour. I could never support a man like this. 

 

maybe he wanted to change the channel from showing Russian jets? 

[Optimist Prime]

On 8/23/2024 at 3:43 PM, the destroyer of worlds said:

Another reason this moron should not be PM.  It's sad that there are many who will need an explanation.

 

 

 

 

what a complete tool Mr Poutine really is. 

[Bob Long]

Just now, Optimist Prime said:

what a complete tool Mr Poutine really is. 

 

I think he probably is the infamous Pierre poutine.

[Optimist Prime]

So, i guess over the summer Pierre lost a substantial amount of his popularity as people had time to read facts maybe. Numbers are still coming in next week but early reports I am seeing are between 4% and 12%, depending on the pollster, of lost support 'lead' for the Con Men since June 4th. 

 

edit: my go to pollster had the CONS with a lead of 21.5% around early May, now that I am looking directly at it. Aug 16th that lead is 14%: a loss of over  7%. This one pollster updates to me late monday but I am hearing it closes the gap again. The paying large groups like political parties and businesses get the numbers as they come out, I see them about 4 or 5 days later.  Other pollsters the 'gap' shrinks even more. 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

More rail strike news:

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Federal labour board orders rail workers back on the job, imposes binding arbitration

Union will appeal but 'lawfully comply' with the ruling, Teamsters president says

The Canadian Press · Posted: Aug 24, 2024 8:12 AM PDT | Last Updated: 28 minutes ago

The Teamsters union, which represents the rail workers at both Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Kansas City, said in a statement that it will 'lawfully comply' with the board's decision but that it will appeal the ruling. (Patrick Morrell/CBC)

 

The federal labour board has ordered thousands of rail employees back to work after a bitter contract dispute shut down the country's two major railways.

 

The decision by the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB) imposes binding arbitration on the parties following a work stoppage at Canadian National Railway (CN) and Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC) that halted freight shipments and snarled commutes across the country since Thursday morning.

 

The ruling comes after federal Labour Minister Steven MacKinnon directed the arm's-length tribunal on Thursday afternoon to begin the arbitration process, stating that the parties were at an impasse and Canadian businesses and trade relationships were at stake.

 

The Teamsters union challenged the government's move, but the board on Saturday said the tribunal had no authority to decide whether the minister's directive was valid.

 

The union, which represents the rail workers at both companies, said in a statement that it will "lawfully comply" with the decision but that it will appeal the ruling.

 

"This decision by the CIRB sets a dangerous precedent," Paul Boucher, president of the Teamsters Canada Rail Conference, is quoted as saying in the statement.

 

"It signals to Corporate Canada that large companies need only stop their operations for a few hours, inflict short-term economic pain, and the federal government will step in to break a union. The rights of Canadian workers have been significantly diminished today."

 

Cargo traffic and some commuter lines across Canada came to a standstill on Thursday when CN and CPKC locked out workers after months of increasingly acrimonious contract talks failed to yield a deal.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cirb-decision-railway-dispute-1.7304194

[Gnarcore]

9 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

I'm seriously thinking about buying a full EV this fall while the $9,000 in fed+provincial incentives are in place. PP will kill that day 1, so will the BC con's if they get in. 

 

I almost bought a used Ionic 5 last year after driving a buddy's. Not cuz of green but because it was fucking fun. Bought another bike instead hahaha

[Bob Long]

13 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

I almost bought a used Ionic 5 last year after driving a buddy's. Not cuz of green but because it was fucking fun. Bought another bike instead hahaha

 

They are fun for sure.

[Optimist Prime]

I would have got one by now except I can wear two of the ionic as shoes. Hoping to check out a Silverado EV when they launch

[Sabrefan1]

First time I've been on this thread. 

 

Apparently Canada is full of colonial racists according to Toronto's deputy mayor.

 

Soooo Toronto wants to start giving illegal aliens, from anywhere/everywhere, permanent residency. 

 

That being said, we here in the US have millions of illegal immigrants that we can send to you to beef up your numbers.

 

Normally I'd ignore a tweet like this figuring it was just someone popping off, but it came with a video and the quotes he wrote are accurate.

 

So my question is this...   Since Toronto in particular and Ontario in general have so many people, will this become an actual thing that Trudeau picks up and runs with nationwide?

 

 

 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said:

First time I've been on this thread. 

 

Apparently Canada is full of colonial racists according to Toronto's deputy mayor.

 

Soooo Toronto wants to start giving illegal aliens, from anywhere/everywhere, permanent residency. 

 

That being said, we here in the US have millions of illegal immigrants that we can send to you to beef up your numbers.

 

Normally I'd ignore a tweet like this figuring it was just someone popping off, but it came with a video and the quotes he wrote are accurate.

 

So my question is this...   Since Toronto in particular and Ontario in general have so many people, will this become an actual thing that Trudeau picks up and runs with nationwide?

 

 

 

 

Not sure who this guy is but we've been working on this for a while - found a good summary here: https://www.bellissimolawgroup.com/amnesties-separating-fact-from-fiction-a-pathway-to-permanent-residence-or-worker-permit-holder-for-non-status-workers/

[Optimist Prime]

I dunno about this one, the long swoopy trend line from mid 2022 till recent days has me thinking some data has been ommitted. However, the recent trends are accurate according to other pollsters than EKOS. 

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2024/08/conservative-party-experiences-largest-decline-since-pierre-poilievre-assumed-leadership/

 

[Ottawa – August 21, 2024] The Conservative Party has enjoyed a profound advantage in federal vote intention since Pierre Poilievre assumed leadership. Over the past year, this advantage has been in the high teens and reached 24 points in June. The stability and magnitude of this lead pointed to a pretty certain path to a commanding majority government. While the Conservative lead continues to be sizable, the past few weeks have seen the largest decline since Mr. Poilievre’s ascendance as leader. While the Conservative lead is still comfortable, the massive advantage of 24 points in June is now a more modest 14 points.

[Optimist Prime]

1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said:

First time I've been on this thread. 

 

Apparently Canada is full of colonial racists according to Toronto's deputy mayor.

 

Soooo Toronto wants to start giving illegal aliens, from anywhere/everywhere, permanent residency. 

 

That being said, we here in the US have millions of illegal immigrants that we can send to you to beef up your numbers.

 

Normally I'd ignore a tweet like this figuring it was just someone popping off, but it came with a video and the quotes he wrote are accurate.

 

So my question is this...   Since Toronto in particular and Ontario in general have so many people, will this become an actual thing that Trudeau picks up and runs with nationwide?

 

 

 

I don't know the answer to your specific question, however, I know a thing or two cuz i have seen a thing or two. 

 

Border security is important. Sealing up the holes that people slip through and human traffickers leverage is important. In the USA, more so than here, i want to say first, the reality is that there are a LOT of people in the stream of society who are not documented. Those people are exposed to exploitation, harm and ongoing abuse on the daily, and it is also likely that they have nothing to 'go back home' to. No lives, no savings, no people, and in a lot of cases more abuse and more harm and in even a few cases, they would be facing death. No one goes on the run to a foreign country and lives an undocumented scared life just for kicks. These people were fleeing harm, poverty, injustice and corruption when they arrived. Some have been here for decades. 

I support a path to citizenship for so called 'illegals' in Canada and in the USA, while also supporting better borders for the two nations, mostly at the US southern border. I never understood why the far left opposed "building that wall" in America, i think on account of they knew Mexico wasn't gonna pay for it.  Build better border security in the south of the USA, and provide a way for nonviolent undocumented folks to become 'legal' and therefore reduce the harm they face every single day of their lives. 
In Canada we don't need a wall between us and America, it is working just fine without the expense. The US has 350 million people to pay for a wall, we have 38 million, so just skip it. Tighten up our security with better surveilance and rapid response teams in each province. Then also get to work on a path for nonviolent undocumented folks to become 'legal' and escape all the harms that come with living a life on the downlow. Think about sex working 'illegal' women and young men, and underpaid overworked older 'illegals'. The very people who support the Republicans in the USA have tens of thousands of these people working in their factories. When one factory was about to go union the owner called the agency that polices illegals in the USA and saw over 1000 of his underpaid employees deported: just one article I read years ago. 

anywho, that is my two cents, but in all my political dealings with the Liberal Party of Canada, I have not heard of a policy of supporting this concept, I just know it is the right thing to pursue. 

[Sabrefan1]

15 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

I don't know the answer to your specific question, however, I know a thing or two cuz i have seen a thing or two. 

 

Border security is important. Sealing up the holes that people slip through and human traffickers leverage is important. In the USA, more so than here, i want to say first, the reality is that there are a LOT of people in the stream of society who are not documented. Those people are exposed to exploitation, harm and ongoing abuse on the daily, and it is also likely that they have nothing to 'go back home' to. No lives, no savings, no people, and in a lot of cases more abuse and more harm and in even a few cases, they would be facing death. No one goes on the run to a foreign country and lives an undocumented scared life just for kicks. These people were fleeing harm, poverty, injustice and corruption when they arrived. Some have been here for decades. 

I support a path to citizenship for so called 'illegals' in Canada and in the USA, while also supporting better borders for the two nations, mostly at the US southern border. I never understood why the far left opposed "building that wall" in America, i think on account of they knew Mexico wasn't gonna pay for it.  Build better border security in the south of the USA, and provide a way for nonviolent undocumented folks to become 'legal' and therefore reduce the harm they face every single day of their lives. 
In Canada we don't need a wall between us and America, it is working just fine without the expense. The US has 350 million people to pay for a wall, we have 38 million, so just skip it. Tighten up our security with better surveilance and rapid response teams in each province. Then also get to work on a path for nonviolent undocumented folks to become 'legal' and escape all the harms that come with living a life on the downlow. Think about sex working 'illegal' women and young men, and underpaid overworked older 'illegals'. The very people who support the Republicans in the USA have tens of thousands of these people working in their factories. When one factory was about to go union the owner called the agency that polices illegals in the USA and saw over 1000 of his underpaid employees deported: just one article I read years ago. 

anywho, that is my two cents, but in all my political dealings with the Liberal Party of Canada, I have not heard of a policy of supporting this concept, I just know it is the right thing to pursue. 

 

 

If Canada becomes very immigrant friendly and starts handing out quasi-citizenship to illegals like this Toronto Deputy Mayor wants to, mark my words, the next time that the Republicans take over the US federal government, we'll more or less open a corridor from our southern border straight through to the Canadian border just like what was done during the Trump Administration pre-covid.  It has turned out to give southern states relief with them bussing illegals to sanctuary cities.  Give them an entire country to dump illegals into and they'll have bus companies lined up willing to drive them in long convoys to the Canadian border so they can get their residency there and get everything that your government will give them just like they do in the US sanctuary cities.

[Optimist Prime]

8 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

 

If Canada becomes very immigrant friendly and starts handing out quasi-citizenship to illegals like this Toronto Deputy Mayor wants to, mark my words, the next time that the Republicans take over the US federal government, we'll more or less open a corridor from our southern border straight through to the Canadian border just like what was done during the Trump Administration pre-covid.  It has turned out to give southern states relief with them bussing illegals to sanctuary cities.  Give them an entire country to dump illegals into and they'll have bus companies lined up willing to drive them in long convoys to the Canadian border so they can get their residency there and get everything that your government will give them just like they do in the US sanctuary cities.

I actually believe this to be true, yes. 

 

I think the key is working to a better seal at the borders, for both of our world leading nations. We are 2 of the countries in the G7, and we are always topping global economics stats, in an odd way Canada and the USA have a more perfect union than that of the actual USA, hahaha, weird as that may seem. On a global and glacial scale we are seeing the USA come up towards Canada's social safety net system. We are not socialist per se, but we look after our people a bit better but with far higher taxes due to our low population base, relative to the USA. Obama Care and other systems in place way before then are bringing you guys up towards our standards of care for those at risk in society, and i think at that point it will be pretty much a North American Economic Union that seals our deal together for the millenia. 

[Sabrefan1]

37 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

Not sure who this guy is but we've been working on this for a while - found a good summary here: https://www.bellissimolawgroup.com/amnesties-separating-fact-from-fiction-a-pathway-to-permanent-residence-or-worker-permit-holder-for-non-status-workers/

 

It would be a sensible plan, but that's not what this deputy mayor is suggesting.  She wants all of you racist colonialists in Canada to provide permanent residential status to ALL illegal immigrants.

 

I'm just curious if in Canada's fervor to be as inclusive as humanly possible, will it go down the same path as Western Europe and just let it's border become porous to illegal immigrants.

 

That's the ball that this politician, who is one heartbeat away from becoming mayor of Canada's largest city, wants to get rolling.  She's also Muslim and a woman, so Canadians may get excited in the future to try and get her into the PM's office.

 

I'm sure stranger things have happened.

[Sabrefan1]

2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

I actually believe this to be true, yes. 

 

Then I hope for Canada's sake that it swallows it's pride and stops the finger wagging at others and charters a fleet of Air Canada planes to take many of the non-contributing illegals back to their country of origin.

 

There's only so many non-skilled jobs that are available in Canada.  Drop millions of people willing to work for low pay and you'll see wages stagnate all over the country while prices for your everyday needs go up.

 

Living in Vancouver is expensive enough as it is.  You don't need it to become worse.

[Optimist Prime]

9 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

It would be a sensible plan, but that's not what this deputy mayor is suggesting.  She wants all of you racist colonialists in Canada to provide permanent residential status to ALL illegal immigrants.

 

I'm just curious if in Canada's fervor to be as inclusive as humanly possible, will it go down the same path as Western Europe and just let it's border become porous to illegal immigrants.

 

That's the ball that this politician, who is one heartbeat away from becoming mayor of Canada's largest city, wants to get rolling.  She's also Muslim and a woman, so Canadians may get excited in the future to try and get her into the PM's office.

 

I'm sure stranger things have happened.

As with the USA, who can point to exactly ONE country letting illegals get to their border, Canada can simply look directly south to the USA and point at our illegals problem. One crossing in particular was a key political moment here for a bit. It was super famous for people in the USA to jump to Canada without crossing legally. Took a bit to shut that down but it is sealed now. 

As for what a politician wants and says out loud, you yankees oughta know that in a democracy, you can say crazy shit all you want, but when it comes time to vote again the people have a memory like elephants. (edit: well at least up here we do)