Optimist Prime Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 10 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: She was talking about black people, not First Nation. Honest question. Is there a racism problem as it pertains to black people in Canada? The First Nation racism is well known and very unfortunate. Coast to Coast there are pockets, yeah. I feel like if you are going to be racist against F.N. you are going to be racist towards any skin tone that isn't your own, so that was my anecdote. Here is another; I ran into a fellow running a gas station that I rarely fill up at but my family used to fill up at when I was growing up. The guy behind the till looked just like the guy behind the till from forty years ago, so I asked. He remembered my family, small town, but no, that was his brother, he bought the business from his family when the brother passed away. He suggested I might know him from "Hindu Hill" in Lake Cowichan, the small town. I instantly said "I don't call it that, but I know where you mean, I grew up near the laundromat. He says "well your dad didn't mind calling it that, so I assumed you would know where it was". we chatted a bit, his home is awesome, right near the station, like a little mansion in pink with a cute yard. He does well with the gas station but misses Lake Cowichan. Anyhow, there is a vignette of racism in Canada. In pockets, and certainly worse historically, it exists. The hill in question was the cheaper side of town with all the p.o.c. folks living there. Like tiny town segregation. Dumb shit anyhow, but you get the idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 30 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: i find most posters on here to be pretty left/centre. Not too far left. Maybe because a lot of posters on here are from all over bc ( and beyond!) I zoomed in on your projection map, hard to find the orange hotbed anymore. Used to be the entire Island was orange too... I just wasn't sure if Sabre knew the context. I'd be surprised if the NDP lost many seats in BC next election. 30 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: We're in for a blue future. It gonna make us all feel blue but seems like we need reminding of what the cons bring. sadly it looks like it. I can't support them, and while I can agree with many of the NDP aspirations, I need a party that can implement those things otherwise it's just futility. Thats why I think the current NDP-Lib thing is working out well for a lot of people, NDP pushes, Lib's implement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I just wasn't sure if Sabre knew the context. I'd be surprised if the NDP lost many seats in BC next election. sadly it looks like it. I can't support them, and while I can agree with many of the NDP aspirations, I need a party that can implement those things otherwise it's just futility. Thats why I think the current NDP-Lib thing is working out well for a lot of people, NDP pushes, Lib's implement. It seemed you were telling Sabre that most on this site are far left. I hope we dont go back to the BC Libs Cons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 4 hours ago, Bob Long said: I think this needs some context. The Toronto mayor is the wife of the late jack Layton, who was leader of the federal NDP. So left of Bernie and outside of one election always a 3rd or 4th place party. No big surprise that she'd have someone like this on staff. She can push for whatever she wants, it's a non-starter as federal policy. Yep. Much ado about nothing, IMO. It wouldn't matter if she was full mayor of Toronto, or Ottawa....she still doesn't get to decide immigration policy. That being said, Canada's Freedom of Expression laws mean that she can advocate for whatever she wants, as long as it doesn't cause harm to her fellow citizens. I support a path to citizenship for all immigrants, not matter how they got here, however, that doesn't mean I support a "rubber stamping" process. Immigration in Canada will continue to be decided as it always has....in a case by case manner, based on merit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 17 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: It seemed you were telling Sabre that most on this site are far left. I hope we dont go back to the BC Libs Cons. No Im saying the Canucks are located in a major NDP area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Yep. Much ado about nothing, IMO. It wouldn't matter if she was full mayor of Toronto, or Ottawa....she still doesn't get to decide immigration policy. That being said, Canada's Freedom of Expression laws mean that she can advocate for whatever she wants, as long as it doesn't cause harm to her fellow citizens. I support a path to citizenship for all immigrants, not matter how they got here, however, that doesn't mean I support a "rubber stamping" process. Immigration in Canada will continue to be decided as it always has....in a case by case manner, based on merit. Exactly. But that kind of speech does give the right the energy to keep pushing anti immigration stuff. It's not helping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Exactly. But that kind of speech does give the right the energy to keep pushing anti immigration stuff. It's not helping. I'm very interested in hearing what the Right's strategy is for immigration, because we do need it. The demographic age cliff is coming and we need the population to back up the economy and also resist being squeezed between US and Russia geo-politically. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 6 minutes ago, Bob Long said: No Im saying the Canucks are located in a major NDP area. Bob: The far left party is the NDP, the orange guys on the map. If you zoom in on southwest BC, you'll notice that Vancouver is in a lefty hotbed, so if you were ever wondering why you got so much lefty pushback, you just happened to pick a fan base located in a very left area. This reads like you are saying that Sabre gets pushback because the people that post here are far left. I pointed out that this site has posters from all over and that most are not 'far left'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RupertKBD Posted August 25 Popular Post Share Posted August 25 1 minute ago, bishopshodan said: Bob: The far left party is the NDP, the orange guys on the map. If you zoom in on southwest BC, you'll notice that Vancouver is in a lefty hotbed, so if you were ever wondering why you got so much lefty pushback, you just happened to pick a fan base located in a very left area. This reads like you are saying that Sabre gets pushback because the people that post here are far left. I pointed out that this site has posters from all over and that most are not 'far left'. Further to that, I think "far left" is a dumb moniker....It's something conservatives like to use a pejorative, but it's meaningless, IMO. It isn't radical to want to protect the environment, provide healthcare and lift the poor out of poverty..... 1 1 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 1 minute ago, bishopshodan said: Bob: The far left party is the NDP, the orange guys on the map. If you zoom in on southwest BC, you'll notice that Vancouver is in a lefty hotbed, so if you were ever wondering why you got so much lefty pushback, you just happened to pick a fan base located in a very left area. This reads like you are saying that Sabre gets pushback because the people that post here are far left. I pointed out that this site has posters from all over and that most are not 'far left'. Relative terms that, just like the directional left and right, really depend on where you and/or the person you are speaking to are standing when you use them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 12 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Bob: The far left party is the NDP, the orange guys on the map. If you zoom in on southwest BC, you'll notice that Vancouver is in a lefty hotbed, so if you were ever wondering why you got so much lefty pushback, you just happened to pick a fan base located in a very left area. This reads like you are saying that Sabre gets pushback because the people that post here are far left. I pointed out that this site has posters from all over and that most are not 'far left'. yea I did kind of say that, but I also stand by it. I do find anytime I make a peep about the NDP here I get a lot of flack. And thats fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 9 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Further to that, I think "far left" is a dumb moniker....It's something conservatives like to use a pejorative, but it's meaningless, IMO. It isn't radical to want to protect the environment, provide healthcare and lift the poor out of poverty..... I'm comfortable saying the deputy mayor of TO is in that camp with the comments she made (assuming they were accurate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 16 minutes ago, DSVII said: I'm very interested in hearing what the Right's strategy is for immigration, because we do need it. The demographic age cliff is coming and we need the population to back up the economy and also resist being squeezed between US and Russia geo-politically. I doubt they'll change it much tbh. They can't really, our country needs it. Oh they'll make some public flogging of some program but the numbers won't decrease by much, if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 15 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I'm comfortable saying the deputy mayor of TO is in that camp with the comments she made (assuming they were accurate). I'm sure you are. However, you also referred to the entire federal NDP as far left..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 18 minutes ago, Bob Long said: yea I did kind of say that, but I also stand by it. I do find anytime I make a peep about the NDP here I get a lot of flack. And thats fine. Well, I dont think you always see the NDP with clear glasses. And thats fine. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 8 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: I'm sure you are. However, you also referred to the entire federal NDP as far left..... many of their ideas are far left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Just now, Bob Long said: many of their ideas are far left. Such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 9 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Well, I dont think you always see the NDP with clear glasses. And thats fine. very well could be. I'm always open to new info to change my views, if you can point me to detailed plans that I can look at that would be great. As it stands today I don't see it. But I also don't think they really need it, they are able to push some very good ideas for programs and others can figure out how to actually get it done. I think this is actually the golden age for the federal NDP right now in terms of actually getting things done. But it's also not the party I'd trust to represent us on things like international trade or defence. But again, I'm open to hearing about it if there's something to chew on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Such as? well lets begin with the rail labour dispute. Jag's position was for the government to not get involved, and let it play out. Thats a far left labour position, that would have real damage to our economy. He gets to say that though, because he knows the lib's can't let that happen. Their trade policy is highly protectionist: https://www.ndp.ca/economy I don't think they've been fair in their criticism of some files either. If you listened to Jag talk about the water situation on reserves, it sounded like nothing was being done, which is far from the truth. It's not over, but it's getting there with real progress all that time. Edited August 25 by Bob Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: well lets begin with the rail labour dispute. Jag's position was for the government to not get involved, and let it play out. Thats a far left labour position, that would have real damage to our economy. He gets to say that though, because he knows the lib's can't let that happen. Their trade policy is highly protectionist: https://www.ndp.ca/economy I don't think they've been fair in their criticism of some files either. If you listened to Jag talk about the water situation on reserves, it sounded like nothing was being done, which is far from the truth. It's not over, but it's getting there with real progress all that time. Not saying I agree with everything they do or say, but I disagree that these things are "far" left. We can agree to disagree about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Not saying I agree with everything they do or say, but I disagree that these things are "far" left. We can agree to disagree about that. well, they aint right or centre this all started btw with me talking to Sabre about Canadian politics, from an American pov, I'm sure we seem damn near socialist. Edited August 25 by Bob Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Just now, Bob Long said: well, their aint right or centre Correct. They are left of center. No other modifier required, IMO. When you start throwing "far left" around, it makes you sound like a PPC supporter.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: Correct. They are left of center. No other modifier required, IMO. When you start throwing "far left" around, it makes you sound like a PPC supporter.... ouch. Not sure what I said to deserve that. I dunno, maybe it's my age, but when you're willing to let a labour dispute cost a country billions, yeah that seems far left to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 10 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Their trade policy is highly protectionist In fairness, protectionism happens with both right and left wing ideology - it's one of those things that is more of a localist/nationalist vs. internationalist perspective as opposed to left vs. right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 6 minutes ago, Bob Long said: ouch. Not sure what I said to deserve that. I dunno, maybe it's my age, but when you're willing to let a labour dispute cost a country billions, yeah that seems far left to me. Check out any political discussion in the media.....see who else uses "far left"..... Also, I'm not sure what your age has to do with anything. I'm pretty sure I'm older than you..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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