bishopshodan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) woah, nm. My pc is doing a funky cold medina Edited September 3 by bishopshodan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 20 hours ago, aGENT said: Took us only a few months to get a doctor on Vancouver Island and the NDP have made a lot of positive changes in adding docs, training more docs, nurse practitioners etc As someone who works in the field, the influx of physicians coming in is like nothing I've ever seen before. There's a lot of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 https://macleans.ca/society/how-we-got-to-41-million/ Good article from macleans about the Liberals failings and why their support is in the gutter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) On 9/1/2024 at 2:10 PM, bolt said: Things were much better under Harper. If Trudeau was doing such a great job he would be re-elected or wouldn't have to rely on coalitions. No, they were not better under an evil bigot who sold out our national resources to the Chinese. Electing Trudeau was necessary to rid the country of this piece of trash. Treason Harper still insists on disgracing his country by promoting fascism around the world even after he was finally forced to stop inflicting his barbaric beliefs on innocent Canadians. Edited September 3 by King Heffy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris12345 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 22 minutes ago, Duodenum said: As someone who works in the field, the influx of physicians coming in is like nothing I've ever seen before. There's a lot of them. Nice! Hopefully they like rural BC. Hospital ers are always closed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 18 hours ago, Bob Long said: There's no clinics taking new patients anywhere in Chilliwack for three years? You clearly have no idea just how bad the healthcare in this country is becoming do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 22 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: You clearly have no idea just how bad the healthcare in this country is becoming do you? Dunno Ricky, tell me more about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Dunno Ricky, tell me more about it. Ignorance like this is why the NDP is struggling in the polls right now. Just because you have a doctor and access to them doesn't mean thousands aren't struggling to get basic care Edited September 3 by Ricky Ravioli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 5 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Ignorance like this is why the NDP is struggling in the polls right now. Just because you have a doctor and access to them doesn't mean thousands aren't struggling to get basic care Do you have any links or numbers, or are you just going to whine at me today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 30 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Do you have any links or numbers, or are you just going to whine at me today? "Whine"? lol ok then... One in five adult Canadians doesn't have a family doctor, study finds A recent survey and peer-reviewed analysis have found British Columbians are the third least likely to have a family doctor in Canada and the most likely to use walk-in clinics. More than one in five Canadian adults report having no family doctor, a new study has found. The analysis is based on survey responses from more than 9,200 people across Canada, collected in the fall of 2022 and published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal Tuesday by 21 doctors and medical researchers from across the country. First author Dr. Tara Kiran, a family physician at St. Michael’s Hospital and associate professor at the University of Toronto, said its unconscionable that in some parts of the country, a third of adults — about 6.5 million Canadians — are shut out from access to regular primary health care. https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law-politics/one-in-five-adult-canadians-dont-have-a-family-doctor-study-finds-8776013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 45 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: "Whine"? lol ok then... One in five adult Canadians doesn't have a family doctor, study finds A recent survey and peer-reviewed analysis have found British Columbians are the third least likely to have a family doctor in Canada and the most likely to use walk-in clinics. More than one in five Canadian adults report having no family doctor, a new study has found. The analysis is based on survey responses from more than 9,200 people across Canada, collected in the fall of 2022 and published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal Tuesday by 21 doctors and medical researchers from across the country. First author Dr. Tara Kiran, a family physician at St. Michael’s Hospital and associate professor at the University of Toronto, said its unconscionable that in some parts of the country, a third of adults — about 6.5 million Canadians — are shut out from access to regular primary health care. https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law-politics/one-in-five-adult-canadians-dont-have-a-family-doctor-study-finds-8776013 This part is quite interesting to me, as it really speaks to making the system more accessible. It's not just about throwing more taxes at the issue: Many family doctors don’t end up in community clinics, and those that do are faced with a growing amount of paperwork as medicine becomes more complex. Compared to 20 years ago, Mitra said today there’s a much broader set of risk factors, as well as tests and medication that need to be considered. That all means more time and more resources are spent on each patient. The solution, Mitra said, requires help from the B.C. government to reduce paperwork, improve electronic medical records and help family practices “make team-based care work in this province.” “What we’re seeing play out is we just don’t have enough family doctors to do the work,” she said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 People don't have doctors. Like, that has been a thing for a long long time. That's why they expanded the UBC medical program. That's why the government created programs like the Northern Medical Program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Computers and social media sites. Every one has gotten so used to basically instantaneous answers, and begin to think that fixes should be instantaneous as well. Just wave the magic wand and presto- everything will be better- right fucking now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Ravioli Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 10 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: People don't have doctors. Like, that has been a thing for a long long time. That's why they expanded the UBC medical program. That's why the government created programs like the Northern Medical Program. Once upon a time people without doctors at least had the option to go and sit in a walk in clinic and wait a bit but at least still get looked at same day. Now you have to get on the phone right at 8am and play phone lottery in the hopes that you may possibly get a appointment for the same day. So that's great that they have expanded programs. But so far they have made very minimal impact. Hopefully that changes for the better in the future but we shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 35 minutes ago, Ricky Ravioli said: Once upon a time people without doctors at least had the option to go and sit in a walk in clinic and wait a bit but at least still get looked at same day. Now you have to get on the phone right at 8am and play phone lottery in the hopes that you may possibly get a appointment for the same day. So that's great that they have expanded programs. But so far they have made very minimal impact. Hopefully that changes for the better in the future but we shall see It's going to take a decade minimum to fix. Bringing in doctors and attaching patients is a slow process, one sped up quite a bit by the NDP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MattJVD Posted September 3 Popular Post Share Posted September 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: This part is quite interesting to me, as it really speaks to making the system more accessible. It's not just about throwing more taxes at the issue: Many family doctors don’t end up in community clinics, and those that do are faced with a growing amount of paperwork as medicine becomes more complex. Compared to 20 years ago, Mitra said today there’s a much broader set of risk factors, as well as tests and medication that need to be considered. That all means more time and more resources are spent on each patient. The solution, Mitra said, requires help from the B.C. government to reduce paperwork, improve electronic medical records and help family practices “make team-based care work in this province.” “What we’re seeing play out is we just don’t have enough family doctors to do the work,” she said. The bolded hits the nail on the head. According to this article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/more-physicians-health-care-report-bc-1.7118582 BC has the most family doctors per capita in Canada, and way more than we used to have. 270 per 100,000 people in 2022 vs 162 per 100,000 in 1976. It highlight 3 reasons why, even with more doctors, access is worse: Dr.s spend more time on administration and maintaining patient records than they used to. More medical issues are treatable and treatments are more complex, which is time comsuming. Obviously this is a good thing, but it comes with a constraint. And BC has an older population than the we used to and older than the national average. One of the biggest risk factors for a huge range of health issues is simply age. So on average each patient has more medical issues and requires more resources to treat. Edited September 3 by MattJVD 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, Duodenum said: It's going to take a decade minimum to fix. Bringing in doctors and attaching patients is a slow process, one sped up quite a bit by the NDP. Correct. Increasing population combined with retirements equals this problem not going away any time soon. The UNBC Northern Medical Program graduated their first class in 2008. The program was created to increase the number of Doctors in northern BC communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 4 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Correct. Increasing population combined with retirements equals this problem not going away any time soon. The UNBC Northern Medical Program graduated their first class in 2008. The program was created to increase the number of Doctors in northern BC communities. SFU medical school and 128 more seats at UBC are two more initiatives by the NDP but these will take 8-10 years before they start to have an impact. You'd have to be completely delusion to think the NDP can fix years of negligence overnight. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 From the manufactured rage department: James Oakley: literally earning a living off of manufacturing rage against the Liberal Government. The more you know the more you want to throw up a little in your mouth. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: From the manufactured rage department: James Oakley: literally earning a living off of manufacturing rage against the Liberal Government. The more you know the more you want to throw up a little in your mouth. A face not even a mother could love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Guy was literally promoted at his real job for lying to Canadians and directly to the face of our sitting Prime Minister. Hopefully the lying sack of shit is sacked from both his imaginary job and the one he got promoted in for standing there lying on the news. https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-steel-plant-worker-have-tense-exchange-during-sault-ste-marie-visit-1.7021712 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 11 minutes ago, King Heffy said: A face not even a mother could love. Thing is, Castro Junior ends up looking kinda good in these kinds of interactions imho. Much like in the last federal election when Junior tried to get sneaky by that quick election call & it blew up in his face until the Cons tried using aggressive tactics like MAGA did ( eg., them trying to run that Biden bus off the road in the last US election). These kind of bully moves won't work against pretty boy. Let him self destruct on his own (as he's done). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 hour ago, MattJVD said: The bolded hits the nail on the head. According to this article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/more-physicians-health-care-report-bc-1.7118582 BC has the most family doctors per capita in Canada, and way more than we used to have. 270 per 100,000 people in 2022 vs 162 per 100,000 in 1976. It highlight 3 reasons why, even with more doctors, access is worse: Dr.s spend more time on administration and maintaining patient records than they used to. More medical issues are treatable and treatments are more complex, which is time comsuming. Obviously this is a good thing, but it comes with a constraint. And BC has an older population than the we used to and older than the national average. One of the biggest risk factors for a huge range of health issues is simply age. So on average each patient has more medical issues and requires more resources to treat. Exactly, which is why we need to trim the decision making layers in our system, too many chefs to get the job done to simplify records management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 51 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Guy was literally promoted at his real job for lying to Canadians and directly to the face of our sitting Prime Minister. Hopefully the lying sack of shit is sacked from both his imaginary job and the one he got promoted in for standing there lying on the news. https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-steel-plant-worker-have-tense-exchange-during-sault-ste-marie-visit-1.7021712 What do you mean, he wasn't a steel worker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 2 hours ago, Gurn said: Computers and social media sites. Every one has gotten so used to basically instantaneous answers, and begin to think that fixes should be instantaneous as well. Just wave the magic wand and presto- everything will be better- right fucking now. Peoples lives are better by almost every measure but we are being told to be constantly angry. Who benefits by that anger? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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