Canadian Politics Thread

[Elias Pettersson]

29 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Is it because of Trudeau (by your logic) that houses are very affordable in the vast majority of Canada? Or is it only his responsibility for high housing costs in Vancouver? 
 

 

Where are houses very affordable in Canada?  Nunavut?

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Yeah there are solutions out there. Given Canada's vast land mass, plus access to lumber and skilled workers, owning a family home in your lifetime should not be a pipe dream for those not expecting a wealth transfer from mommy/daddy. 

 

Agreed. What is PP actually going to do?

 

I've seen slogans and little hand signals. 

[Spur1]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Where are houses very affordable in Canada?  Nunavut?

Many places between the lower drain land and the centre of the universe. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Where are houses very affordable in Canada?  Nunavut?

You’re joking, right? Lots of affordable housing outside of the big cities. Lots of jobs too. Considering this fact, what exactly would Trudeau’s government do to keep housing prices down in the large markets, like Vancouver? Force people to move to places where prices are affordable and people are needed to fill jobs? 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Spur1 said:

Many places between the lower drain land and the centre of the universe. 

And beyond. 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

You’re joking, right? Lots of affordable housing outside of the big cities. Lots of jobs too. Considering this fact, what exactly would Trudeau’s government do to keep housing prices down in the large markets, like Vancouver? Force people to move to places where prices are affordable and people are needed to fill jobs? 

 

It's all relative Alf.  You wanna move away from the entire city area as a young person then your job is going to be affected too.  The goal here is to be able to keep the young generation at least in the suburbs where they can find higher paying jobs.  Trudeau's government isn't going to do anything, they will be out soon enough.  It's up to the Conservatives now to figure it out.  They can start by giving all municipalities an ultimatum, if they want federal government funding then they need to change their ways, cut all the red tape, and allow builders to build more affordable homes in less time...

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

It's all relative Alf.  You wanna move away from the entire city area as a young person then your job is going to be affected too.  The goal here is to be able to keep the young generation at least in the suburbs where they can find higher paying jobs.  Trudeau's government isn't going to do anything, they will be out soon enough.  It's up to the Conservatives now to figure it out.  They can start by giving all municipalities an ultimatum, if they want federal government funding then they need to change their ways, cut all the red tape, and allow builders to build more affordable homes in less time...

 

That's interesting. When I started out the goal was for me to figure it out. When did it become the governments job to ensure that you live close to where you grew up?

 

I lived in 2 provinces before BC, I never thought that I had a right to live somewhere.

 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

It's all relative Alf.  You wanna move away from the entire city area as a young person then your job is going to be affected too.  The goal here is to be able to keep the young generation at least in the suburbs where they can find higher paying jobs.  Trudeau's government isn't going to do anything, they will be out soon enough.  It's up to the Conservatives now to figure it out.  They can start by giving all municipalities an ultimatum, if they want federal government funding then they need to change their ways, cut all the red tape, and allow builders to build more affordable homes in less time...

The houses built here are already cheap crap. So the answer is to help the builders make even cheaper and crappier  houses by giving them bigger profits? 
We tried that approach back in the early 80’s. Those buildings didn’t last a decade. A whole new industry did pop up though to try and fix them. 
 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

That's interesting. When I started out the goal was for me to figure it out. When did it become the governments job to ensure that you live close to where you grew up?

 

I lived in 2 provinces before BC, I never thought that I had a right to live somewhere.

 

@Elias Pettersson is sounding kind of socialist. 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

@Elias Pettersson is sounding kind of socialist. 

Authoritarian, even.

[bishopshodan]

Detached homes are going the way of the dodo. Sad as that is. 

 

Future is to build up, not out. Densify instead of sprawling. 

 

 

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

Detached homes are going the way of the dodo. Sad as that is. 

 

Future is to build up, not out. Densify instead of sprawling. 

 

 

 

Is it sad?

 

If they are that important, let's  make more suburbs accessible by train. 

[Alflives]

Just now, bishopshodan said:

Detached homes are going the way of the dodo. Sad as that is. 

 

Future is to build up, not out. Densify instead of sprawling. 

 

 

In big cities that’s great! If people want a yard, like they grew up with, there’s lots of affordable detached homes with yards all across this great nation. And even the smallest towns have a Timmy’s. 

[Bob Long]

9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

@Elias Pettersson is sounding kind of socialist. 

 

I don't want his cheap crap pp homes.

[Bob Long]

Just now, Alflives said:

In big cities that’s great! If people want a yard, like they grew up with, there’s lots of affordable detached homes with yards all across this great nation. And even the smallest towns have a Timmy’s. 

 

Bingo. Lots of great towns to make a life in.

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

Is it sad?

 

If they are that important, let's  make more suburbs accessible by train. 

Cities with space are doing that, aren’t they? Not too sure where we can do that here without eating into farm land? 

[Bob Long]

Just now, Alflives said:

Cities with space are doing that, aren’t they? Not too sure where we can do that here without eating into farm land? 

 

Lots of land in the interior.

 

Or live in the city. I love my shoebox. 800 sq ft of concrete heaven. I hate lawns. 

[24K]

The key is for companies to disperse their workforce. Instead of having everyone under one large building, you spread the workforce into smaller local offices across suburbs or smaller cities.

 

Major reason why housing is insane large cities is commute to the single large work place. 

 

Would even be better if companies actually embrace wfh rather than rto relieving pressure of white collar office workers having to compete with retail and blue collar workers that actually need to be close to their workplace. 

 

Half of the solution needs to be corporate culture changing their ways. 

Edited Thursday at 10:27 PM by 24K

[Sapper]

53 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Where are houses very affordable in Canada?  Nunavut?

Use Realtor.ca app

 

Set filters to 3 bedroom freehold under 350k and there is over 5k listings across Canada today with most be in the east coast or prairie province

 

And over ,3k listings for freehold 3 bedroom under 200k

 

Most are rural but in Saskatchewan and the Maritimes many are also in city areas

 

They are not palaces but livable and affordable 

 

That's why federal mobility with things like Pharmacare and dental are so vital to this housing crisis.

 

Let seniors move to where they can afford to live and then with homes being vacated prices will drop in the higher areas .... A win win for everyone 

 

And as someone who grew up in small town Saskatchewan those smaller cities and town could really use the revenue that would generate 

Seniors typically spend 75% of their pensions within 30 min if their homes ... Meaning that money stays in the local community ( MPP survey ).

 

When we look at facts and actual math their are solutions that will help ... Seems all parties are blind to most of it 

Edited Thursday at 10:15 PM by Sapper

[aGENT]

2 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Realistically is it harder to build a home now than 70 years ago? 

 

Building codes, and energy efficiency are much different than 70 years ago, yes.

 

59 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Red tape is the municipal costs associated with building a home as well as the time it takes to get permits, inspections and other things from the city that prolong the timeframe to build a home.  Roughly speaking, it takes upwards of 8 years to build a hi rise from start to finish, i.e. buying the land to the finished product.  This is because of "red tape".  Also, the city's cut is close to 30% in some cases, whereby in turn the developer adds that cost to the price of the home.  City costs alone account for almost 30% of the cost of a condo in Vancouver.

 

Didn't our great NDP provincial government just get rid of a lot of those limits that municipalities and Nimby's were causing issues with? Where do you expect the city to replace that funding? Most cities are already struggling to maintain infrastructure and services.

 

59 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

New construction now requires Hydro lines to be underground and the builder has to pay for it.  That's an added cost to the project of $60k that is passed on to the buyer.  2x8 construction is now needed in Vancouver and Richmond, which adds to the cost, insulation, heating systems, hvac, plumbing, electrical.  Look at the new step codes in the BC net zero building codes introduced last year.  Here is the article that explains it.

 

Guide to Net Zero Homes in BC, Canada | Bercum Builders

 

Building crappier, less safe, less efficient houses isn't really an answer.

[Warhippy]

5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 
1950?  Like you don’t even have a clue. Just more fear mongering from the left. You could literally buy a house in Vancouver for under a million with one income in 2013. 

One income eh?

 

Vancouver

Average price: $819,336
Monthly mortgage payment: $3,570
Property tax: $251
Income required: $147,023

Vancouver is the most expensive housing market in Canada and more than double the amount of the national average housing cost. Thus, the annual income required to enter or remain in homeownership is significantly higher when compared to other major cities.

 

https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en/TableMapChart/Table?TableId=1.10.1&GeographyId=2410&GeographyTypeId=3&DisplayAs=Table&GeograghyName=Vancouver

 

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Edited Thursday at 10:32 PM by Warhippy

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Asking someone who isn’t even the PM to resign because MP’s want him to is a slap in the face to every hard working Canadian that these so called MP’s represent.  MP’s work for the people, not the other way around.

 

Elections have consequences.  If the MP’s in the Liberal, NDP and Bloc parties are so confident in their abilities, then they should call an election now and let the people decide who should govern the country.  

So here we have literally two different statements.

 

The first statement correctly states that MPs work for the people and that MPs should not be deciding when the PM should resign.  Which also suggests that they also do not have the right to call an election like Pierre wants, simply because he is selfish and knows the numbers currently favour him.

 

The other statement

 

States that MPs SHOULD in fact decide the fate of the PM and when he/they should resign and they should call an election now.

 

Which is it?

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

10 years ago you could buy a condo in downtown Vancouver for under $500k.  Easily doable for a single income if you had a reasonable down payment.  Back then we didn’t have the mortgage stress test that was legislated under the Trudeau government. 

Yes....sure....it was the stress test.

 

But wait, what's that?

 

BAH GAWD IT'S FACTS AND REALITY WITH A STEEL CHAIR

 

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city-history/in/Vancouver

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

That's interesting. When I started out the goal was for me to figure it out. When did it become the governments job to ensure that you live close to where you grew up?

 

I lived in 2 provinces before BC, I never thought that I had a right to live somewhere.

 

The government’s job is to enact legislation to help with supply of homes, cut the red tape, produce a thriving economy where people have a shot at a decent life. 
 

It’s up to each individual if they want to tough it out and stay in the city or move elsewhere where it’s more affordable for them. 
 

The government however should be doing everything possible to increase GDP, lower taxes and put more money into people’s pockets. 

[Elias Pettersson]

16 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

One income eh?

 

Vancouver

Average price: $819,336
Monthly mortgage payment: $3,570
Property tax: $251
Income required: $147,023

Vancouver is the most expensive housing market in Canada and more than double the amount of the national average housing cost. Thus, the annual income required to enter or remain in homeownership is significantly higher when compared to other major cities.

 

https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en/TableMapChart/Table?TableId=1.10.1&GeographyId=2410&GeographyTypeId=3&DisplayAs=Table&GeograghyName=Vancouver

 

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Yes, someone making $100k a year could buy a house in East Van in 2013. At the very least you could have bought a half duplex, townhome or even a condo with an average wage with one income.