[Signing] Zadorov to Boston

[Canuck You]

Lil' Z it is...

 

[JayDangles]

2 hours ago, Rekker said:

This is what bugs me an others. I feel management should of just gone six years and signed the guy. I love him that much. I feel though, that he was going to choose Boston even if all was equal in the end. Just a hunch. 

Thats the problem right there. Love him for what? He gave us 2.5 months of ok play. not great defensively. and 2 playoff rounds where he elevated his game. 

You cant pay him assuming he is going to play an elevated game the rest of his career. He has shown over the last 11 years that he is not a top 4 D. Management knows that. We cant and shouldnt keep players simply because we like them.  Especially when our sample size is so small.

[canuck73_3]

6 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Thats the problem right there. Love him for what? He gave us 2.5 months of ok play. not great defensively. and 2 playoff rounds where he elevated his game. 

You cant pay him assuming he is going to play an elevated game the rest of his career. He has shown over the last 11 years that he is not a top 4 D. Management knows that. We cant and shouldnt keep players simply because we like them.  Especially when our sample size is so small.

[Rekker]

15 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Thats the problem right there. Love him for what? He gave us 2.5 months of ok play. not great defensively. and 2 playoff rounds where he elevated his game. 

You cant pay him assuming he is going to play an elevated game the rest of his career. He has shown over the last 11 years that he is not a top 4 D. Management knows that. We cant and shouldnt keep players simply because we like them.  Especially when our sample size is so small.

Well there's lots to love about Zads, so no apologies there. But I do agree, as a management team, you need to keep emotions out of it and do what you think is best for the team moving forward. I want a group running the team that makes more good decisions than bad and believes strongly in their plan. We have that now. 

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

 I can't wait. He's not that far off. College is the right place for him right now in his development as a player and young man. 

 

I agree. Can't see him spending too much time on the farm. His level of talent will be better served on the big club. 

 

We just need to keep working on the D during this period so he contribute effectively when he steps in and he's not in over his head.

 

I hope he returns to Boston, another season of stewing would probably be great for him. Folks gotta remember how young Willander is, and it's not uncommon for D to take longer to step into the league than forwards. 

 

It'd also delay his ELC, which is no small thing. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

6 minutes ago, Rekker said:

Well there's lots to love about Zads, so no apologies there. But I do agree, as a management team, you need to keep emotions out of it and do what you think is best for the team moving forward. I want a group running the team that makes more good decisions than bad and believes strongly in their plan. We have that now. 

 

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

 

I hope he returns to Boston, another season of stewing would probably be great for him. Folks gotta remember how young Willander is, and it's not uncommon for D to take longer to step into the league than forwards. 

 

It'd also delay his ELC, which is no small thing. 

 

No hurry to rush him at all. Another season would be great for him. After years of rushing young guys into the league and years of overpaying others, we're finally doing things right. He's only 19. That ELC matters. Especially in a year or two.

 

Also, I'm a big fan of the college system. It really prepares guys both on and off the ice. 

[JayDangles]

15 minutes ago, Rekker said:

Well there's lots to love about Zads, so no apologies there. But I do agree, as a management team, you need to keep emotions out of it and do what you think is best for the team moving forward. I want a group running the team that makes more good decisions than bad and believes strongly in their plan. We have that now. 

100% agree.

I told my wife that if Zadorov signs here then thats the next jersey I'm buying. As soon as Allvin said Z wasn't signing here I knew it was in the best interest of the team. I knew 100% that management made their offer and if Z didnt take it, then see ya! 

Maybe my next jersey will be DeBrusk!

[Junkyard Dog]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

No hurry to rush him at all. Another season would be great for him. After years of rushing young guys into the league and years of overpaying others, we're finally doing things right. He's only 19. That ELC matters. Especially in a year or two.

 

Also, I'm a big fan of the college system. It really prepares guys both on and off the ice. 

NCAA can get them fit too. Though you have to put in the effort.

[Coconuts]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

No hurry to rush him at all. Another season would be great for him. After years of rushing young guys into the league and years of overpaying others, we're finally doing things right. He's only 19. That ELC matters. Especially in a year or two.

 

Also, I'm a big fan of the college system. It really prepares guys both on and off the ice. 

 

I'd honestly rather lean towards having prospects stew longer, even with top prospects. We saw what rushing guys can do to them with Virtanen, McCann, and arguably Podkolzin. 

[BCNate]

Big Zadorov fan.  Loved him while he was here, but that deal is too rich.  Hope he does well in Boston and lays out a few Leafs along the way.

[Dr. Crossbar]

14 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

NCAA can get them fit too. Though you have to put in the effort.

 

That's what I like about that system. It promotes accountability and responsibility in so many areas, including academics. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

16 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

I'd honestly rather lean towards having prospects stew longer, even with top prospects. We saw what rushing guys can do to them with Virtanen, McCann, and arguably Podkolzin. 

 

This management has quickly built a foundation that allows us to be patient. We're not desperate. Glad they chose to invest in Podkolzin despite rushing him. Hopefully that pays off. 

[Diamonds]

Honestly Zadorov will probably look quite good playing with Carlo. Carlo can cover for when Zadorov puts himself out of position going for hits/making pinches and should be able to play around 19min/game. They could form quite a nasty, hulking shutdown pair.

 

Also, since the rumor was that we were willing to offer $5M, he clearly chose Boston over us. Even if the term difference was 5 years vs 6 years, if he truly wanted to be here that shouldn't have made a difference. Not sure what made him choose Boston over us, but it is what it is and it was nice to have him here while we did.

[SilentSam]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

And some self proclaimed experts here have blinders on because 6’6. 
 

our smallest bottom 4 dman is now 6’4 216 collectively the Canucks improved over just one big fish. 

no self proclaimed experts wearing blinders on here but yourself .

And you’re only giving your opinion, like anyone else .

 

 

1 hour ago, JayDangles said:

So, that kind of proves my point. Zadorov didnt want to be here. He was being offered the same amount of money, and one season less, and he chose to leave. He made a choice. Pretty sure if he wanted to stay he would have accepted the offer

 

listening to a Zadorov interview @Elias Pettersson mentioned the money was the same but there was a sticking point that the Canucks wouldn’t match.… 

    I understand Zadorov’s point of veiw entirely.

 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, JayDangles said:

So, that kind of proves my point. Zadorov didnt want to be here. He was being offered the same amount of money, and one season less, and he chose to leave. He made a choice. Pretty sure if he wanted to stay he would have accepted the offer

 

Nobody is turning down an extra year on their contract.  That's $5 million in guaranteed money.  If the Canucks offered 6 years he probably would have signed for a bit less than $5 million...

[canuck73_3]

7 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

no self proclaimed experts wearing blinders on here but yourself .

And you’re only giving your opinion, like anyone else .

 

 

 

listening to a Zadorov interview @Elias Pettersson mentioned the money was the same but there was a sticking point that the Canucks wouldn’t match.… 

    I understand Zadorov’s point of veiw entirely.

 

 

There are plenty self proclaimed experts here, I’m not one. I drew a line in the sand what I think he is worth take it or leave it. 

Edited July 2 by canuck73_3

[Coconuts]

18 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

Honestly Zadorov will probably look quite good playing with Carlo. Carlo can cover for when Zadorov puts himself out of position going for hits/making pinches and should be able to play around 19min/game. They could form quite a nasty, hulking shutdown pair.

 

Also, since the rumor was that we were willing to offer $5M, he clearly chose Boston over us. Even if the term difference was 5 years vs 6 years, if he truly wanted to be here that shouldn't have made a difference. Not sure what made him choose Boston over us, but it is what it is and it was nice to have him here while we did.

 

I think the extra year really mattered, and this is just me spitballing but I think once he started getting calls from a bunch of different teams his mind probably started to shift a bit. At one point he may have been set on coming back to Vancouver, but things change. 

 

Friedman was saying that Toronto was also really in on Zadorov but that they weren't willing to give him the extra year that Boston did either. So for what it's worth, a team that arguably needed defense more than we did looked elsewhere as well. Which is saying something, because Toronto was trying to get both Tanev and Zadorov from Calgary last autumn, they just weren't willing to pay for retainment on both of them.

 

Zadorov spent quite a bit of time in Calgary, and a decent amount of time in Vancouver, he may have simply have been tired of the relentless Canadian spotlight. The Bruins are a big draw in Boston but it's not the same as playing in a rabid Canadian market. He can play the heel in Boston and still disappear into Boston in a way he probably couldn't do in Vancouver. 

 

Taxes factor in too, because 5M in Boston, Vancouver, and Toronto ain't the same. 5M in Boston gets Zadorov 2.8M in take home money, 5M in Vancouver gets him just over 2.5M in take home money, 5M in Toronto gets him 2.35M in take home money. Now, creative accounting can offset some of that, but I do think it matters to agents and players. 

Edited July 2 by Coconuts

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

They will love Big Z in Boston…

 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

They will love Big Z in Boston…

 

 

yep, Kadri is stil ugly 

[JayDangles]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Nobody is turning down an extra year on their contract.  That's $5 million in guaranteed money.  If the Canucks offered 6 years he probably would have signed for a bit less than $5 million...

So if I say something that you think is speculative, you jump all over me ...quote "Did you just make that up".

But then you respond with your own speculation......

 

here's how I know you're wrong.

 

I have a career, but I need to sign a new contract. A company offers me a 5 year deal to stay where I am, and where I want to be, and where my family is living. Another company offers me a 6 year deal to move to Toronto.

By your logic, I have to move to Toronto? No sane person would turn that down?

Hell no. I would stay if I liked the city and liked my life. So yeah, a lot of people would turn down a contract the requires them to move to a different city, or in this case a different country.

 

Edited July 2 by JayDangles

[Elias Pettersson]

19 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

So if I say something that you think is speculative, you jump all over me ...quote "Did you just make that up".

But then you respond with your own speculation......

 

here's how I know you're wrong.

 

I have a career, but I need to sign a new contract. A company offers me a 5 year deal to stay where I am, and where I want to be, and where my family is living. Another company offers me a 6 year deal to move to Toronto.

By your logic, I have to move to Toronto? No sane person would turn that down?

Hell no. I would stay if I liked the city and liked my life. So yeah, a lot of people would turn down a contract the requires them to move to a different city, or in this case a different country.

 

So, you would reject an additional $5 million to stay in Vancouver?  

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

3 hours ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

They will love Big Z in Boston…

 

Dude is a traitor that’s why I didn’t put him in a Canucks uniform

 

good riddance jack ass…

 

he’s a damn bruin now…

 

hate the bruins…

[qwijjibo]

3 hours ago, JayDangles said:

So if I say something that you think is speculative, you jump all over me ...quote "Did you just make that up".

But then you respond with your own speculation......

 

here's how I know you're wrong.

 

I have a career, but I need to sign a new contract. A company offers me a 5 year deal to stay where I am, and where I want to be, and where my family is living. Another company offers me a 6 year deal to move to Toronto.

By your logic, I have to move to Toronto? No sane person would turn that down?

Hell no. I would stay if I liked the city and liked my life. So yeah, a lot of people would turn down a contract the requires them to move to a different city, or in this case a different country.

 

Context is important here. NHL careers are short and that extra guaranteed year at $5m takes him to 35.  He plays a physical game.  There's no guarantee he'd get that much even on a 1 year deal if he took the 5 year deal instead 

[JayDangles]

3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So, you would reject an additional $5 million to stay in Vancouver?  

If I was already a multimillionaire, and if I had a family, and if I liked vancouver and I liked my coworkers and I was happy then yeah probably.

Your acting like this is the first you've ever heard of players taking pay cuts, or turning down offers that would have netted them more in the long run.