KesLord Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Seemingly the roster for the next season is complete (although additions can still be made). Notables In: Debrusk, Heinen, Desharnais, Forbort, Sherwood Notables out: Lindholm, Zadorov, Mikeyev, DeSmith Curious your projections for the season and for the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KesLord Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 I believe the start of our 2024-25 roster is much stronger than the start of the 2023-24 roster, which was dominant. Projected Lineup (based on plugging in to last years lineup) Suter - Miller - Boeser Hoglander - Pettersson - Debrusk Garland - Blueger - Joshua Heinen - Aman - Sherwood Hughes - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Desharnais Demko Silovs however, I’m curious if they completely alter stuff around. I would love to see 2 dominant top lines of: Debrusk - Miller - Boeser Garland - Petey - Joshua Hoglander - Suter - Heinen Sherwood - Blueger - Podkolzin Id love Pod to move up the lineup tho and hopefully solidify a top 6 spot by the end of the season. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 22 minutes ago, KesLord said: I believe the start of our 2024-25 roster is much stronger than the start of the 2023-24 roster, which was dominant. Projected Lineup (based on plugging in to last years lineup) Suter - Miller - Boeser Hoglander - Pettersson - Debrusk Garland - Blueger - Joshua Heinen - Aman - Sherwood Hughes - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Desharnais Demko Silovs however, I’m curious if they completely alter stuff around. I would love to see 2 dominant top lines of: Debrusk - Miller - Boeser Garland - Petey - Joshua Hoglander - Suter - Heinen Sherwood - Blueger - Podkolzin Id love Pod to move up the lineup tho and hopefully solidify a top 6 spot by the end of the season. We have a much deeper lineup right now than we did at the same point last summer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JamesB Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 6 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: We have a much deeper lineup right now than we did at the same point last summer. I agree that this year's lineup is deeper and better than last year's team at this point. It is also better (and deeper) than the team that started the season. Of course last year's team started the season with a lot of puck luck -- high PDO -- which did eventually come down quite a lot, but remained good all season. So this team might not do as well in standing in the early going, but I think they are a better team overall. 1. The starting D pairings seem pretty obvious: Hughes-Hronek, Soucy-Myers, and Forbort-Desharnais, with Juulsen as 7th man. 2. Allvin has indicated that he expects a line of Petey-Debrusk-Hogs.That should be an excellent line. 3. Last year the Miller-Boeser-Suter line was one of the best lines in the league. But the Canucks did not pick up a center in free agency so it looks like Suter could drop down to 3C. So who will play with Miller and Boeser? I think are a lot of possibilities. I still put Suter at the top of the list, but Heinen, Sherwood, Garland, Joshua, and Lekkerimaki will probably all get a look in pre-season. I would go with Suter. 4. Then the third line could be Blueger, Joshua and Garland. They were excellent last year when they were together. 5. That leaves Heinen and Sherwood as 4th line wingers -- beating out Podkolzin and PDG. As for the center, it is Aman's spot to lose but I expect Sasson to make a run at that spot. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 49 minutes ago, JamesB said: I agree that this year's lineup is deeper and better than last year's team at this point. It is also better (and deeper) than the team that started the season. Of course last year's team started the season with a lot of puck luck -- high PDO -- which did eventually come down quite a lot, but remained good all season. So this team might not do as well in standing in the early going, but I think they are a better team overall. 1. The starting D pairings seem pretty obvious: Hughes-Hronek, Soucy-Myers, and Forbort-Desharnais, with Juulsen as 7th man. 2. Allvin has indicated that he expects a line of Petey-Debrusk-Hogs.That should be an excellent line. 3. Last year the Miller-Boeser-Suter line was one of the best lines in the league. But the Canucks did not pick up a center in free agency so it looks like Suter could drop down to 3C. So who will play with Miller and Boeser? I think are a lot of possibilities. I still put Suter at the top of the list, but Heinen, Sherwood, Garland, Joshua, and Lekkerimaki will probably all get a look in pre-season. I would go with Suter. 4. Then the third line could be Blueger, Joshua and Garland. They were excellent last year when they were together. 5. That leaves Heinen and Sherwood as 4th line wingers -- beating out Podkolzin and PDG. As for the center, it is Aman's spot to lose but I expect Sasson to make a run at that spot. Could Heinen be good enough for Millers wing? That would leave Suter to play C and he would likely be a better bottom 6C than Aman? Definitely like that we get a bit of jam on each line now... Expect the lines to be altered once Lekkerimaki will be introduced... He will eventually end up on Peteys wing likely with DeBrusk.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 8 hours ago, KesLord said: I believe the start of our 2024-25 roster is much stronger than the start of the 2023-24 roster, which was dominant. Projected Lineup (based on plugging in to last years lineup) Suter - Miller - Boeser Hoglander - Pettersson - Debrusk Garland - Blueger - Joshua Heinen - Aman - Sherwood Hughes - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Desharnais Demko Silovs however, I’m curious if they completely alter stuff around. I would love to see 2 dominant top lines of: Debrusk - Miller - Boeser Garland - Petey - Joshua Hoglander - Suter - Heinen Sherwood - Blueger - Podkolzin Id love Pod to move up the lineup tho and hopefully solidify a top 6 spot by the end of the season. Cheers... Mentioned the same elsewhere... It would definitely be in their thoughts of a possibility, if they want to push the play... But think they'll stick with the tried and trusted... Suter - Miller - Boeser DeBrusk - Petey - Hogs Joshua - Blueger - Garland Sherwood - Aman - Heinen (Both Sherwood and Heinen are LWs thus would not be surprised to see them at least try to swap Heinen with Suter, and give Podz a shot as 4th RW, leaving Aman the odd man out for now....) We are getting depth now... Karlsson will also be pushing as will Lekkerimaki eventually... Love Hogs, but can see him eventually become trade bait if Lekkerimaki becomes a player, as Hogs contract needs upped soon, just like Boesers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 5 hours ago, JamesB said: I agree that this year's lineup is deeper and better than last year's team at this point. It is also better (and deeper) than the team that started the season. Of course last year's team started the season with a lot of puck luck -- high PDO -- which did eventually come down quite a lot, but remained good all season. So this team might not do as well in standing in the early going, but I think they are a better team overall. 1. The starting D pairings seem pretty obvious: Hughes-Hronek, Soucy-Myers, and Forbort-Desharnais, with Juulsen as 7th man. 2. Allvin has indicated that he expects a line of Petey-Debrusk-Hogs.That should be an excellent line. 3. Last year the Miller-Boeser-Suter line was one of the best lines in the league. But the Canucks did not pick up a center in free agency so it looks like Suter could drop down to 3C. So who will play with Miller and Boeser? I think are a lot of possibilities. I still put Suter at the top of the list, but Heinen, Sherwood, Garland, Joshua, and Lekkerimaki will probably all get a look in pre-season. I would go with Suter. 4. Then the third line could be Blueger, Joshua and Garland. They were excellent last year when they were together. 5. That leaves Heinen and Sherwood as 4th line wingers -- beating out Podkolzin and PDG. As for the center, it is Aman's spot to lose but I expect Sasson to make a run at that spot. Last year, Brisebois had made the team before hid injury, don't be surprised if he sticks around, even as an 8th D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DownUndaCanuck Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Simply put we sacrifice some defensive quality (especially middle pairing) for depth at wing. Better team to start the season than we did last year for sure. Miller might be worse, Brock might be better, Petey has to be better and Quinn will be the same. Demko will have a big year again. We've got a great core and acquired some nice pieces but lost all of our big mid-season acquisitions sadly. This team will need a top-4 defenceman if they're to compete in the playoffs though. One injury and we're cooked, two and we're finished. That is a suspect 2nd pairing who will get beaten by speedy forwards, and the 3rd pairing could really get hemmed into their own zone without a way to make a good breakout pass. Hopefully we'll flip a prospect or pick for a decent defenceman at some point during the season. Got to like the flexibility with our forwards and wingers though. Heinen and DeBrusk will round out the top-6 nicely. We're clearly going for more offence but have to remember not to get exploded on defensively. Not sure if we can win the division but this might be the start of a hot rivalry with Edmonton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) It gives you plenty of options, but unless there is a glaring hole, as we sit here and now, I'd be all for waiting till a player that fits their needs best. At the same time, though, you have to be willing to pounce, if it's obvious... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With the first two days of the NHL free agency window in the books, the Vancouver Canucks have given a broad framework of what their lineup could look like at the start of the 2024-25 season. With looming cap pressures in the form of OEL’s buyout, Elias Pettersson’s extension, and Filip Hronek’s new deal, the Canucks needed to make some shrewd moves to keep the team as competitive as possible. For the first time in a while, they look to be starting the season with room under the cap and have made reasonable bets on players that could help this team. Is the roster perfect? By no means – but there’s still room for moves to be made. Here’s what the 2024-25 Canucks lineup could look like after the first couple of days of free agency. ----------------------- The plan and hope with the Jake DeBrusk signing is for him to mesh alongside Elias Pettersson and finally give him a proper winger. Time will tell if this is the case, but the 27-year-old should feature prominently on a line with Pettersson and Nils Höglander. DeBrusk is a definite improvement over the traded Ilya Mikheyev and should help add at least a little more offensive punch with the same defensive responsibility on his own end. Höglander himself will also be looking to become more consistent in his production and cement himself as a viable top-6 winger for the Canucks. ----------------------- Slotting Danton Heinen into the lineup is interesting. While breaking up Pius Suter’s established chemistry with JT Miller and Brock Boeser might sound like heresy, ideally the Swiss isn’t playing top 6 minutes. He’s smart, he’s relentless, and clicked well on that line – but a player like Suter is one that contenders would have playing in their bottom 6. Heinen isn’t a bonafide top 6 winger either but is definitely a versatile middle-six option who should be able to slide onto a second line without issues. His play style should help free up pucks for Miller and Boeser to capitalize on, and Heinen has shown some offensive punch himself. At worst, he doesn’t work, and it’s simply swapping Suter back onto that line. Not a bad problem to have. ----------------------- Keeping the Thirst Line together seems like a recipe for success. For a stretch in the 2023-24 season, the Joshua-Blueger-Garland line became Vancouver’s defacto first line with their consistent production game in, game out. What’s nice about this too is that with the established chemistry, it’ll be a good fallback option that could be swapped around, sliding Joshua or Garland up and down the lineup as Tocchet sees fit. The rest of the bottom 6 is rounded out by energy presence Kiefer Sherwood, who should be a great fit in the lineup, and Vasily Podkolzin. The former 10th overall selection will finally look to break through as a consistent NHLer. Hopefully, by the end of the season, Podkolzin won’t be in the bottom 6 ------------------------ The first pairing of Quinn Hughes and Filip Hronek shouldn’t be questioned too much. Together, they were one of the NHL’s best defensive pairings with Hughes picking up the 2023-24 Norris Trophy for his efforts on the back end. Keeping them together gives Vancouver a potent top pairing to call their own and deploy, and should be how the lineup shakes up to start the year. However, things become a little bit more murky after that. A second pairing of Carson Soucy and Tyler Myers isn’t the worst thing in the world, but it could do a lot better. Soucy is a good 4-5 defenceman on most teams, so having him in the top 4 isn’t much of an issue. However, Myers at this point in his career is not a top 4 defenceman. Sure, he and Soucy played well with each other, but that’s pairing two defencemen together who have issues moving the puck out of their zone consistently. Perhaps shifting Hronek down to play with Soucy might be the answer, but that also leaves Hughes having to drag a defenceman that can’t keep up alongside him. ------------------------- The bottom pairing is definitely up in the air. Right now, penciling in Derek Forbort – Vincent Desharnais makes the most sense, with the two of them having established themselves as daily NHLers. The two giants on the back end will be good at defending and penalty killing, but that combination will not be as mobile on their own end. Both of these players should be paired with a puck-moving defenceman who can either skate the puck out of trouble or make that first pass – and right now, Vancouver only has two of them. If they get stuck out against a team with the speed to attack them, it doesn’t spell the best of things for the Canucks. At the very least, Vancouver doesn’t have a big drop-off in their depth options. Having Mark Friedman and Noah Juulsen as the penciled 7-8th man on the back end is pretty nice. They’re reliable and can fill in with little to no issues. An extended run in the lineup might be asking for a bit much, but sparing doses of either player won’t hurt. This shouldn’t rule out a player like Cole McWard, Jett Woo, or Akito Hirose from making a run during training camp to earn a shot at the main roster. -------------------------- No real question marks here, besides signing Arturs Silovs to a deal. The Latvian is still currently an RFA as the Canucks look to sign the hotshot netminder. Thatcher Demko will return as the incumbent starter between the pipes, while the backup role is still to be determined. Will Vancouver have Silovs take the reins in Abbotsford and have Jiří Patera ride the pine, or will Silovs have a consistent spot in the Canucks lineup sheet? If Patera does take the backup role, then it’s a definite downgrade from Casey DeSmith. But, it might prove better for Silovs’ long-term development to get more games in. It’s not quite clear what Vancouver’s goaltending philosophy will be going into next season, but the starting job is Demko’s regardless of what happens behind him. --------------------------- Vancouver’s lineup is probably around the same as where they started the 2023-24 season, which isn’t a bad thing. They’re probably not as good as how they finished the year after the playoffs, but for the prices that Elias Lindholm and Nikita Zadorov commanded, they were probably better off not resigning them. Lindholm was penned as a winger for Pettersson, but that didn’t go so well in the regular season. Sure, his playoff run was great – but that came from playing between Joshua and Garland, and a third-line center shouldn’t be making upwards of $7 million. The same thing could be said for Zadorov, who had a good enough regular season but an amazing playoff run. For a perennial bottom-pairing defender, it isn’t worth shelling out $5 million a year. Edited July 3 by Rip The Mesh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapshot Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 The forward group looks quite deep. That being said, I think we're missing one more game-breaking talent up front. While I like that our D is absolutely massive now (hehe), it looks a bit rough after the top pairing imo. We also won't have the element of surprise on our side this time around. While I still think we're a playoff team, I don't think we'll win the division this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integra250 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I think the Canucks need another right-handed puck mover on the backend. Would like to see us add Schultz or Klingberg on a short-term friendly deal (somewhere between 1.5 to 2.5 million x 2 years) should they choose to accept. Gives us better depth should injuries hit. Hughes - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Schultz or Klingberg Desharnais / Juulsen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Maybe the NHL have total control, at the end of the day, and the Canucks must play. That would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieVan Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 No one seems to mention Lekkerimaki. Canucks 1st round forwards always make the Roster in their first year. I expect the Canucks would want to give him every chance to make the team and if he does I see him with Petterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurefilm Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 I agree that the forward group is deeper than last year. Defense is a little iffy if someone was to get hurt but we have to have one of the tallest avg's in the league for D. Option 1: Suter - Miller - Boeser DeBrusk - Petey - Hogs Joshua - Blueger - Garland Sherwood - Aman - Heinen Option 2: Hoglander-Miller-Boeser Debrusk-Petey-Heinen Joshua-Blueger-Garland Podz-Suter-Sherwood Option 3: Debrusk-Miller-Boeser Heinen-Petey-Hogs Joshua-Suter-Garland Podz-Blueger-Sherwood Option 4: (im iffy to break up that 3rd line aka more like a 2B) Debrusk-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Petey-Hogs Heinen-Blueger-Garland Aman-Suter-Sherwood Defense Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Myers Forbert-Deharnais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DexM94 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) I really want to try Joshua at C. that allows us to explore a Suter trade and free up 1.6 more, which, along with the 2.5M from the IR, give us 4.1 M to sign the top 6 winger we need. let say : XXX Miller Boeser DeBrusk Petey Hoglander Heinen Joshua Garland Sherwood Blueger Podkozlin PdG Meanwhile, It s time to invest into our 10th overall pick and put him in a place he could show what he can do… Podkolzin Miller Boeser DeBrusk Petey Hoglander Heinen Joshua Garland Sherwood Blueger PdG Aman Suter traded. Edited July 4 by DexM94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 1:00 PM, DownUndaCanuck said: Simply put we sacrifice some defensive quality (especially middle pairing) for depth at wing. Better team to start the season than we did last year for sure. Miller might be worse, Brock might be better, Petey has to be better and Quinn will be the same. Demko will have a big year again. We've got a great core and acquired some nice pieces but lost all of our big mid-season acquisitions sadly. This team will need a top-4 defenceman if they're to compete in the playoffs though. One injury and we're cooked, two and we're finished. That is a suspect 2nd pairing who will get beaten by speedy forwards, and the 3rd pairing could really get hemmed into their own zone without a way to make a good breakout pass. Hopefully we'll flip a prospect or pick for a decent defenceman at some point during the season. Got to like the flexibility with our forwards and wingers though. Heinen and DeBrusk will round out the top-6 nicely. We're clearly going for more offence but have to remember not to get exploded on defensively. Not sure if we can win the division but this might be the start of a hot rivalry with Edmonton. I share your concern with the d-core. I will not be surprised to see RT experiment with Hronek and Hughes split. I can see a Hronek - Soucy pair but do not know who goes to 1RD. So much tell in the pre-season this year. Debrusk and Hogs on Petey's wings. This could be an explosive line. Both wingers could be + 30 goal scorers. If Mik had scored on a quarter of his looks last season the ozone game would have looked totally different. Petey lost confidence and was 2nd guessing his game but I put some of that on Mik's lack of scoring. There will be a lot more compete in camp and in pre-season so we could see some surprises up front and on the back end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) This is what I'd like to see attempted: Podz - Miller - Boeser Hoglander - Pettersson - Debrusk Garland - Blueger - Joshua Heinen - Aman - Sherwood It's time to give Podz the chance to live up to his draft position. He's got a good relationship with Miller so I think that could work well, and he can take some of the forechecking load from Miller. I'd like to see Sherwood get some training on face-offs from Manny, if he could be decent at right hand draws it would be a big plus. Edited July 4 by Bob Long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: I share your concern with the d-core. I will not be surprised to see RT experiment with Hronek and Hughes split. I can see a Hronek - Soucy pair but do not know who goes to 1RD. So much tell in the pre-season this year. Debrusk and Hogs on Petey's wings. This could be an explosive line. Both wingers could be + 30 goal scorers. If Mik had scored on a quarter of his looks last season the ozone game would have looked totally different. Petey lost confidence and was 2nd guessing his game but I put some of that on Mik's lack of scoring. There will be a lot more compete in camp and in pre-season so we could see some surprises up front and on the back end. I don't know enough about Desharnais history - was he ever a puck moving guy at lower levels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Oh, No! What are we going to do? How will we know shi stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 6 hours ago, Boudrias said: I share your concern with the d-core. I will not be surprised to see RT experiment with Hronek and Hughes split. I can see a Hronek - Soucy pair but do not know who goes to 1RD. So much tell in the pre-season this year. Debrusk and Hogs on Petey's wings. This could be an explosive line. Both wingers could be + 30 goal scorers. If Mik had scored on a quarter of his looks last season the ozone game would have looked totally different. Petey lost confidence and was 2nd guessing his game but I put some of that on Mik's lack of scoring. There will be a lot more compete in camp and in pre-season so we could see some surprises up front and on the back end. I think based on what management said as well they'll have to try this. Hughes - Desharnais (yikes but they must be thinking poor man's Schenn?) Soucy - Hronek Forbott - Myers (pretty decent shutdown pairing to be fair) I don't know why we haven't played Myers and Hughes much together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderM Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 TSN's Biron ranks Canucks goaltending #1 in Canada. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/list-it-ranking-all-seven-canadian-goaltending-tandems~2952407 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 A fwd lineup I'd like to see: Heinen - Miller - Boeser DeBrusk - Petey - Sherwood Joshua - Blueger - Gnarly Hogs - Suter - Podz 1st line: Danton had proven he can play with top line players and has hit the 40pt mark before. He seems like a great complimentary piece that could outperform Suter in that spot; plus, Suter likely has to go back to centre. 2nd line: Both have size, hard forechecking, quick and great shots to go with Petey? Yes, please. Everyone seems to think Sherwood has some untapped scoring potential; well, let's see. 3rd line: Best third line in hockey. They will outmatched their 3rd line opponents pretty well every night. 4th line: Hogs arguably plays better against weaker competition; well, let's let him shine and take advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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