Philadelphia Mass Looting

[bishopshodan]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

$4 bullet

 

Jeepers.

Thats seems like an expensive bullet. 

 

I always thought it was better to execute someone with a small caliber. You want it to go through the front of the skull but not strong enough to go through the back. That way the bullet bounces around inside the head causing far more damage to the brain. People survive sometimes when the shot goes clean through the dome. 

 

I heard that the few weeks after Bindy was shot. My friend witnessed it. Apparently the killer left the gun, it was like a little derringer type. 

 

 

[24K]

15 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

When I speak of capital punishment and my disgust with why the system that exists infuriates me and the suggestion of no cause for appeal for criminals who commit violent crimes with zero possibility of denial regardless of motive

 

This is what I mean

 

Why the absolute hell was he allowed to plead not guilty?  The trial will cost hundreds of thousands.  Jailing him will cost close to an estimated $115,000 a year which does not include the cost of wages for guards or utilities and maintenance on a building he will be housed in.

 

$4 bullet.  Period.  I will dig the shallow hole he deserves to be put in

 

The cause of death for the four members of a Muslim family who were killed after they were struck by a pickup truck in London, Ont., on June 6, 2021, was "multiple trauma."

At the trial of Nathaniel Veltman, 22, jurors in Ontario Superior Court in Windsor were told Wednesday that lawyers for the defence and prosecution agree on how the Afzaals died and that the accused drove the truck that struck them.  The accused was arrested in the hours following the attack. He's charged with four counts of first-degree murder, one count of attempted murder and terrorism counts, and has pleaded not guilty.

The idea behind the system is that it is better to let a crime go unpunished than to have one innocent person be wrongly punished. 

 

But yeah if there is like a video of the person carrying out the act and was found to be mentally fit to perform the crime tean they should lose their appeal rights and be dealt with efficiently. 

[bishopshodan]

9 minutes ago, 24K said:

The idea behind the system is that it is better to let a crime go unpunished than to have one innocent person be wrongly punished. 

 

But yeah if there is like a video of the person carrying out the act and was found to be mentally fit to perform the crime tean they should lose their appeal rights and be dealt with efficiently. 

 

I think one thing all in this convo can agree on is that our court system is turrible. 

Too long for trials, too much money spent, too lenient of verdicts in lots of cases. 

[Alflives]

Mass looting is bad. No excuses for doing that. No defending that stuff. 

[bishopshodan]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Mass looting is bad. No excuses for doing that. No defending that stuff. 

That's the problem, 

They need better defense against this stuff. Some of the vids had Canucks on the blueline. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

There's far right nutters and there's those complicit because they still vote Conservative, who do nothing but cowtow to the far right

Yeah it's kind of like the old saying, "when you have 9,999 good cops & one bad cop but those good cops do nothing about the one bad cop you really have 10,000 bad cops".

[Jeremy Hronek]

8 hours ago, stawns said:

If that were the case, tyered be no murder in states with capital punishment, no?

 

There would still be murders but it would be significantly less.  

 

Maybe 'capital punishment' isn't even the answer since a lot of criminals out there don't fear a quick death.  

 

Maybe create more Guantanamo Bay's so that criminals know that more hells on earth exist?  (and hence, further deter criminals).   

 

Or, just keep it simple.  Find out what Singapore is doing (a democratic country by the way), and just emulate their style when it comes to policing and the justice system.

 

Again, I'm not saying that "they're better than us."  We do many things better than them.  In this one aspect of society however, perhaps we can agree that a country like Singapore is absolutely on top of things.  Even China (socialist/authoritarian, yes) which has over a billion people is very on the ball when it comes to controlling the people.  

 

 

[Warhippy]

5 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Jeepers.

 

5 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

Thats seems like an expensive bullet. 

 

I always thought it was better to execute someone with a small caliber. You want it to go through the front of the skull but not strong enough to go through the back. That way the bullet bounces around inside the head causing far more damage to the brain. People survive sometimes when the shot goes clean through the dome. 

 

I heard that the few weeks after Bindy was shot. My friend witnessed it. Apparently the killer left the gun, it was like a little derringer type. 

 

 

It's a government program.  Lucky the bullet isn't $149.50

 

[Jeremy Hronek]

10 hours ago, 24K said:

Man you setting your bar low. If you go barbaric, go full barbaric. Try the Saudi method. Cut off the hands. 

 

/s

 

Canada at its core is still a democracy and so "the Saudi method" would be too extreme here.  I know you're being sarcastic here but I thought I'd address this.

 

My suggestion is that we emulate democratic countries that have a strong police and military presence and implement very strict punishments for law breakers.  Singapore is a terrific example in my opinion.  People there respect authority and you would never ridiculous looting like what we saw in Philadelphia.  I'm not overly familiar with South Korea and Japan but I don't see things like that happening over there either.  

[Jeremy Hronek]

11 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

You too.

 

One more thing though, are you Smokes?

 

No, I am not.  

[24K]

14 hours ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

 

Canada at its core is still a democracy and so "the Saudi method" would be too extreme here.  I know you're being sarcastic here but I thought I'd address this.

 

My suggestion is that we emulate democratic countries that have a strong police and military presence and implement very strict punishments for law breakers.  Singapore is a terrific example in my opinion.  People there respect authority and you would never ridiculous looting like what we saw in Philadelphia.  I'm not overly familiar with South Korea and Japan but I don't see things like that happening over there either.  

Yeah so comparing Canada or the US to Asian countries is kind of a false comparison as it is mostly a culture thing.

 

The west value individualism so the core issue when it relates to looting is 'I get what I want, everyone else be damned'. Asian countries by contrast are more collective so by their nature they do would rather suffer than harm others in their collective. It is not really a respect to authority but rather a respect for their fellow kin. 

Edited September 28, 2023 by 24K

[StrayDog]

22 hours ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

 

I don't hate drugs as much as I strongly dislike many people in North America having little to no respect for the police and for the laws in our countries.  

 

In both Canada and America, we need

 

1) A few bigger police budget

2) Far stricter laws

3) Far stricter punishment.  

 

As for your last question, that's not a black or white issue.  It's a grey issue obviously and that's something that the courts would have to decide.  My only hope that is whatever the courts decide,

 

1) The wait for trial will be far less

2) Far less people in our prison systems wasting tax payers dollars

3) A right to a fair trial, making absolutely sure someone is guilty, and then giving them very severe punishment.  

 

Something similar to what they do in Singapore and China.  

You keep using words like "we" and "our" to refer to countries you no longer live in (seemingly by choice). Why do you continue to claim them as "yours" while extolling Singapore and China? If you want to Make North America Great Again, come back here and vote.

Or continue to live in (random Asian country) where the State Police will kick in your door and execute you for rolling a fat one...

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

Seattle residents describing the dystopian hellscape they live in. I guess we know what news station old smokie watches. 

 

https://reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/4WQf0B8kIy

[StrayDog]

22 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

They never get forgiven. 

 

I recommend the book Mad Blood Stirring

https://www.amazon.ca/Mad-Blood-Stirring-Inner-Violent/dp/0345812921

 

When Pedo's get out they get no support. In the book it talks about how counsellors will set up groups under aliases so that they can meet and help these sick, sick people. They usually will tell a church that they are an AA group and secretly have meetings to discuss their problems and get support. These groups always get found out and tossd from the venues. It results in the pedo ex-cons having nowhere to go for help, they end up often reoffending.

 

Sad shit.

 

 

Pedophiles deserve zero forgiveness and even less sympathy. Take them out back and bludgeon them with a rock. Which, by the way, is cheaper than a bullet and is reusable, making it a green option for execution.

[bishopshodan]

1 minute ago, StrayDog said:

Pedophiles deserve zero forgiveness and even less sympathy. Take them out back and bludgeon them with a rock. Which, by the way, is cheaper than a bullet and is reusable, making it a green option for execution.

But we dont do that.

 

So, what do we do in the meantime to stop them from reoffending?

[StrayDog]

Just now, bishopshodan said:

But we dont do that.

 

So, what do we do in the meantime to stop them from reoffending?

Honestly? I don't think you can stop a pedophile from reoffending. Therein lies the problem, along with too-light prison sentences. I don't think there is anything that can be done currently on that front. I feel too many people believe pedophiles can be rehabbed and I don't believe that's possible.

[NoHeart]

Poor Philly. Was one of my favourite cities in the north east just 10 years ago. 
 

Right/left. Deep down we all know why the metro areas are deteriorating in North America. We are literally losing cities and nobody has the balls to do what’s right and acknowledge what’s really happening. They’d sooner see a place like Philly go down and blame it on everything but the accountability of an individual. I really don’t see our society coming out of this. Vancouver, Victoria and Kelowna aren’t that far off. 

[stawns]

11 hours ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

 

There would still be murders but it would be significantly less.  

 

Maybe 'capital punishment' isn't even the answer since a lot of criminals out there don't fear a quick death.  

 

Maybe create more Guantanamo Bay's so that criminals know that more hells on earth exist?  (and hence, further deter criminals).   

 

Or, just keep it simple.  Find out what Singapore is doing (a democratic country by the way), and just emulate their style when it comes to policing and the justice system.

 

Again, I'm not saying that "they're better than us."  We do many things better than them.  In this one aspect of society however, perhaps we can agree that a country like Singapore is absolutely on top of things.  Even China (socialist/authoritarian, yes) which has over a billion people is very on the ball when it comes to controlling the people.  

 

 

So torture is your preferred method of punishment?

[Jeremy Hronek]

31 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

where the State Police will kick in your door and execute you for rolling a fat one...

 

The way it should be in my opinion.  

[stawns]

12 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

Pedophiles deserve zero forgiveness and even less sympathy. Take them out back and bludgeon them with a rock. Which, by the way, is cheaper than a bullet and is reusable, making it a green option for execution.

As a survivor of severe childhood sexual abuse, I understand that my abuser was almost certainly abused himself as a child (residential school).  And though it doesn't excuse the fact that he continued that cycle of abuse himself, I have great empathy for him because he, himself, is a victim as well.

Edited September 28, 2023 by stawns

[Jeremy Hronek]

Just now, stawns said:

So torture is your preferred method of punishment?

 

If it gets results then absolutely.  

 

Again, look at Singapore.  They are a democratic country and yet they implement very strict laws and punishments to discourage criminals and criminal activities.  No looting, no open drug use, no one "blazing up" or "shooting up" on public metro systems, no girlfriend/boyfriend violence at clubs, etc., etc.  North America needs to wake up as far as respect for laws and respect for the police goes.  It's that simple.

[stawns]

Just now, Jeremy Hronek said:

 

If it gets results then absolutely.  

 

Again, look at Singapore.  They are a democratic country and yet they implement very strict laws and punishments to discourage criminals and criminal activities.  No looting, no open drug use, no one "blazing up" or "shooting up" on public metro systems, no girlfriend/boyfriend violence at clubs, etc., etc.  North America needs to wake up as far as respect for laws and respect for the police goes.  It's that simple.

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Poor Philly. Was one of my favourite cities in the north east just 10 years ago. 
 

Right/left. Deep down we all know why the metro areas are deteriorating in North America. We are literally losing cities and nobody has the balls to do what’s right and acknowledge what’s really happening. They’d sooner see a place like Philly go down and blame it on everything but the accountability of an individual. I really don’t see our society coming out of this. Vancouver, Victoria and Kelowna aren’t that far off. 

I'm not sure what people expect at this stage of "capitalism".  You can't erase hope for generation after generation and not expect blowback.

 

Crime is a symptom of the sickness, not the sickness itself.

[StrayDog]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

As a survivor of severe childhood sexual abuse, I understand that my abuser was almost certainly abused himself as a child (residential school) and though it doesn't excuse the fact that he continued that could cke of abuse himself, I have great empathy for him because he, himself, is a victim as well.

You have my sympathies, and my wish it had never happened to you. I know that many abusers are abused themselves, but for whatever reason they choose to continue the hurt instead of breaking the cycle as you did, and I admit I find it hard to be sympathetic to them.

But there are also those who are not prior victims, and I have less empathy for them.

[bishopshodan]

3 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

Honestly? I don't think you can stop a pedophile from reoffending. Therein lies the problem, along with too-light prison sentences. I don't think there is anything that can be done currently on that front. I feel too many people believe pedophiles can be rehabbed and I don't believe that's possible.

 

I'm not apsychologist so I dont know. My sister is one, I will ask on the weekend if there are any success stories that she has heard of.

 

I know it's gross to think of helping the worst of society, but we are also helping oursleves and the safety of children to get these awful humans figured out.

 

We don't leave them in jail to rot, we dont kill them. Maybe we should but that is not the system we live in. So what do we do when they have done their time? ignoring them and not providing resources is burying our head in the sand and could lead to hurt.