[Speculation] Report: Maple Leafs Doctors OK'd Jani Hakanpaa's Knee Despite "Degenerative" Condition

[Kragar]

6 hours ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Funny you mention this. A couple of days ago on Kypper and Bourne, they were saying the Leafs are considering stripping the C from Tavares and giving it to Mr. Porn Stash here....

Wow.

 

I don't have much respect for Tavares (stemming back to something in the Olympics some time ago), but that seems like a strange move. Gotta think Tavares would be the better candidate, but maybe he's losing the room?

[Spoosh]

On 7/5/2024 at 4:47 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

But..but LTIR!

Don’t you just love when things just fall into place for you.

 

Sign players to contracts so that you can use them on LTIR right away. Work smarter. 
 

Some teams manage their cap, some seem to manage their LTIR.

 

 

[IBatch]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:17 PM, Kragar said:

Wow.

 

I don't have much respect for Tavares (stemming back to something in the Olympics some time ago), but that seems like a strange move. Gotta think Tavares would be the better candidate, but maybe he's losing the room?

It was Tavares versus Mathew's last time. Captain underpants was a thing, got caught walking around and showing a lady in the parking garage his underwear.    Versus captain PJ's,  Tavares as a kid loving TO.   Don't know what Tavares did at the Olympics.    Nothing egregious, it would be there in the grey matter.      Just that NYI fans were pretty bitter over the loss of their captain to free agency.    Now Tavares cap hit is almost off the books.    Likely has to do with that and plans to move on after.   That's a lot of cap freeing up. 

Edited July 8 by IBatch

[IBatch]

On 7/5/2024 at 10:10 AM, DrJockitch said:

Everything and I mean everything in an operating room is counted in and out before closing. Not one piece of gauze or needle tip can go unaccounted for before the surgeon can close. 

 

Went to pick up my future wife.   After her wisdom teeth surgery.   In her early 20's, we were madly in love to say the least.   Simple procedure.    Asked the receptionist what was going on the office was buzzing.    Was told she had "complications, couldn't breathe and they'd taken her back in after recovery".   Pacing around an hour later she came out.    They used forceps (more on that later) to pull out a large ball of gauze, that almost killed her.    One of the teeth were impacted, and suppose they needed extra gauze to control the bleeding.    That said, i've never heard of this procedure considered anything but routine.   Practically every kid in my generation, had them out in their teens.    Yikes right?

 

They didn't do a very good time counting the gauze.  This was in the mid 90's.   She almost died getting her wisdom teeth out, even now thinking about it makes my stomach churn.   Her throat was a mess.  In-law Mom was a surgical nurse for decades, and at the time said it was the responsibility of that person to do the count.    Wasn't what I expected, showing up on time for pick-up, after dropping her off a couple hours prior. 

 

Now on to the forceps.   One of my favourite clients during my career, was a self made man who built a massive building supply empire in Alberta, sold out after surviving cancer in his late 40's,  moved to the Island bought a beautiful oceanfront acreage and hired us build his dream.   Worked for a lot of wealthy people, he is one cool hombre.    A week after his cancer surgery he was complaining still about pain in the incision area.    This was the mid 2000's.   Given who he is, i'm sure he had the best possible care at the time. 

 

Well it wasn't Dark Knight cell-phone bad, it was pretty bad.   Imaging found a set of forceps inside the body.   Clamping tool.    He took it in good humour, as you can imagine, the doctor was pretty horrified.    It was a lateral incision, pretty big one, across his belly.   So could see you could leave a lot of stuff in there.   I've heard of sepsis occurring from sponges, can only imagine how the body would try and handle a set of pliers. 

 

Thanks for the post though.   It's great having someone on  in the field to provide insights.   And am sure these things are uber rare, especially equipment.    Guess that you've probably heard some stories - here are two.    

[DrJockitch]

5 minutes ago, IBatch said:

 

Went to pick up my future wife.   After her wisdom teeth surgery.   In her early 20's, we were madly in love to say the least.   Simple procedure.    Asked the receptionist what was going on the office was buzzing.    Was told she had "complications, couldn't breathe and they'd taken her back in after recovery".   Pacing around an hour later she came out.    They used forceps (more on that later) to pull out a large ball of gauze, that almost killed her.    One of the teeth were impacted, and suppose they needed extra gauze to control the bleeding.    That said, i've never heard of this procedure considered anything but routine.   Practically every kid in my generation, had them out in their teens.    Yikes right?

 

They didn't do a very good time counting the gauze.  This was in the mid 90's.   She almost died getting her wisdom teeth out, even now thinking about it makes my stomach churn.   Her throat was a mess.  In-law Mom was a surgical nurse for decades, and at the time said it was the responsibility of that person to do the count.    Wasn't what I expected, showing up on time for pick-up, after dropping her off a couple hours prior. 

 

Now on to the forceps.   One of my favourite clients during my career, was a self made man who built a massive building supply empire in Alberta, sold out after surviving cancer in his late 40's,  moved to the Island bought a beautiful oceanfront acreage and hired us build his dream.   Worked for a lot of wealthy people, he is one cool hombre.    A week after his cancer surgery he was complaining still about pain in the incision area.    This was the mid 2000's.   Given who he is, i'm sure he had the best possible care at the time. 

 

Well it wasn't Dark Knight cell-phone bad, it was pretty bad.   Imaging found a set of forceps inside the body.   Clamping tool.    He took it in good humour, as you can imagine, the doctor was pretty horrified.    It was a lateral incision, pretty big one, across his belly.   So could see you could leave a lot of stuff in there.   I've heard of sepsis occurring from sponges, can only imagine how the body would try and handle a set of pliers. 

 

Thanks for the post though.   It's great having someone on  in the field to provide insights.   And am sure these things are uber rare, especially equipment.    Guess that you've probably heard some stories - here are two.    

Hard to comment on the dentistry side. 
‘The forceps are probably less problematic than the gauze actually because they are relatively inert. Still a problem but less so. 
‘It is now done as part of the rituals of the OR, check patient check operation, where applicable the surgeon confirms side and initials the limb to be operated on and every piece of equipment that goes on the table gets counted in and out. 
More minor procedures done outside the OR are probably the more problematic issue. 

[Ghostsof1915]

On 7/6/2024 at 4:46 PM, Spoosh said:

Don’t you just love when things just fall into place for you.

 

Sign players to contracts so that you can use them on LTIR right away. Work smarter. 
 

Some teams manage their cap, some seem to manage their LTIR.

 

 

We could have saved them the step and traded Poolman and they get LTIR right away though.

Getting a late round pick would be fantastic for Vancouver.

[LillStrimma]

On 7/5/2024 at 3:23 AM, Don Brodka Jr said:

Ferland could've been very productive here..  he just had shit for brains! Which I suppose probably has a lot to do with all his concussions.. but he was finally starting to produce offensively in his career. He hit like a truck, created good space for himself.. He didn't need to fight all the time.. Absolute shit for brains.. 

The guy suffers a concussion in a fight vs Kyle Clifford in LA first month of the season.. He sits for 3+ months only to come back in the bubble vs Minnesota & immediately drops the gloves and fights Marcus Foligno suffers his final and career ending concussion.

It didn't need to end like that.

If you think it was the two fights that stopped his career, think again.

one single hit by a big D could cause that fragile brain to collaps. I believe Ferland engaged in the fights on purpose so he could blame them for the leave. So damn stupid was both the fights and the signing by Benning. Ferland took a very dangerous risk playing those few games he did to make a last splash of money..

 

The Leafs thing isn’t in anyway near the brutal deal Benning did.

[Kragar]

7 hours ago, IBatch said:

It was Tavares versus Mathew's last time. Captain underpants was a thing, got caught walking around and showing a lady in the parking garage his underwear.    Versus captain PJ's,  Tavares as a kid loving TO.   Don't know what Tavares did at the Olympics.    Nothing egregious, it would be there in the grey matter.      Just that NYI fans were pretty bitter over the loss of their captain to free agency.    Now Tavares cap hit is almost off the books.    Likely has to do with that and plans to move on after.   That's a lot of cap freeing up. 

Yeah, that's the likely reason. Still not sure it's the right way to go, unless there's something in the room they are trying to fix

[Don Brodka Jr]

9 hours ago, LillStrimma said:

 

 

The Leafs thing isn’t in anyway near the brutal deal Benning did.

 

In fairness I never did say that.. Some other guy did. I was just commenting on their remarks.. 

My main point was and still is Michael Ferland has shit for brains. 

Very rich man indeed but probably will spent the latter years of his life consuming a lot lf his food through straws + a heavy diet of soup.. But our boy Michael will be able to afford the good spices! He'll be good.

[Devron]

What a degenerate 

[RJCF96]

On 7/4/2024 at 6:23 PM, Don Brodka Jr said:

Ferland could've been very productive here..  he just had shit for brains! Which I suppose probably has a lot to do with all his concussions.. but he was finally starting to produce offensively in his career. He hit like a truck, created good space for himself.. He didn't need to fight all the time.. Absolute shit for brains.. 

The guy suffers a concussion in a fight vs Kyle Clifford in LA first month of the season.. He sits for 3+ months only to come back in the bubble vs Minnesota & immediately drops the gloves and fights Marcus Foligno suffers his final and career ending concussion.

It didn't need to end like that.

On an unrelated note, we may finally have found a healthy Ferland of our own in Dakota Joshua.

 

Joshua plays a similar style of a game, broke out offensively at a similar age. We signed Joshua to similar contract for 4 years. If Joshua can consistently produce 15-20 goals putting up 40-45 points a season, we have found our healthy Ferland.

[GrammaInTheTub]

Interesting article on TSN about this signing what the status of it is - it was announced as a group of trades but hasn’t been made official or something to that effect… Very curious.

[RWJC]

Maple Leafs Unlikely To Register Jani Hakanpää’s Contract

 

August 27th, 2024 at 1:17pm CST • By Josh Erickson

 

It doesn’t appear that the Maple Leafs will be signing defenseman Jani Hakanpää after all. After nearly two months without registering his reported two-year, $3MM agreement, TSN’s Chris Johnston said on First Up 1050 on Tuesday that “the writing doesn’t appear to be too encouraging” on the Leafs getting Hakanpää to ink a deal.

 

Hakanpää, 32, was still recovering from the knee injury that truncated his 2023-24 campaign with the Stars when his deal with Toronto was reported on July 1. It was his first time on the open market since 2021 when he inked a three-year, $4.5MM deal to join Dallas. The Finnish veteran still thinks he can play through the injury, which Johnston says has left his knee “basically bone on bone.” The Leafs’ medical team and some other outside medical opinions contradict that sentiment, leading to his continued free agency.

 

Even if he doesn’t sign with Toronto, Hakanpää’s options will likely be limited if he elects to play through the injury. Only a few, if any, teams will sign him if he can’t pass a physical. The 6’6″, 225-lb right-shot defender was a valuable presence on the Dallas blue line for the past few seasons, averaging north of 18 minutes per game and totaling 40 points, a +29 rating, 136 PIMs, 363 blocks and 668 hits in 226 games. He had decent possession quality numbers, controlling 47.7% of expected goals at even strength despite being used heavily in shutdown situations.

 

It’s a tough break for the Leafs, who were hoping to either utilize Hakanpää as a defensive anchor on a pairing with Morgan Rielly or Oliver Ekman-Larsson, or potentially even in a stay-at-home pair with Jake McCabe. They would have needed to clear cap space to add him to the roster, though. Toronto has just over $1.25MM in projected cap space with a roster size of 21, not enough to fit Hakanpää in at his reported $1.5MM cap hit.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/08/maple-leafs-unlikely-to-register-jani-hakanpaas-contract.html#ref=home

[R3aL]

On 7/4/2024 at 4:53 PM, RWJC said:

Report: Maple Leafs Doctors OK'd Jani Hakanpaa's Knee Despite "Degenerative" Condition

 

Dave Litman 

Thursday, July 04, 2024

There's some controversy brewing over one of the Toronto Maple Leafs big (in the physical sense of the word) free agent additions, Jani Hakanpaa. The 6-foot-7 blueliner didn't play a game with the Dallas Stars after the middle of March, and a report this week claimed there are fears he might never play again. 

 

In the words of Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun, he says he was "told by two different sources that they were shocked any team would sign him. I was told they didn't think he'd play again." He went on to reveal that he was told "his knee was bone on bone".

 

A follow-up report from Leafs insider Nick Kypreos of Sportsnet and the Toronto Star found that indeed Hakanpaa has a "degenerative knee" condition, but that Leafs' doctors didn't share the same fears that the Stars' docs did. 

 

“A Dallas source confirmed to me they would have liked to re-sign Hakanpää but feared he has a “degenerative knee” that would be tough to manage next season. 

 

The Leafs certainly do not feel the same way as their medical team had an extensive look prior to the signing and were very comfortable giving (team president Brendan) Shanahan and (GM Brad) Treliving the green light to move forward.”

 

Toronto reportedly signed the bruising blueliner to a 2-year, $1.5 million AAV deal.

 

Hakanpaa registered a +29 rating in his three years in Dallas, recording an average of 223 hits per season, while averaging 121 blocked shots per year as well. He'll be a huge (no pun intended) help on the penalty kill... assuming he's able to play.

 

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/07/report-maple-leafs-doctors-okd-jani.html

Sucks for the guy I didn’t know it was that bad like never play again knee injury.

 

must be a crap feeling. I know it’s funny to see a bad situation for leafs but really sucks for the person 

[Captain insano]

17 hours ago, RWJC said:

Maple Leafs Unlikely To Register Jani Hakanpää’s Contract

 

August 27th, 2024 at 1:17pm CST • By Josh Erickson

 

It doesn’t appear that the Maple Leafs will be signing defenseman Jani Hakanpää after all. After nearly two months without registering his reported two-year, $3MM agreement, TSN’s Chris Johnston said on First Up 1050 on Tuesday that “the writing doesn’t appear to be too encouraging” on the Leafs getting Hakanpää to ink a deal.

 

Hakanpää, 32, was still recovering from the knee injury that truncated his 2023-24 campaign with the Stars when his deal with Toronto was reported on July 1. It was his first time on the open market since 2021 when he inked a three-year, $4.5MM deal to join Dallas. The Finnish veteran still thinks he can play through the injury, which Johnston says has left his knee “basically bone on bone.” The Leafs’ medical team and some other outside medical opinions contradict that sentiment, leading to his continued free agency.

 

Even if he doesn’t sign with Toronto, Hakanpää’s options will likely be limited if he elects to play through the injury. Only a few, if any, teams will sign him if he can’t pass a physical. The 6’6″, 225-lb right-shot defender was a valuable presence on the Dallas blue line for the past few seasons, averaging north of 18 minutes per game and totaling 40 points, a +29 rating, 136 PIMs, 363 blocks and 668 hits in 226 games. He had decent possession quality numbers, controlling 47.7% of expected goals at even strength despite being used heavily in shutdown situations.

 

It’s a tough break for the Leafs, who were hoping to either utilize Hakanpää as a defensive anchor on a pairing with Morgan Rielly or Oliver Ekman-Larsson, or potentially even in a stay-at-home pair with Jake McCabe. They would have needed to clear cap space to add him to the roster, though. Toronto has just over $1.25MM in projected cap space with a roster size of 21, not enough to fit Hakanpää in at his reported $1.5MM cap hit.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/08/maple-leafs-unlikely-to-register-jani-hakanpaas-contract.html#ref=home

Toronto should have to honour this if the league was allowing him to play in the state he is in and he’s willing to play in that state then the offer should be honoured or am I missing something here? 

[GrammaInTheTub]

36 minutes ago, Captain insano said:

Toronto should have to honour this if the league was allowing him to play in the state he is in and he’s willing to play in that state then the offer should be honoured or am I missing something here? 

My thoughts exactly. Presumably the player missed out on potentially signing with other teams who would have been willing to take a chance on him as well. I don’t understand how it was announced and then just not registered… seems shady 

[Captain insano]

18 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said:

My thoughts exactly. Presumably the player missed out on potentially signing with other teams who would have been willing to take a chance on him as well. I don’t understand how it was announced and then just not registered… seems shady 

But but but the league is bias against Toronto and bettman is the reason they never win in playoffs

[Rocket-68]

1 hour ago, GrammaInTheTub said:

My thoughts exactly. Presumably the player missed out on potentially signing with other teams who would have been willing to take a chance on him as well. I don’t understand how it was announced and then just not registered… seems shady 

Just my 2 cents as an 'unbiased' observer, , I would assume the NHLPA would come unglued at the seams if the agreement was NOT honoured as it impacts the overall integrity of deals made, signed, and delivered only to be cast aside. The argument about "delivered" to still be made of course but still the latter two seem to have already been made according to the pinheads that write about these sorts of things. 

Edited August 28 by Rocket-68