[Rumour] Crosby and Pens working on extension

[Gawdzukes]

13 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Flames still take Tkachuk at 5 and we take Juolevi at 6.

 

Benning gets a 2nd round pick out of the deal that he trades for a 34 year old bottom 6 forward…

 

Don't forget the immediate 3 year $14.5 million dollar extension for a guy with a career high of 23 points.

[canuck73_3]

23 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

I dunno they were talking on the radio about it this morning saying the reports are saying 10mil and they are hashing out the term coz Dubas wants 2-3 Crosby wants longer. Take it with a grain of salt 

10.87 Mill it is 

[canuck73_3]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Seems as silly to dwell too long on the many Jim Benning errors (like "Mike Gillis" destroyed the franchise for X years).  Time to move on imho.  The Vancouver Canucks are far, far, far better off today with neither of those two involved with the franchise anymore.

Right I don't understand why people need to keep beating a dead horse there he's been gone nearly 3 years now move the fk on already 

[AnthonyG]

3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Seems as silly to dwell too long on the many Jim Benning errors (like "Mike Gillis" destroyed the franchise for X years).  Time to move on imho.  The Vancouver Canucks are far, far, far better off today with neither of those two involved with the franchise anymore.

It really is silly, especially shit that happened almost 10 years ago.

I can also say Canucks are also far better THANKS to Jim Benning.

Just going to point out current management resigned everybody's favorite whipping boy Tyler Myers and prioritized him over everyone's favorite, Zadorov. Just sayin, this management group has liked a lot of Benning's prized possessions, Gudbranson another name we're all familiar with. JR has picked up a fair share of JB's sloppy seconds over the years. To say we are in much better hands, yet both JR and JB saw the same things in the same guys says that they really arent that far a part. I should also mention without touching anything the 2021-22 team narrowly missed playoffs, once Pettersson caught fire we were one of the top 10 teams down the stretch, we were a legit contender the way we closed out the season. JR and PA both stood behind JB's body of work and said they FIRMLY believed it was playoff team and if they didnt make playoffs it would be an utter failure. That came from your current POHO and GM and if they have that to say about JBs work, perhaps fans around here should really take a step back and look at what he did for us. 

[canuck73_3]

53 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

It really is silly, especially shit that happened almost 10 years ago.

I can also say Canucks are also far better THANKS to Jim Benning.

Just going to point out current management resigned everybody's favorite whipping boy Tyler Myers and prioritized him over everyone's favorite, Zadorov. Just sayin, this management group has liked a lot of Benning's prized possessions, Gudbranson another name we're all familiar with. JR has picked up a fair share of JB's sloppy seconds over the years. To say we are in much better hands, yet both JR and JB saw the same things in the same guys says that they really arent that far a part. I should also mention without touching anything the 2021-22 team narrowly missed playoffs, once Pettersson caught fire we were one of the top 10 teams down the stretch, we were a legit contender the way we closed out the season. JR and PA both stood behind JB's body of work and said they FIRMLY believed it was playoff team and if they didnt make playoffs it would be an utter failure. That came from your current POHO and GM and if they have that to say about JBs work, perhaps fans around here should really take a step back and look at what he did for us. 

Benning brought in some good pieces he was just never able to put the whole puzzle together and overpaid for bottom 6 forwards and Poolman

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Benning brought in some good pieces he was just never able to put the whole puzzle together and overpaid for bottom 6 forwards and Poolman

Yea and those bottom 6 guys were brought to provide sheltered development at the NHL level. Not to win a cup. We had our ELC guys or guys on their first RFA deal in the NHL and our picks in the AHL all developing in different environments. In the minors its slower, its more gradual and a little more room for mistake. At the NHL level for Boeser, Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat etc, they need very strong supporting walls around them to give them the best development through the ELC and first RFA deals. Look what Edmonton has done for over a decade how many players they ruined because they've all just been thrown into the fire. Benning signed guys to mid term deals that all brought either cup experience or a ton of experience. He put a cup winner next to Demko, cup experience up and down the roster.

For Benning or ANY GM (which I have done the research on for all cup winners) it has taken 8 years minimum to build a cup winner with generational talent otherwise its 10+ years. From the first Franchise rebuild pick to the cup. Without the Crosby's of the league its 10 years minimum to go from bottom to cup winner. Just remember you have to draft your core that alone will take 5 years at the very least, as you are drafting year by year your players are developing and after your final core piece has been selected it takes a few years for them to catch up to the core and then you have legitimately finished the rebuild, now its the contending stage and that takes 7-8 years to get to that point. Benning wasnt even here for 8 full years and had no high-end prospects, no valuable trade chips and was stuck with guys too old, not willing to waive or will only go to one team. yet he made a playoff appearance and took out the defending champs, then took VGK to 7 games while losing his starting goalie, Toffoli, Tanev was banged up and Myers returned from injury early to help secure the dzone. Thats pretty remarkable. COVID fucked us hard that off-season but in the long run it was the best thing for us. Edmonton is now about to get absolutely fist fucked by COVIDs impact over the next 2 years guaranteed. There are 2 things McDavid will never touch in his career. The Conn Smythe and the Stanley cup. The flat cap didnt allow the cap to catch up and exceed inflation. Now McDavid who is still at top inflation, is going to have to watch Draisatil who was wellllll under inflation and his value/producition exceeding his contract, is about to ink a deal at max inflation and max term either in EDM or his ass is getting shipped because if they look down the road, that contract is going to fuck them, because then its McDavid the following season and that will be 2 players taking up 30% MINIMUM of the salary cap, not to mention Bouchard at the same time as Drai and SKinner with McDavid. Yet Bennings "mistakes" or "dumb choices" to no re-sign guys like Tanev, Marky and Toffoli have actually come through to save us. We wouldnt have the season we had last season, we wouldnt have shown the potential the 2 seasons prior. Poolman woopty fuckin doo, 2.5mil of LTIR. Rather that than Nurse at 9.25mil. Whos fuck up is going to hurt worse? that Poolman deal or the Nurse one? 2.5mil is spilled milk compared to that and MANY other deals around the league.

 

[canuck73_3]

3 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Yea and those bottom 6 guys were brought to provide sheltered development at the NHL level. Not to win a cup. We had our ELC guys or guys on their first RFA deal in the NHL and our picks in the AHL all developing in different environments. In the minors its slower, its more gradual and a little more room for mistake. At the NHL level for Boeser, Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat etc, they need very strong supporting walls around them to give them the best development through the ELC and first RFA deals. Look what Edmonton has done for over a decade how many players they ruined because they've all just been thrown into the fire. Benning signed guys to mid term deals that all brought either cup experience or a ton of experience. He put a cup winner next to Demko, cup experience up and down the roster.

For Benning or ANY GM (which I have done the research on for all cup winners) it has taken 8 years minimum to build a cup winner with generational talent otherwise its 10+ years. From the first Franchise rebuild pick to the cup. Without the Crosby's of the league its 10 years minimum to go from bottom to cup winner. Just remember you have to draft your core that alone will take 5 years at the very least, as you are drafting year by year your players are developing and after your final core piece has been selected it takes a few years for them to catch up to the core and then you have legitimately finished the rebuild, now its the contending stage and that takes 7-8 years to get to that point. Benning wasnt even here for 8 full years and had no high-end prospects, no valuable trade chips and was stuck with guys too old, not willing to waive or will only go to one team. yet he made a playoff appearance and took out the defending champs, then took VGK to 7 games while losing his starting goalie, Toffoli, Tanev was banged up and Myers returned from injury early to help secure the dzone. Thats pretty remarkable. COVID fucked us hard that off-season but in the long run it was the best thing for us. Edmonton is now about to get absolutely fist fucked by COVIDs impact over the next 2 years guaranteed. There are 2 things McDavid will never touch in his career. The Conn Smythe and the Stanley cup. The flat cap didnt allow the cap to catch up and exceed inflation. Now McDavid who is still at top inflation, is going to have to watch Draisatil who was wellllll under inflation and his value/producition exceeding his contract, is about to ink a deal at max inflation and max term either in EDM or his ass is getting shipped because if they look down the road, that contract is going to fuck them, because then its McDavid the following season and that will be 2 players taking up 30% MINIMUM of the salary cap, not to mention Bouchard at the same time as Drai and SKinner with McDavid. Yet Bennings "mistakes" or "dumb choices" to no re-sign guys like Tanev, Marky and Toffoli have actually come through to save us. We wouldnt have the season we had last season, we wouldnt have shown the potential the 2 seasons prior. Poolman woopty fuckin doo, 2.5mil of LTIR. Rather that than Nurse at 9.25mil. Whos fuck up is going to hurt worse? that Poolman deal or the Nurse one? 2.5mil is spilled milk compared to that and MANY other deals around the league.

 

Problem is now that the Canucks are competitive Benning’s trades and bad deals are biting them in the ass Poolman included. I’d much reather have a Boqvist or Broberg than a decent depth dman that is too injured/injury prone to play, he should have never given Poolman 4 years that is a 2 year deal player at best especially with his history. 

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Problem is now that the Canucks are competitive Benning’s trades and bad deals are biting them in the ass Poolman included. I’d much reather have a Boqvist or Broberg than a decent depth dman that is too injured/injury prone to play, he should have never given Poolman 4 years that is a 2 year deal player at best especially with his history. 

 Which trades and which deals are biting us in the ass that bad?

Poolman

who else?

[canuck73_3]

14 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

 Which trades and which deals are biting us in the ass that bad?

Poolman

who else?

Rhymes with Schmekman Parsson and Pooey Meriksson 

[AK-19]

I have no interest in defending Benning but of all the moves to complain about, we're going to complain about Poolman? No GM has a crystal ball on whether a player is going to be injured to the point of LTIR in the future.

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Rhymes with Schmekman Parsson and Pooey Meriksson 

Benning didnt buy out OEL. A trigger happy Allvin and Rutherford bought him out after they signed an absoulute fucking dud in Mikheyev to waaaay too much money, then they sold low on Kuzmenko and look stupid as hell on that. Bought out OEL because he underperformed while playing with a high ankle sprain, then goes and wins a cup the following season and playing respectable minutes all situations..... 

 

Garland however has a huge impact on this roster and our ability to contend with the depth we have.

 

Loui Eriksson?? that was signed during a rebuild, hard to have the foresight to see the ship being righted almost instantly when you look at NJD 12 years and counting.. how many 1OA it too EDM, ARZ.... BUF.... the list goes on. in 5 years we were back in a playoff picture and 1 win away from the 3rd round. 

 

Signing a contract well before you are ever contending let alone competitive is ridiculous to blame anyone, especially when its only 1 year remaining for a cap dump and to acquire a legitimate top 4 dman.

 

The buyout??? fucking braindead. Either run the contract out which was only a few years OR wait one more season and let Myers walk, insert youth and avoid a buyout penalty when you have several big contract negotiations coming up. 

 

This is the time where decisions made are truly critical. The shit we had to do to ice a roster and rebuild is does not affect the true window of opportunity to win. 

 

Another Mikheyev and this window begins to shorten. 

 

Its easy to sit back and grade a guy who had to go through absolute hell to get us here and then ignore the poor choices made by new management while we are having success.

 

acquiring OEL vs Buying him out. Which has more impact on a chance to win? Dead cap space or a guy who actually contributes at both ends of the ice?

 

2021-22 OEL and Myers were a league wide top 5 shut down pair

2022-23 Boudreau and co split them up, OEL had a high ankle sprain he was playing through until he finally went down for good. 

2023-24 OEL wins a cup playing in net empty situations 2nd most on his team, 2nd most PP mins as a dman with 13 goals against all playoffs and an xGA of 11...

 

PA bought OEL out not JB. 
 

Also let’s not forget that the Sedins had a hand in both of those acquisitions. They were approached about Eriksson and they went to JB about OEL. They pushed for him and put in a good word.

so get a couple more nooses set up and hang the twins while you hang JB.

Edited July 10 by AnthonyG

[canuck73_3]

24 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Benning didnt buy out OEL. A trigger happy Allvin and Rutherford bought him out after they signed an absoulute fucking dud in Mikheyev to waaaay too much money, then they sold low on Kuzmenko and look stupid as hell on that. Bought out OEL because he underperformed while playing with a high ankle sprain, then goes and wins a cup the following season and playing respectable minutes all situations..... 

 

Garland however has a huge impact on this roster and our ability to contend with the depth we have.

 

Loui Eriksson?? that was signed during a rebuild, hard to have the foresight to see the ship being righted almost instantly when you look at NJD 12 years and counting.. how many 1OA it too EDM, ARZ.... BUF.... the list goes on. in 5 years we were back in a playoff picture and 1 win away from the 3rd round. 

 

Signing a contract well before you are ever contending let alone competitive is ridiculous to blame anyone, especially when its only 1 year remaining for a cap dump and to acquire a legitimate top 4 dman.

 

The buyout??? fucking braindead. Either run the contract out which was only a few years OR wait one more season and let Myers walk, insert youth and avoid a buyout penalty when you have several big contract negotiations coming up. 

 

This is the time where decisions made are truly critical. The shit we had to do to ice a roster and rebuild is does not affect the true window of opportunity to win. 

 

Another Mikheyev and this window begins to shorten. 

 

Its easy to sit back and grade a guy who had to go through absolute hell to get us here and then ignore the poor choices made by new management while we are having success.

 

acquiring OEL vs Buying him out. Which has more impact on a chance to win? Dead cap space or a guy who actually contributes at both ends of the ice?

 

2021-22 OEL and Myers were a league wide top 5 shut down pair

2022-23 Boudreau and co split them up, OEL had a high ankle sprain he was playing through until he finally went down for good. 

2023-24 OEL wins a cup playing in net empty situations 2nd most on his team, 2nd most PP mins as a dman with 13 goals against all playoffs and an xGA of 11...

 

PA bought OEL out not JB. 
 

Also let’s not forget that the Sedins had a hand in both of those acquisitions. They were approached about Eriksson and they went to JB about OEL. They pushed for him and put in a good word.

so get a couple more nooses set up and hang the twins while you hang JB.

Benning made the deal for him and he was not a fit on this roster. The team got better with the buyout, imagine how much better we could be with an extra $4mill this year. 

 

Even his "good year" here he was a square peg in a round hole. And I actually like OEL as a player he was just never a fit here. 

[canuck73_3]

1 hour ago, AK-19 said:

I have no interest in defending Benning but of all the moves to complain about, we're going to complain about Poolman? No GM has a crystal ball on whether a player is going to be injured to the point of LTIR in the future.

There was no reason to sign a replacement level depth Dman to 4 years. Period. 

[filthy animal]

3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Benning made the deal for him and he was not a fit on this roster. The team got better with the buyout, imagine how much better we could be with an extra $4mill this year. 

 

Even his "good year" here he was a square peg in a round hole. And I actually like OEL as a player he was just never a fit here. 

 

LOL Its AnthonyG, he's just got a boat load of excuses for his boyfriend Benning. His posts are just a workout for everybody's thumbs, just scroll past him. You'll thank me later

Edited July 10 by filthy animal

[filthy animal]

Anybody here tired of all this Benning talk from AnthonyG or is it just me? I was expecting to read about Malkin or Crosby's rumored contracts, but leave it to the Queen of the Benning fan club to ruin yet another thread

[AnthonyG]

9 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Benning made the deal for him and he was not a fit on this roster. The team got better with the buyout, imagine how much better we could be with an extra $4mill this year. 

 

Even his "good year" here he was a square peg in a round hole. And I actually like OEL as a player he was just never a fit here. 

We only got better because our star players actually showed up to play from day 1.

2021-22 Pettersson was nowhere to be seen. Boeser was struggling with his dads declining health and was clearly and 100% understandably distracted.

 

22-23 Demko was sieve and then went down to injury, Martin was the worst goalie in the entire NHL with the worst GSAA.

 

23-24 it was all cylinders firing right out of the gates. We stumbled when Pettersson slowed, but we kept going.

 

Imagine how much better we could have been last year if Mikheyev wasn’t tits on a fuckin bull. Or Kuzmenko wasn’t a disaster? 

 

[AnthonyG]

21 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Benning made the deal for him and he was not a fit on this roster. The team got better with the buyout, imagine how much better we could be with an extra $4mill this year. 

 

Even his "good year" here he was a square peg in a round hole. And I actually like OEL as a player he was just never a fit here. 

What makes you say a square peg in a round hole when his chemistry with Myers in 2021-22 made them a top 5 league wide shutdown pair?

 

So buy out OEL to clear cap space, sign Mikheyev who was supposed to be a 4+mil PKer that was like a rectangle for a triangular hole with this team. But they were okay to blow that money on him to entice Kuzmenko... 

 

2023-24 

That Garland guy that came along with that OEL guy you guys love to hate...

first 43GP up to the Kuzmenko trade...

5g 15a playing 3rd line minutes with weaker linemates vs 8g 13a Kuzmenko riding shotgun in the top 6 and PP 1 time

Mikheyev... Not even going to bother posting his embarassing 4.75mil contract

 

5.5+4.75=10.25mil of dead cap in the top 6. And you think the OEL buyout is an issue?? Come on man..... OEL was not the issue, it was an underperforming set of various star players and playing through injury. 

 

Playoffs OEL 24GP 

at 5v5

14GF

9GA

xGF 12.99

xGA 7.9

 

All situations

GF 20

GA 13

xGF 18.87

xGA 11.01

 

You mean to tell me this guy who played 16+mins a night and in big moments, having to go through Tampa Bay.... BOSTON...... THE PRESIDENTS TROPHY WINNERS NEW YORK FUCKIN RANGERS and then the scoring machines McDavid, Draisaitl and the rest of the team, was a square peg in a round hole here?? OEL had his fair share of time against Kucherov the Art Ross, McDavid, Pastrnak, Panarin, Draisaitl... Thats 5 of top 7 scorers in the entire NHL and he was on for 13 fucking goals against the entire playoffs?? and Bobrovsky didnt save his ass very much at all when you look his GA and xGA. Actually Bobrovsky allowed 3 goals that probably should have been saved....

 

Injury and underperforming star players is truly what the issue was here and coaching imo.

[canuck73_3]

20 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

What makes you say a square peg in a round hole when his chemistry with Myers in 2021-22 made them a top 5 league wide shutdown pair?

 

So buy out OEL to clear cap space, sign Mikheyev who was supposed to be a 4+mil PKer that was like a rectangle for a triangular hole with this team. But they were okay to blow that money on him to entice Kuzmenko... 

 

2023-24 

That Garland guy that came along with that OEL guy you guys love to hate...

first 43GP up to the Kuzmenko trade...

5g 15a playing 3rd line minutes with weaker linemates vs 8g 13a Kuzmenko riding shotgun in the top 6 and PP 1 time

Mikheyev... Not even going to bother posting his embarassing 4.75mil contract

 

5.5+4.75=10.25mil of dead cap in the top 6. And you think the OEL buyout is an issue?? Come on man..... OEL was not the issue, it was an underperforming set of various star players and playing through injury. 

 

Playoffs OEL 24GP 

at 5v5

14GF

9GA

xGF 12.99

xGA 7.9

 

All situations

GF 20

GA 13

xGF 18.87

xGA 11.01

 

You mean to tell me this guy who played 16+mins a night and in big moments, having to go through Tampa Bay.... BOSTON...... THE PRESIDENTS TROPHY WINNERS NEW YORK FUCKIN RANGERS and then the scoring machines McDavid, Draisaitl and the rest of the team, was a square peg in a round hole here?? OEL had his fair share of time against Kucherov the Art Ross, McDavid, Pastrnak, Panarin, Draisaitl... Thats 5 of top 7 scorers in the entire NHL and he was on for 13 fucking goals against the entire playoffs?? and Bobrovsky didnt save his ass very much at all when you look his GA and xGA. Actually Bobrovsky allowed 3 goals that probably should have been saved....

 

Injury and underperforming star players is truly what the issue was here and coaching imo.

The fact you can't even objectively address Bennings shortcomings without heaps of excuses shows we do not need to further derail this thread. I don't even hate Benning or his time here but he had his warts and guess what, I love Allvin and JR here but they have their warts too the Boudreau situation was abysmal handling at best 

Edited July 10 by canuck73_3

[AnthonyG]

50 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

The fact you can't even objectively address Bennings shortcomings without heaps of excuses shows we do not need to further derail this thread. I don't even hate Benning or his time here but he had his warts and guess what, I love Allvin and JR here but they have their warts too the Boudreau situation was abysmal handling at best 

You stated that the OEL trade hurt us today because he was bought out. 
You stated that the LE signing 7 years ago hurt us today because he was traded? In a cap dump in exchange for a legit top 4dman who was top dman on his prior team and still had age on his side along with Garland. I was just showing all the stats and listing facts that back up the fact OEL wasn’t the issue here, he was far from it. It was this current management groups decision to buy him out instead of find a way to make a trade of any sort to get him out of here if he really was that much of an anchor/issue. If anything that trade has done more to help than to hurt. The buyout did very little to help and is now doing a lot to hurt at a most critical time. Rather than having any patience and coming back with a top 4 of

Hronek+Hughes

OEL+Myers

Soucy+Cole

Juulsen

and finding out that OEL had bounced back. They chose to buy him out not explore any other options and suffer the consequences of a buyout penalty while now being considered contenders… fucking brilliant.

 

Should have moved Kuzmenko at the TDL in 2023 when we were clearly not making playoffs , another big blunder.  Instead his value tanks and they sell at rock bottom. Coulda moved Garland after 2021/22 and had Hoglander replace him or at the TDL when his value was high. Instead they held on, let his value drop the following season and he became difficult to move. Luckily for us, Garland bounced back and proved to have value and use.

 

 

 

You all act as if you all know the outcome before pen hits the paper. To call it mistakes or shortcomings. Your hindsight 20/20 vision never fails. Mistakes are ones where you should know better and see how it will go wrong. The shit you can’t see coming are things that just don’t pan out and that’s not a mistake that’s just unfortunate.

 

In the end that Myers guy you all hated, turned out to show quite a bit of value. Everyone here was praying he get re-signed because of the season/playoffs he had, but you guys were all too blind to see it all along. It was overshadowed by the learning process of young NHLers learning to become true pros and Demko beginning to make his name.

 

Walking away from Tanev, Toffoli and Markstrom were labeled as huge mistakes, yet here we are, Tanev was never healthy when it mattered most for Calgary and Dallas. He had multiple big time injuries that weighed him down, Toffoli hasn’t done shit elsewhere or made anyone a legitimate contender or gone deep other than the one run with MTL where Price carried the entire team. Then we have Markstrom who proved to be an unreliable goaltender.

 

Thank you JB for not investing ANY extra time and fucking money into those guys.

 

you all see the Beagles, Schmidt’s, Holtby’s and Roussels of the JB era as attempts to build a cup winner. I see those signings as invaluably experienced veterans with cup finals/cup/long time experience toshare and help mold the youth into eventually becoming cup winners. Rome wasn’t built in a day. JB built a core and was building a culture before he was going to try to win a cup. 
 

How’s drafting a bunch of stars and throwing them into the fire and just pushing for a cup working out for Toronto? 
Edmonton just had to learn the hard way what it takes and unfortunately for them, they’ll never get back there.

 

 

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

The fact you can't even objectively address Bennings shortcomings without heaps of excuses shows we do not need to further derail this thread. I don't even hate Benning or his time here but he had his warts and guess what, I love Allvin and JR here but they have their warts too the Boudreau situation was abysmal handling at best 

Gillis is a guy who should be torn to shreds by this fan base, he fucked this organization harder than anyone before and after him. But because of one cup final appearance and a couple PC trophies he’s worshipped. 

I refuse to judge and dissect a GM such as JB who had to deal with so much fucking shit it’s not even funny. He had to rebuild from below ground level. To even think about taking a stab at a guy who had no prospects, had to deal with Garisson and Kesler right before his first draft as GM, 5 weeks to have a perfect draft with no misses. A Booth buyout immediately, saddled with nothing but a washed up core with NMC and NTCs up and down the roster, guys like Hamhuis and Edler who refused to waive, a cap recapture penalty, twins early retirement, flattened cap, shortened season, a 1 month mid season lock down and the harshest scheduling leading up to that and then after that, star players not taking the off season seriously enough and then this toxic fan base. He’s had more short straws than any other GM so his “short comings” I can look past and at least have a realistic understanding. He left us in a state of competing for playoffs and essentially 80% his guys who are the reason we are in a conversation for contending. 

[filthy animal]

2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

The fact you can't even objectively address Bennings shortcomings without heaps of excuses shows we do not need to further derail this thread. I don't even hate Benning or his time here but he had his warts and guess what, I love Allvin and JR here but they have their warts too the Boudreau situation was abysmal handling at best 

 

People who have to resort to excuses usually don't make it far in life. Judging by the amount of time Anthony has with his essay like answers in the middle of a workday about a topic nobody really cares about BUT him, Im betting pretty good money he's unemployed

[Sativika]

Back to topic;

Sid no doubt has been, and still remains a modern premier NHL superstar. The Pens elite core of him, Malkin and Letang have been very affective for them and continued to be such. However, they're not getting' any younger. Without the proper pieces around them, I don't see another cup run happening anytime soon for them. 

 

It's my opinion that Sid should jump ship. I get he wants to be loyal to the Pens. But if he decides he wants another run at the cup, it ain't happening in Pittsburgh. I doubt Doofis Dubas will be able to build a Stanley Cup team around those guys.

 

The fans love him. I get that. Him leaving to go somewhere else won't be a traitorous move in any way. The Pen's fan base love him too much and though he may leave, he'll still get honours deserved bestowed upon him from the Pens organization. They can sign him for a one day deal so he'll officially retire a Penguin even though he moved to play somewhere else for a time.

 

 

[Provost]

This is totally classic…

 

it is silly to be mentioning mistakes (that are still impacting the team) from a GM who left 2.5 years ago… instead we should really be dwelling on mistakes from a GM who left more than 10 years ago and the players and contracts from his era are retired and long gone.

 

 

On 7/9/2024 at 8:36 AM, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Seems as silly to dwell too long on the many Jim Benning errors

 

On 7/9/2024 at 11:59 AM, AnthonyG said:

It really is silly, especially shit that happened almost 10 years ago.

I can also say Canucks are also far better THANKS to Jim Benning.

 

6 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Gillis is a guy who should be torn to shreds by this fan base, he fucked this organization harder than anyone before and after him.

 

[Provost]

3 hours ago, Sativika said:

Back to topic;

Sid no doubt has been, and still remains a modern premier NHL superstar. The Pens elite core of him, Malkin and Letang have been very affective for them and continued to be such. However, they're not getting' any younger. Without the proper pieces around them, I don't see another cup run happening anytime soon for them. 

 

It's my opinion that Sid should jump ship. I get he wants to be loyal to the Pens. But if he decides he wants another run at the cup, it ain't happening in Pittsburgh. I doubt Doofis Dubas will be able to build a Stanley Cup team around those guys.

 

The fans love him. I get that. Him leaving to go somewhere else won't be a traitorous move in any way. The Pen's fan base love him too much and though he may leave, he'll still get honours deserved bestowed upon him from the Pens organization. They can sign him for a one day deal so he'll officially retire a Penguin even though he moved to play somewhere else for a time.

 

 

 

This really seems like the best bet for everyone.  Picture them missing the playoffs and stumbling next season (which seems likely), then having the decision whether to extend a guy at big dollars into his 40’s.

 

I can imagine him being traded once the picture is clear in the season.  The team needs some assets, and some contenders would be happy to pay a big haul for him at 50% even as a rental to help a long playoff run.

 

Like you said, no matter what happens he will retire as a Penguin even if it is a one day contract.

Edited July 11 by Provost

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Kind of crazy that we lived in a world where Jeff Skinner has a higher Cap Hit than Crosby