Alflives Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: I think there's huge value in discussions around both. Dunno, my daughter has been out of school for a while now. Don’t know either. Guessing if one book is being shelved then it’s likely others are too. Sad really. The classics have important value and should be still read by our kids. Add the new ones too. But don’t limit what the kids study. Really don’t want our kids programmed to only see the world from a narrow lens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 8 minutes ago, Bob Long said: But that's not what's behind this. What's behind this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: But that's not what's behind this. Results vs. Reasoning. Outcome is almost objectively great. The explanation was just piss-poor. "We think the new books are better." That's really all they had to say. 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Don’t know either. Guessing if one book is being shelved then it’s likely others are too. Sad really. The classics have important value and should be still read by our kids. Add the new ones too. But don’t limit what the kids study. Really don’t want our kids programmed to only see the world from a narrow lens. Mockingbird was a fine book, but it does have some noticeable flaws. It's a novel about racism that almost exclusively features white people. It's a clichéd book written during the Jim Crow Era about a Jim Crow society... from the perspective of a white family. Tom Robinson is such a minor character in that book - much better to read a book that actually centers around a figure like Robinson. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: Results vs. Reasoning. Outcome is almost objectively great. The explanation was just piss-poor. "We think the new books are better." That's really all they had to say. Mockingbird was a fine book, but it does have some noticeable flaws. It's a novel about racism that almost exclusively features white people. It's a clichéd book written during the Jim Crow Era about a Jim Crow society... from the perspective of a white family. Tom Robinson is such a minor character in that book - much better to read a book that actually centers around a figure like Robinson. Like I suggest before. Don’t mind new books. But don’t limit our kids’ reading to only one point of view and from one era. Keep the classics too. I remember reading the Alkegory of the Cave in school. Very cool stuff. Hopefully our kids get to explore and learn about these classics still. Nothing wrong (IMHAO) with kids reading a variety. Old and new. Bad and good. The world is diverse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I'd rather kids be reading Dante or smth. Teach them what real literature is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Like I suggest before. Don’t mind new books. But don’t limit our kids’ reading to only one point of view and from one era. Keep the classics too. I remember reading the Alkegory of the Cave in school. Very cool stuff. Hopefully our kids get to explore and learn about these classics still. Nothing wrong (IMHAO) with kids reading a variety. Old and new. Bad and good. The world is diverse. There are far better books that do a better job of presenting the injustice behind institutional racism. That's what's at play here. You can't be arguing for the classics when you've never even heard of the new books replacing it. You also can't make them read both - there's no time in a classroom setting to read that many novels. Did your curriculum have something like Ivanhoe by Walter Scott? I don't think so. But maybe your parents read it. BC changed their curriculum even when you were growing up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 8 minutes ago, 112 said: I'd rather kids be reading Dante or smth. Teach them what real literature is about. Toni Morrison isn't real literature to you? That's some kinda take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/21/2024 at 4:19 PM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/02/21/bc-land-act-changes-feedback/ On 2/21/2024 at 4:49 PM, Bob Long said: thats a relief. It was looking to me like another Victoria museum debacle but on a provincial scale. On 2/21/2024 at 5:07 PM, King Heffy said: I definitely appreciate this government's ability to listen to feedback and change course when necessary. On 2/21/2024 at 5:18 PM, Bob Long said: Yep in this case for sure. I do think that this was bubbling up as a major election issue which I suspect a big part of the walk back. Might be too late in some rural areas tho The only reason they walked this back is because it's an election year. If they win the coming election it will be back. I've never been very impressed with any iteration of BC's government (in my adult life anyways), but as someone who lives in rural BC the NDP getting another term terrifies me... for stuff like this specifically. Two years ago the NDP basically shut my entire region out of moose hunting - something the indigenous population actually spoke against - despite the fact that over 90% of the feedback was against this move (I talked to the bureaucrat who was overseeing the feedback) . They don't listen to people in Rural communities and it's incredibly frustrating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, Dizzle said: The only reason they walked this back is because it's an election year. If they win the coming election it will be back. I've never been very impressed with any iteration of BC's government (in my adult life anyways), but as someone who lives in rural BC the NDP getting another term terrifies me... for stuff like this specifically. Two years ago the NDP basically shut my entire region out of moose hunting - something the indigenous population actually spoke against - despite the fact that over 90% of the feedback was against this move (I talked to the bureaucrat who was overseeing the feedback) . They don't listen to people in Rural communities and it's incredibly frustrating. I think the BC conservatives are going to do quite well in rural areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Satchmo said: What's behind this? From the news, sounds like fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: From the news, sounds like fear There is an odd mention of fear in the article I posted but if I was to try to label it I might use 'overzealous'. And mostly harmless. Anyway, this is not likely worth the time we've put into it. Let's disagree to agree on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Satchmo said: There is an odd mention of fear in the article I posted but if I was to try to label it I might use 'overzealous'. And mostly harmless. Anyway, this is not likely worth the time we've put into it. Let's disagree to agree on this one. I just see a lost learning opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johngould21 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I think the BC conservatives are going to do quite well in rural areas Not if their fearless leader comes up with zingers like he did addressing the school shortages in Surrey. He's as laughable as Falcon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I've been impressed with BC NDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Johngould21 said: Not if their fearless leader comes up with zingers like he did addressing the school shortages in Surrey. He's as laughable as Falcon. I think a lot of people don't care about zingers, they do care about land use issues tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: I've been impressed with BC NDP. What in particular? I'm not being snarky, genuinely curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: What in particular? I'm not being snarky, genuinely curious. They seem serious when looking at housing and development, plus trades schooling investments. My nephew works for a big developer and they claim the NDP has been the best to work with. Edited March 3 by bishopshodan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, bishopshodan said: They seem serious when looking at housing and development, plus trades schooling investments. My nephew works for a big developer and they claim the NDP has been the best to work with. yea the new 2 billion pumped into housing by the feds should go a long way into that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: yea the new 2 billion pumped into housing by the feds should go a long way into that Yup..BC Build. I liked that they did the rezoning thingy too..is that Bill44? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Bob Long said: What in particular? I'm not being snarky, genuinely curious. Undoing the outsourcing in hospitals, giving the pay increase for family doctors, crackdown on AirBNB and forcing municipalities to fix zoning to allow more densitiy are all winners for me. Edited March 3 by King Heffy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 41 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Yup..BC Build. I liked that they did the rezoning thingy too..is that Bill44? not sure, I do give Sim more credit for that (he did light that fire as part of his platform). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 30 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Undoing the outsourcing in hospitals, giving the pay increase for family doctors, crackdown on AirBNB and forcing municipalities to fix zoning to allow more densitiy are all winners for me. there's a lot of structural problems in healthcare tho, that they haven't done much about in the hospital system and how our HA's are organized. Its still a lot of pigs at the admin trough. Vancouver only had a good zoning plan once they bounced that clown Kennedy Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, Bob Long said: there's a lot of structural problems in healthcare tho, that they haven't done much about in the hospital system and how our HA's are organized. Its still a lot of pigs at the admin trough. Vancouver only had a good zoning plan once they bounced that clown Kennedy Stewart. May not be perfect but the other parties seem determined to destroy healthcare in BC every time they get in office with privatization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, King Heffy said: May not be perfect but the other parties seem determined to destroy healthcare in BC every time they get in office with privatization. I think its fair to be critical of the NDP on their own merit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Bob Long said: I think its fair to be critical of the NDP on their own merit though. I'm not particularly happy about the lack of action against the money laundering in casinos, but overall they haven't done anything that I take issue with. I'd rather be angry about good things a government hasn't done instead of bad things a government did do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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