B.C. Politics Thread

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Breadnbutta said:

there's a reason why outside of the mainland the rest of the province is conservative blue.

 

 

Just to clarify, Conservative blue, or Libservative purple with majorities for over a decade 

 

Yet were completely neglected and ignored for that entire decade unless it was to blame someone else for neglecting mining, LNG and forestry.  ironically, under the Libs federally and NDP provincially, more help, more programs and more projects have been completed or started in the last 6 years than the last 2 decades but ok.

 

 

1 hour ago, Breadnbutta said:

Other reasons.

 

Back in 2009 David Eby said " if someone wants to spend their welfare cheque on crack that's their right"

That is their right.  You want to control how people spend money now?  Think VERY hard about that.  before you say "my tax dollars" it's actually OUR tax dollars, and the amount that goes to people in need is still far less than is given to the wealthy in terms of tax breaks and in terms of corporate subsidies.

 

So again, what are you really upset about?

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Breadnbutta said:

at least you can afford to live there.... the wages are equal to if not better... dollar goes wayyyyy further.

 

BC Conservatives coupled with a Pierre Poilievre majority in Ottawa will put Canada back on track.

 

It will take some time though, this province and country is in a sad state.

 

Now flame away Lib Mob

Conservatives were in power from about 2003 to 2015 federally.  BC Liberal/Cons were in power from 2002 through about 2017 ish.  

 

Tell me the major things they did for anywhere in the province outside of the lower mainland or island.  No no really let me know.

 

Then tell me how "they will put Canada back on track" because so far all I keep hearing is how broken it is with no plan to fix it

 

1 hour ago, Breadnbutta said:

The government can't control what people do in their spare time. They want to waste away doing drugs that's their prerogative. 

 

So the government CAN'T control what people do or how they spend their money?

 

So Eby was right in 2009.  K good talk.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b-c-conservatives-release-education-policy-plans-ahead-of-election-day/ar-AA1sczfZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=67551a66276645b1abd0c79feae5f944&ei=27

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VANCOUVER — The B.C. Conservatives have unveiled their education policy plans about six days before the Oct. 19 voting day.

The plan includes reinstating provincial exams for Grade 10 and 12 students, restoring letter grades from Grade 4 to 9, and ending SOGI 123.

The provincial government website says B.C.'s SOGI program was introduced to help make schools inclusive and safe for all students and includes teaching them about sexual orientation and gender identity.

In a news release, B.C. Conservative Leader John Rustad criticizes the NDP for "undermining the accountability in B.C.’s education system" and "introducing ideological programs into classrooms that distract from core learning and erode parental trust."

The conservatives say, if elected, they also intend to restore school liaison officer programs, offer funding to parents of children with autism and offer tax credits or direct payments for parents who homeschool their children.

The news release appeared to have been removed from the B.C. Conservatives' website shortly after it was issued, but the party said it was due to a "copy edit issue" and that it would be republished once fixed.

Their education plans did not include any details of cost, but Rustad said Saturday that he will release his party's costed election platform on Tuesday.

The NDP responded in a news release Sunday saying it is concerned Rustad's education plans would lead to increased class sizes.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 13, 2024.

 

Ending SOGI 123 hmm...

 

 

Why do Conservatives want to worsen our children's mental health and increase bullying?

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b-c-conservatives-release-education-policy-plans-ahead-of-election-day/ar-AA1sczfZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=67551a66276645b1abd0c79feae5f944&ei=27

"

VANCOUVER — The B.C. Conservatives have unveiled their education policy plans about six days before the Oct. 19 voting day.

The plan includes reinstating provincial exams for Grade 10 and 12 students, restoring letter grades from Grade 4 to 9, and ending SOGI 123.

The provincial government website says B.C.'s SOGI program was introduced to help make schools inclusive and safe for all students and includes teaching them about sexual orientation and gender identity.

In a news release, B.C. Conservative Leader John Rustad criticizes the NDP for "undermining the accountability in B.C.’s education system" and "introducing ideological programs into classrooms that distract from core learning and erode parental trust."

The conservatives say, if elected, they also intend to restore school liaison officer programs, offer funding to parents of children with autism and offer tax credits or direct payments for parents who homeschool their children.

The news release appeared to have been removed from the B.C. Conservatives' website shortly after it was issued, but the party said it was due to a "copy edit issue" and that it would be republished once fixed.

Their education plans did not include any details of cost, but Rustad said Saturday that he will release his party's costed election platform on Tuesday.

The NDP responded in a news release Sunday saying it is concerned Rustad's education plans would lead to increased class sizes.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 13, 2024.

They STILL have not posted a fully costed plan or policy....the frigging election is in less than a week

 

That's suspect as hell.  What are they hiding that they won't do this or go to debates to a person?

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Breadnbutta said:

This isn't my first account heff I don't think too highly of you either.

 

I remember your thoughts on JR and Ian Cole 

 

If anyone is quick to judge anyone it's you.

Absolutely get NO argument here mate.  You're not wrong.

[Warhippy]

I just have to say this.  I try so gd hard to be a middle of the road guy.

 

I post endlessly against the Conservatives in our country right now.  Why?

 

Because in what world are Rustad in BC, Smith in Alberta and Pierre in Ottawa conservative?  

 

They aren't.  They are SOCIAL Conservatives.  

 

They are everything wrong with the brand.

 

Why do we have governments entertaining chem trail nonsense?  Why do we have politicians leading parties meeting with over a half dozen or more individuals all tied to organizations with white nationalist tendencies yet somehow has no idea who any of them are while endlessly claiming the nation is foooked and only he can fix it while being a politician for over 20 years with a voting record that shows zero actual successes?  Why do we have a provincial leadership hopeful who has instructed his entire party to a person to not engage in debates, and has not actually released a costed platform with less than a week before an election?

 

The only thing these groups have in common is that they are pissed off and angry and keep blaming everyone else with zero actual answers to the who, the how or they why.

 

I am middle of the road but I also can not accept that this is what has happened to the Conservative brand in our nation.  We desperately need a counter like the NDP is to the LIbs federally that is a centre right option for the Conservatives because they need to be brought back to the middle.

 

Anyone who keeps saying that the Cons will bring Canada back needs to finally answer where BC went or where Canada went because the way I see it it seems kind of ok and it's only their lifestyles that seem to be the issues.  Which again, much like the leaders of the parties I speak of is someone else's fault and never their own making.

[Gurn]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

They STILL have not posted a fully costed plan or policy....the frigging election is in less than a week

 

That's suspect as hell.  What are they hiding that they won't do this or go to debates to a person?

They have nothing to offer.

Fringe party, that somehow merged with an almost fringe party; now thinks it's a contender.

However, they haven't put in the hours of training and road work.

No stamina, no plan, no strategy.

They are just hoping they can stand in the middle of the ring, pointing their fingers.

 

Sad part is, after they lose, the rest of us will be sickened by the amount of "Stolen election" bullshit they'll spew.

And the media will post all of that crap, because some how it sells clicks, and ad revenue.

[King Heffy]

Just now, Gurn said:

They have nothing to offer.

Fringe party, that somehow merged with an almost fringe party; now thinks it's a contender.

However, they haven't put in the hours of training and road work.

No stamina, no plan, no strategy.

They are just hoping they can stand in the middle of the ring, pointing their fingers.

 

Sad part is, after they lose, the rest of us will be sickened by the amount of "Stolen election" bullshit they'll spew.

And the media will post all of that crap, because some how it sells clicks, and ad revenue.

Hopefully these morons realize that they're not welcome in this province and go to Alberta or somewhere that their bigotry is tolerated.

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I just have to say this.  I try so gd hard to be a middle of the road guy.

 

I post endlessly against the Conservatives in our country right now.  Why?

 

Because in what world are Rustad in BC, Smith in Alberta and Pierre in Ottawa conservative?  

 

They aren't.  They are SOCIAL Conservatives.  

 

They are everything wrong with the brand.

 

Why do we have governments entertaining chem trail nonsense?  Why do we have politicians leading parties meeting with over a half dozen or more individuals all tied to organizations with white nationalist tendencies yet somehow has no idea who any of them are while endlessly claiming the nation is foooked and only he can fix it while being a politician for over 20 years with a voting record that shows zero actual successes?  Why do we have a provincial leadership hopeful who has instructed his entire party to a person to not engage in debates, and has not actually released a costed platform with less than a week before an election?

 

The only thing these groups have in common is that they are pissed off and angry and keep blaming everyone else with zero actual answers to the who, the how or they why.

 

I am middle of the road but I also can not accept that this is what has happened to the Conservative brand in our nation.  We desperately need a counter like the NDP is to the LIbs federally that is a centre right option for the Conservatives because they need to be brought back to the middle.

 

Anyone who keeps saying that the Cons will bring Canada back needs to finally answer where BC went or where Canada went because the way I see it it seems kind of ok and it's only their lifestyles that seem to be the issues.  Which again, much like the leaders of the parties I speak of is someone else's fault and never their own making.

 

The "why" is easy, they aren't held to deliver on a real promise or issue.

 

[Boudrias]

What do we know about the BC NDP:

- we know they cannot control drugs as users come out onto the streets

- we know they have turned crime into a catch and release program

- we know they cannot balance a budget as their deficit hits $9 billion

- we know they have had BC's credit rating reduced 2X 

- we know they are anti semitic as they turfed Selena Robinson from their caucus

- we know that access to government funding is controlled by a NDP consulting firm

 

Just a few 'we knows'...

 

Yet we are to believe it is John Rustad who has the secret agendas and is basically an evil man. I don't think so.

[Satchmo]

9 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

What do we know about the BC NDP:

- we know they cannot control drugs as users come out onto the streets

- we know they have turned crime into a catch and release program

- we know they cannot balance a budget as their deficit hits $9 billion

- we know they have had BC's credit rating reduced 2X 

- we know they are anti semitic as they turfed Selena Robinson from their caucus

- we know that access to government funding is controlled by a NDP consulting firm

 

Just a few 'we knows'...

 

Yet we are to believe it is John Rustad who has the secret agendas and is basically an evil man. I don't think so.

Rustad's agenda would not be secret if he would just tell us what it is.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

What do we know about the BC NDP:

- we know they cannot control drugs as users come out onto the streets

- we know they have turned crime into a catch and release program

- we know they cannot balance a budget as their deficit hits $9 billion

- we know they have had BC's credit rating reduced 2X 

- we know they are anti semitic as they turfed Selena Robinson from their caucus

- we know that access to government funding is controlled by a NDP consulting firm

 

Just a few 'we knows'...

 

Yet we are to believe it is John Rustad who has the secret agendas and is basically an evil man. I don't think so.

I'll address this point by point

 

The war on drugs has been a losing cost since the 1940s.  Globally.  Blaming the NDP is a bit of a reach.

 

Crime is not a catch and release program as Judges set the terms and conditions of punishments and the NDP has no control over that.

 

Yes they are spending that isn't an argument you will get from me.  But they are also set to increase the GDP as well as revenue in the next 4-6 years as more projects get completed.  See the pipeline expansion and what it has done for BCs gdp and then look at the estimates for the first LNG addition.

 

The downgrade was done twice yes...in the same week.  but still rates or rated higher than Albertas who was downgraded twice as well and only recently was upgraded again as oil prices increased.  Putting stock in to that is a bit much.  While i again have concerns about the spending BC still has one of the highest credit ratings of all provinces while having the 3rd highest population (was Canada's ONLY AAA rated province and still rates higher than Alberta)

https://economics.bmo.com/en/publications/detail/777dc597-364c-439e-a7d9-9e37cdf550f5/

 

They turfed a person from their caucus and that makes them anti-semitic?  So what about the racist misogynistic homophobic anti semitic intolerant sexist statements from literally over a dozen Conservative candidates and even some from leader Rustad himself?  Are we picking and choosing here Bouds?

 

No argument here.  Eby is doing the exact same thing that the BC Libs did, the Alberta Cons, the Sask party and more.  Government "Consultants" are gd leeches on society and do nothing good for anyone.

 

John is not an evil man.  But he accepts a specific level of evil in his presence because it might bring him power and while he may not have a secret agenda the agenda he has with the plans he has stated he may enact will do absolutely NOTHING good for BC.  

 

If you can show me something he has said or in his platform that is costed in and will benefit everyone by all means please show me or else I am sorry man, Rustad is absolutely the greater evil right now and we can not sit and say spending is bad so we must do something different when the different doesn't have a costed plan of any sort to base that off of.

[Bob Long]

15 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

What do we know about the BC NDP:

- we know they cannot control drugs as users come out onto the streets

- we know they have turned crime into a catch and release program

- we know they cannot balance a budget as their deficit hits $9 billion

- we know they have had BC's credit rating reduced 2X 

- we know they are anti semitic as they turfed Selena Robinson from their caucus

- we know that access to government funding is controlled by a NDP consulting firm

 

Just a few 'we knows'...

 

Yet we are to believe it is John Rustad who has the secret agendas and is basically an evil man. I don't think so.

 

I share many of these concerns, but Rustad has no plan and we know what he supports on the social side, no secret needed.

 

I agree we need more fiscal control, but Rustad isnt that guy. Maybe whoever takes over from him will be.

 

We are being asked to trust him. I find him very untrustworthy, not sure what else to say really.

[King Heffy]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

I share many of these concerns, but Rustad has no plan and we know what he supports on the social side, no secret needed.

 

I agree we need more fiscal control, but Rustad isnt that guy. Maybe whoever takes over from him will be.

 

We are being asked to trust him. I find him very untrustworthy, not sure what else to say really.

He's really shown zero sign that he or anyone else in his party can even act like a civilized human.  The parts of his platform that he's released are going to actively harm the province.  Rustad is one of the most evil pieces of shit the country has ever seen and has absolutely nothing of any value to offer the world.

[Wilbur]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b-c-conservatives-release-education-policy-plans-ahead-of-election-day/ar-AA1sczfZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=67551a66276645b1abd0c79feae5f944&ei=27

"

VANCOUVER — The B.C. Conservatives have unveiled their education policy plans about six days before the Oct. 19 voting day.

The plan includes reinstating provincial exams for Grade 10 and 12 students, restoring letter grades from Grade 4 to 9, and ending SOGI 123.

The provincial government website says B.C.'s SOGI program was introduced to help make schools inclusive and safe for all students and includes teaching them about sexual orientation and gender identity.

In a news release, B.C. Conservative Leader John Rustad criticizes the NDP for "undermining the accountability in B.C.’s education system" and "introducing ideological programs into classrooms that distract from core learning and erode parental trust."

The conservatives say, if elected, they also intend to restore school liaison officer programs, offer funding to parents of children with autism and offer tax credits or direct payments for parents who homeschool their children.

The news release appeared to have been removed from the B.C. Conservatives' website shortly after it was issued, but the party said it was due to a "copy edit issue" and that it would be republished once fixed.

Their education plans did not include any details of cost, but Rustad said Saturday that he will release his party's costed election platform on Tuesday.

The NDP responded in a news release Sunday saying it is concerned Rustad's education plans would lead to increased class sizes.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 13, 2024.

These moves would reset the clock to 2004.  To me, it would be a slap in the face as it would be basically saying the bulk of my teaching career, so far, would've been a complete waste as we'd go back to teaching to the test, which means teaching from the text book, wrote memorization over curiousity and flexibility.  Fun times 

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

He's really shown zero sign that he or anyone else in his party can even act like a civilized human.  The parts of his platform that he's released are going to actively harm the province.  Rustad is one of the most evil pieces of shit the country has ever seen and has absolutely nothing of any value to offer the world.

 

Lying about an overdose victim was enough to convince me.

[-dlc-]

23 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

What do we know about the BC NDP:

- we know they cannot control drugs as users come out onto the streets

- we know they have turned crime into a catch and release program

- we know they cannot balance a budget as their deficit hits $9 billion

- we know they have had BC's credit rating reduced 2X 

- we know they are anti semitic as they turfed Selena Robinson from their caucus

- we know that access to government funding is controlled by a NDP consulting firm

 

Just a few 'we knows'...

 

Yet we are to believe it is John Rustad who has the secret agendas and is basically an evil man. I don't think so.

You have to go back to see the roots of many of our problems.

 

It's not just something that's developed in the recent past....this has been a slow deterioration over time. Especially in relation to the first two points.

 

Fentanyl tied to money laundering tied to casinos and real estate, the education system (that no longer accepts large cash payments for tuition as a result). Blind eyes that allowed this stuff to happen because those in power were part of the problem, not the solution. Rubbing shoulders with criminals.

 

There is not one party to blame here. It's just that some are expected to fix messes that were left unattended to.

[UnkNuk]

13 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

These moves would reset the clock to 2004.  To me, it would be a slap in the face as it would be basically saying the bulk of my teaching career, so far, would've been a complete waste as we'd go back to teaching to the test, which means teaching from the text book, wrote memorization over curiousity and flexibility.  Fun times 

 

Maybe you can clear something up for me since I'm not very familiar with our school system.

 

If schools aren't using letter grades any more, what are they using?  How are schools ensuring that the kids are actually learning whatever they're being taught?

 

 

[Alflives]

9 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

 

Maybe you can clear something up for me since I'm not very familiar with our school system.

 

If schools aren't using letter grades any more, what are they using?  How are schools ensuring that the kids are actually learning whatever they're being taught?

 

 

Maybe we are using straight percentages? That’s more accurate than letter grades. 

[King Heffy]

27 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

These moves would reset the clock to 2004.  To me, it would be a slap in the face as it would be basically saying the bulk of my teaching career, so far, would've been a complete waste as we'd go back to teaching to the test, which means teaching from the text book, wrote memorization over curiousity and flexibility.  Fun times 

What we're seeing in this thread is some people willing to destroy our education, housing, and healthcare all to inflict their barbaric beliefs on the rest of the province.  

[NewbieCanuckFan]

11 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

 

Maybe you can clear something up for me since I'm not very familiar with our school system.

 

If schools aren't using letter grades any more, what are they using?  How are schools ensuring that the kids are actually learning whatever they're being taught?

 

 

I went to elementary school in the 70s (just after corporate punishment was outlawed) & it seemed so as long as you had a pulse (with rare exceptions) you got promoted to the next grade after the end of the school year. 

[King Heffy]

Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I went to elementary school in the 70s (just after corporate punishment was outlawed) & it seemed so as long as you had a pulse (with rare exceptions) you got promoted to the next grade after the end of the school year. 

Rustad should be grateful for that; it's the only way an idiot like him would have graduated.

[4petesake]

15 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

 

Maybe you can clear something up for me since I'm not very familiar with our school system.

 

If schools aren't using letter grades any more, what are they using?  How are schools ensuring that the kids are actually learning whatever they're being taught?

 

 

 

My understanding is that K-9 now uses a proficiency scale but grades 10-12 still use letter grades. This explains the rationale behind the proficiency scale idea.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-schools-move-away-from-letter-grades-1.6887316

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Rustad should be grateful for that; it's the only way an idiot like him would have graduated.

He's a coward.  I actually have more respect for Mark Donnelly (don't agree with his views) who stood for his beliefs at the cost of his job with the Canucks.  Rustad wanted that easy government paycheck & swallowed his pride & took a shot he didn't believe in.

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

He's a coward.  I actually have more respect for Mark Donnelly (don't agree with his views) who stood for his beliefs at the cost of his job with the Canucks.  Rustad wanted that easy government paycheck & swallowed his pride & took a shot he didn't believe in.

The sad thing is that the shot seems to have worked for Rustad and he's still wasting oxygen.